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Marius25

(3,213 posts)
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:16 PM May 2022

Are Americans going to tolerate living under Fascism?

I'm having a hard time trying to comprehend what's about to happen. Will 70% of Americans tolerate Republicans turning us into the Republic of Gilead or Nazi Germany?

It feels like Civil War is inevitable to me. I honestly think we need to reform as separate countries, but I know that's not a popular opinion.

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Are Americans going to tolerate living under Fascism? (Original Post) Marius25 May 2022 OP
Yep. Apparently, many people actively want it. BlueTsunami2018 May 2022 #1
Yes. Continue to slave away and make the billionaires money and they'll throw us some crumbs every gldstwmn May 2022 #7
Yes, as long as it's soft Fascism maxsolomon May 2022 #2
Maybe. There are those that haven't a clue what fascism is and those that don't pay attention. chowder66 May 2022 #3
Many have been turned to think the opposite of fascism is fascism underpants May 2022 #8
I've had coworkers in the past asking me what fascism means, when Carlitos Brigante May 2022 #11
Those millions of republicans want an authoritarian gov't but they mistakenly think they will be the keithbvadu2 May 2022 #14
Oligarchs pay no taxes; politicians get total permanent power; the people Irish_Dem May 2022 #4
That is the math Cosmocat May 2022 #15
If their personal wants/needs are satisfied Americans will tolerate anything. BannonsLiver May 2022 #5
THIS. That explanation fits a tremendous number of our NoMoreRepugs May 2022 #19
That's true FoxNewsSucks May 2022 #20
Bread and circuses BadgerKid May 2022 #23
Well if things really turn bad... LiberatedUSA May 2022 #6
There are more of us who pay attention and will fight it... brush May 2022 #9
True, but... Marius25 May 2022 #18
The fix is in. FoxNewsSucks May 2022 #21
Have you met them?...... Or I should say, us. nt Carlitos Brigante May 2022 #10
We Didn't in 2020.. Hopefully We'll Cha May 2022 #12
For black and brown people this has always been a fascist country SoonerPride May 2022 #13
We're all "tolerating" it right now. live love laugh May 2022 #16
Call it something else, and the GOPers certainly will Hekate May 2022 #17
The actual phrase is most likely an internet distillation of several other quotes. cayugafalls May 2022 #22
Thanks for that quote, which I hadn't seen before. As far as the one-liner -- it came to me as a kid Hekate May 2022 #26
Over my dead body vercetti2021 May 2022 #24
Friendly Fascism: The New Face of Power in America is a book written by Bertram Gross...in 1980 ZonkerHarris May 2022 #25
If the gas is low and the stock market is up, then yes Polybius May 2022 #27

BlueTsunami2018

(3,491 posts)
1. Yep. Apparently, many people actively want it.
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:18 PM
May 2022

Right up until it gets used against them. And then it’s already too late.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
7. Yes. Continue to slave away and make the billionaires money and they'll throw us some crumbs every
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:40 PM
May 2022

once in a while. Fascism is such a big picture concept that I don't know that some fully get it or are just too damn tired from working to be concerned with it. And now organized religion is in on it. People think social media is some sort of encyclopedia. That's Putin's doing. At least we are seeing the beginning of the end of hm I hope.

maxsolomon

(33,327 posts)
2. Yes, as long as it's soft Fascism
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:23 PM
May 2022

Mainly we just have to make sure those uppity woke Libs and Blacks and Gays know their place.

chowder66

(9,067 posts)
3. Maybe. There are those that haven't a clue what fascism is and those that don't pay attention.
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:29 PM
May 2022

Then there are those who actually want it because they think it will benefit them....they shouldn't count on that because the people at the top will devour those trying to get to the top or are also at the top.

Carlitos Brigante

(26,500 posts)
11. I've had coworkers in the past asking me what fascism means, when
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:49 PM
May 2022

I'd use the term. We're talking about college graduates in their 20s and 30s.

keithbvadu2

(36,788 posts)
14. Those millions of republicans want an authoritarian gov't but they mistakenly think they will be the
Mon May 9, 2022, 10:41 PM
May 2022

Those millions of republicans want an authoritarian gov't but they mistakenly think they will be the few thousand elites actually in charge.

Those millions are useful tools for those who will actually be in charge.

One poster called it a 'new social feudalism age'.

Irish_Dem

(47,026 posts)
4. Oligarchs pay no taxes; politicians get total permanent power; the people
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:32 PM
May 2022

get white christian rule.

Winning combination for them.

The rest of us are screwed.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
20. That's true
Tue May 10, 2022, 12:14 AM
May 2022

As long as the MAGAts can get a 55" big screen for less than $200 at Walmart, they don't give a rat's ass about anything else.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
6. Well if things really turn bad...
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:33 PM
May 2022

…us atheists will have to pretend to believe in God in order to get by.

brush

(53,776 posts)
9. There are more of us who pay attention and will fight it...
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:44 PM
May 2022

then the extreme rightist who want it. It's not written in stone that they will win. trump was supposed win and didn't and his coup attempt didn't work either.

Revelations are coming out daily of repug complicity all thru that admin.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
18. True, but...
Tue May 10, 2022, 12:03 AM
May 2022


None of those repugs are being held accountable. Not a single one of Trump's team has been arrested. Navarro still hasn't been charged. Meadows still not charged. No Republicans in Congress charged.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
13. For black and brown people this has always been a fascist country
Mon May 9, 2022, 10:00 PM
May 2022

Stop and frisk.
Watch all interactions with police.

Followed in stores

This is a fascist country for black and brown people already.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
17. Call it something else, and the GOPers certainly will
Mon May 9, 2022, 11:50 PM
May 2022

“When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”

Apparently the saying is of uncertain origin (i.e. not Sinclair Lewis after all) but it endures because it is so true.

cayugafalls

(5,640 posts)
22. The actual phrase is most likely an internet distillation of several other quotes.
Tue May 10, 2022, 12:26 AM
May 2022

There are some famous quotes that allude to a similar sentiment, as you stated it is not Sinclair Lewis (a book I own and have read).

The most relevant and truthful quote is in John Thomas Flynn’s As We Go Marching, published in 1944.

But when fascism comes it will not be in the form of an anti-American movement or pro-Hitler bund, practicing disloyalty. Nor will it come in the form of a crusade against war. It will appear rather in the luminous robes of flaming patriotism; it will take some genuinely indigenous shape and color, and it will spread only because its leaders, who are not yet visible, will know how to locate the great springs of public opinion and desire and the streams of thought that flow from them and will know how to attract to their banners leaders who can command the support of the controlling minorities in American public life. The danger lies not so much in the would-be Fuhrers who may arise, but in the presence in our midst of certainly deeply running currents of hope and appetite and opinion. The war upon fascism must be begun there.


This paragraph by Flynn is extremely unsettling in it's accuracy.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
26. Thanks for that quote, which I hadn't seen before. As far as the one-liner -- it came to me as a kid
Tue May 10, 2022, 01:20 AM
May 2022

…before even DARPA was born, much less the Internet. It was something my dear old mother said more than once to me. She was also of the opinion that we wouldn’t lose our country to an invasion, but that we would vote the enemy in.

RIP, Mom. I’m glad you didn’t have to live to see Trump.

ZonkerHarris

(24,223 posts)
25. Friendly Fascism: The New Face of Power in America is a book written by Bertram Gross...in 1980
Tue May 10, 2022, 12:51 AM
May 2022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_Fascism_(book)

The book examines the history of fascism and, based on the growth of big business and big government, describes possible political scenarios for a future United States.[1][2][3] According to a 1981 review in the journal Crime and Social Justice, the book is described as "timely" on a subject requiring serious consideration and is about the dangers of fascism, focusing primarily on the United States, but being aware that monopoly capitalism needs to be understood internationally since capitalism "is not a national mode of production".[4]

In 2016, the book prompted the following response right after Donald Trump was elected President of the United States: "The next wave of fascists will not come with cattle cars and concentration camps, but they'll come with a smiley face and maybe a TV show. [...] That's how the 21st-century fascists will essentially take over".[5]

Polybius

(15,398 posts)
27. If the gas is low and the stock market is up, then yes
Tue May 10, 2022, 02:20 AM
May 2022

I know three Romney Republicans who hated the Tweets, racism, and personality of Trump. Two didn't vote, one voted for Biden. All three said they will regret it, because of finances and Biden ending the remain in Mexico policy which has remained since Covid.

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