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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWould not banning abortions be a religious belief?
And therefore violates the 1st Amendment?
Skittles
(153,204 posts)but, they do not care - they want to foist their delusions on EVERYONE
FBaggins
(26,770 posts)Nor does 1A say that people cant be motivated by their religious beliefs.
tableturner
(1,684 posts)Making one religion's views on abortion the law of the land, while dismissing the views of other religions, is an abridgement of separation of church and state. Why choose one religion's view of abortion as the law while the others' views are dismissed? It's mainly a religious rights issue.
Legislatures pass laws all the time that are preferred by one religion and not by another
and individual legislators sometimes vote against what their preferred religion wants and sometimes vote for it for reasons other than their religion.
Individual voters are free to vote based on whatever values they choose to live by.
Murder is illegal in all 50 states
but not because the government decided to implement a particular religion.
And some people favor abortion rights for religious reasons. That doesnt mean that government cant protect those rights or that legislators with those beliefs cant vote consistent with them.
Cerridwen
(13,260 posts)is actually codified in law. I believe it was a traditional interpretation of the 1st Amendment by the supreme Court.
Meaning, this supreme court may change it's mind; so to speak.
The legal eagles will be along to correct me soon enough.
I look forward to being wrong on this and learning more about the law than I ever wanted to know.
LeftInTX
(25,586 posts)School kids are still subjected to "One Nation Under God" every single day.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)They are rare but do exist.
FBaggins
(26,770 posts)There is no principal that says that if we can associate a law with someones religious belief it must be overturned
2naSalit
(86,817 posts)Are basing their arguments on religious tenets which is why they are also pushing the lie that this is a xtian nation. Their argument had no credibility so they had to make shit up and try to convince the rest of us they were right.
It's all BS when you take a closer look.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,628 posts)Under Jewish religious law, it is clear that life begins at birth and there is no prohibition in the Torah on abortion. According to my Rabbi, the life of a fetus is only potential life and the life of the mother is more important than the life of a fetus. Alito's proposed opinion elevates Christian beliefs over Judaism.
Link to tweet
https://jezebel.com/jewish-leaders-banning-abortion-is-absolutely-a-violat-1848885645
Coalitions of Rabbis across different sects of Judaism and a contingent of Jewish abortion activists are defending Jewish pregnant peoples right to abortion access, raising what they claim is a valid legal challenge: A national abortion ban would violate their right to religious freedom as guaranteed by the First Amendment. And as the right to bodily autonomy for women and pregnant people is threatenedlargely impacting low-income Black and brown peopleby conservative justices arguments that we should simply rewind to the good old years when women didnt have any rights because, you know, some 17th century witch-hunter said so, Jewish communities are putting their foot down to say, Not in my religion.......
For evidence, Rabbi Ruttenberg points to the Book of Exodus in the Torah, which discusses a case where two men accidentally knock over a pregnant person and cause them to miscarry:
When men fight, and one of them pushes a pregnant woman and a miscarriage results, but no other harm ensues, the one responsible shall be fined when the womans husband demands compensation; the payment will be determined by judges. But if other harm ensues, the penalty shall be life for life.
The Hebrew Bible, she says, does not regard the fetus as a person, for the Torah doesnt specify how long the woman has been pregnant when the miscarriage happens. Another annotated text states, If she is found pregnant, until the fortieth day it is mere fluid, meaning the fetus does not have agency for at least forty days of pregnancy. For that reason, some interpretations of Jewish law say that personhood begins with the first breath. Its not murder, basically, and the Talmud lays that out really explicitly, she says.
I like the idea of a lawsuit filed on the basis of the First Amendment. Alito's draft opinion favors conservative christian theology over the faith all all or most Jews.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,628 posts)I understand the Reform Jewish position on abortion. The life of the fetus is considered potential life and the life of the mother takes precedence over the life of the fetus. I am glad to see some branches of the Christian faith has similar views on abortion
Link to tweet
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/religions-support-abortion-rights-leaders-are-speaking-rcna27194
In response to her sermon, Nathan received a standing ovation, she said, along with angry reactions from a few people who were upset that she addressed abortion access from the pulpit. But Nathan saw speaking up as part of her rabbinical responsibility, she said.....
More than a half-dozen major religions and denominations support abortion rights with few or some limits Conservative and Reform Judaism, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), the Unitarian Universalist Church and the United Church of Christ, among others but many leaders of those faiths and religion experts say their positions are often not well-known......
The Rev. Angela Williams, a pastor ordained in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), which has supported abortion rights since 1970, is the lead organizer of the Spiritual Alliance of Communities for Reproductive Dignity, or SACReD, an initiative that trains interfaith leaders in how to support reproductive justice through their congregations.
In addition to a large number of Jews, there are a good number of other faiths that support abortion rights. Alito's draft favors one branch of christianity over the beliefs of a number of ther religions
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,628 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)The only ones that have attacked a woman's right-to-choose are religious right-wingers.