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Global Climate Change, can we talk about it now? (Original Post) edhopper Oct 2012 OP
Let's talk about why my son hasn't seen a hurricane in six years thecrow Oct 2012 #1
Shhhhh... polichick Oct 2012 #5
Hurricane Sandy is just part of a natural 25-40 year cycle guardian Oct 2012 #12
So I suppose you know more than all of the climatologists who tell us climate change IS happening Hugabear Oct 2012 #17
As much as you'd like us to believe, it's not one or the other NickB79 Oct 2012 #19
After the election, presumably. polichick Oct 2012 #2
Cuomo is talking about climate change on radio show this morning. pampango Oct 2012 #3
Good -- it needs attention marions ghost Oct 2012 #6
"Inconvenient Truths" will be denied marions ghost Oct 2012 #4
So we will drown edhopper Oct 2012 #7
Some will drown in their own stupid lies I hope when marions ghost Oct 2012 #14
The demographics are changing Harmony Blue Oct 2012 #8
Not to Republicans. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #9
whether or not climate change is happening, the rates of asthma and breathing disorders rising are RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #10
my point was, we need to ignore idiots who even deny evolution, and focus on solutions RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #11
No, we can't talk about it, because some people don't believe it, and that's good enough. LovePeacock Oct 2012 #13
The Australians marions ghost Oct 2012 #16
Only if you promise to be a good boy and say that effects are still 30 to 40 years away.... Junkdrawer Oct 2012 #15
No the effects are happening now edhopper Oct 2012 #18
Agreed. Junkdrawer Oct 2012 #20
Gotcha edhopper Oct 2012 #21

thecrow

(5,519 posts)
1. Let's talk about why my son hasn't seen a hurricane in six years
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:09 AM
Oct 2012

in Florida.... yet during the past two years Northern VA has seen TWO.

 

guardian

(2,282 posts)
12. Hurricane Sandy is just part of a natural 25-40 year cycle
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:47 PM
Oct 2012

Just like clockwork all the global warming doomers have their panties in a wad over Sandy. Anytime they see some weather they don't like they trot out "global warming caused this" meme. It is so infantile.

Here's an article explaining the cyclic nature of hurricanes: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0328_060328_hurricane_2.html


You may resume your panic now.

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
17. So I suppose you know more than all of the climatologists who tell us climate change IS happening
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:17 PM
Oct 2012

Please do go on and tell us how all of these "global warming doomers" are just a bunch of idiots, and how you know so much more than they do. What are your credentials on this? Have you studied climatology? Do you have any peer-reviewed journals to present us?

And I love the way you managed to throw in some highly sexist language into your right-wing propaganda.

NickB79

(19,243 posts)
19. As much as you'd like us to believe, it's not one or the other
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:23 PM
Oct 2012

For example, you can still have hurricane cycles AND see the frequency of hurricanes increase due to global warming. The cycles are just amplified, sped up, and the storms more frequent overall.

For example: http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2007/hurricanefrequency.shtml

Frequency of Atlantic Hurricanes Doubled Over Last Century; Climate Change Suspected

July 29, 2007

BOULDER—About twice as many Atlantic hurricanes form each year on average than a century ago, according to a new statistical analysis of hurricanes and tropical storms in the north Atlantic. The study concludes that warmer sea surface temperatures (SSTs) and altered wind patterns associated with global climate change are fueling much of the increase.Greg Holland

"These numbers are a strong indication that climate change is a major factor in the increasing number of Atlantic hurricanes," says Holland.

The analysis identifies three periods since 1900, separated by sharp transitions, during which the average number of hurricanes and tropical storms increased dramatically and then remained elevated and relatively steady. The first period, between 1900 and 1930, saw an average of six Atlantic tropical cyclones (or major storms), of which four were hurricanes and two were tropical storms. From 1930 to 1940, the annual average increased to 10, consisting of five hurricanes and five tropical storms. In the final study period, from 1995 to 2005, the average reached 15, of which eight were hurricanes and seven were tropical storms.


And: http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-hurricane-frequency-20121015,0,4179372.story?track=rss

Now, a new study is likely to stoke the debate even further. On Monday, a paper published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences, or PNAS, concluded that large Katrina-sized hurricanes were twice as likely to form off the United States' southeast coast in hotter years than they were in colder years.

The analysis, which focused only on the North Atlantic, also concluded that the frequency of hurricanes with large storm surges has been increasing since 1923.

The study is unique in that it relies primarily on storm surge data taken from tide gauges along the Gulf Coast and Eastern Seaboard of the United States.

Other studies have relied on satellite imagery that has only been used for the last 40 years. The tide gauge data date to the 1920s.


The evidence is pretty clear, even if you don't want to look at it.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
3. Cuomo is talking about climate change on radio show this morning.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:20 AM
Oct 2012

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, talking on AM radio, seems to be raising an alarm about climate change – and to question whether the city is built to withstand the kind of saltwater inundation it took overnight:

As I said to the President yesteray, we have a 100-yr flood every 2 yrs

The construction of this city did not anticipate these type of conditions -- subway, bldg foundations, 911 site nr Hudson

Gov re bldg wall to stop flooding in #Battery: wall would have to be all around #Manhattan, it was everywhere, NY Harbor, JFK, #Queens, #LI

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/30/sandy-superstorm-flooding-power-cuts

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
4. "Inconvenient Truths" will be denied
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:20 AM
Oct 2012

--was there ever a better name for a book about climate change?

America is a very expedient society, poor at planning for the long term.

Corrupt and self-serving people and their leaders DO NOT want to know about climate change. They get the implications. It's a whole new ball game if we open that Pandora's Box.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
14. Some will drown in their own stupid lies I hope when
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:09 PM
Oct 2012

it gets bad enough...I hope there are a few islands of sanity somewhere...

People who don't take "Frankenstorms" as a wake-up call .... I guess they'll like living in Waterworld.

The denial of scientific evidence of Climate Change really is like the Flat Earth Society.

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
8. The demographics are changing
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:26 AM
Oct 2012

and it points to where the American public is more willing to talk about climate change like the rest of the world.

 
10. whether or not climate change is happening, the rates of asthma and breathing disorders rising are
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:41 PM
Oct 2012

We need to end free trade agreements.

If we want to set an example, and not be hypocrites, we must lead the effort by only buying and selling products that are produced responsibly.

We must demand our politicians end the free trade agreements, which have also resulted in the loss of millions of jobs.

At the same time we must demand our government stop hiring companies, such as Boeing, who outsource and encourage others to outsource American jobs.

Sending our tax dollars overseas so Boeing can make more money and keep on polluting makes absolutely no sense.
 
11. my point was, we need to ignore idiots who even deny evolution, and focus on solutions
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:43 PM
Oct 2012

We need to stop reacting to the moronic, and press ahead for real solutions.

And instead of convincing Republicans to believe us, perhaps we could show them the rising rates of asthma and other breathing disorders and at least come to the agreement that our future generations deserve to breathe clean air.

 

LovePeacock

(225 posts)
13. No, we can't talk about it, because some people don't believe it, and that's good enough.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:48 PM
Oct 2012

Fuck all the science and the facts and the numbers and the statistics.

Some people just don't believe it, and that's good enough.

Welcome to the stupidest civilized, industrialized country in the world.

Other decent countries don't have this debate.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
15. Only if you promise to be a good boy and say that effects are still 30 to 40 years away....
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:12 PM
Oct 2012

You know, AFTER we burn everything we can dig or drill from the ground.

edhopper

(33,580 posts)
18. No the effects are happening now
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:18 PM
Oct 2012

An ice free arctic in the summer. Devastating storms. More and more flooding, droughts, higher temps, bigger blizzards. it is happening now.
The devastating end-of-the-world might be decades away, But the drowning of places around the globe could be closer than you think.

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