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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGlobal Climate Change, can we talk about it now?
And I don't want to hear any more about "clean" coal, or burning fossil fuels to prosperity.
thecrow
(5,519 posts)in Florida.... yet during the past two years Northern VA has seen TWO.
polichick
(37,152 posts)No inconvenient truths please.
guardian
(2,282 posts)Just like clockwork all the global warming doomers have their panties in a wad over Sandy. Anytime they see some weather they don't like they trot out "global warming caused this" meme. It is so infantile.
Here's an article explaining the cyclic nature of hurricanes: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0328_060328_hurricane_2.html
You may resume your panic now.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)Please do go on and tell us how all of these "global warming doomers" are just a bunch of idiots, and how you know so much more than they do. What are your credentials on this? Have you studied climatology? Do you have any peer-reviewed journals to present us?
And I love the way you managed to throw in some highly sexist language into your right-wing propaganda.
NickB79
(19,243 posts)For example, you can still have hurricane cycles AND see the frequency of hurricanes increase due to global warming. The cycles are just amplified, sped up, and the storms more frequent overall.
For example: http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2007/hurricanefrequency.shtml
July 29, 2007
BOULDERAbout twice as many Atlantic hurricanes form each year on average than a century ago, according to a new statistical analysis of hurricanes and tropical storms in the north Atlantic. The study concludes that warmer sea surface temperatures (SSTs) and altered wind patterns associated with global climate change are fueling much of the increase.Greg Holland
"These numbers are a strong indication that climate change is a major factor in the increasing number of Atlantic hurricanes," says Holland.
The analysis identifies three periods since 1900, separated by sharp transitions, during which the average number of hurricanes and tropical storms increased dramatically and then remained elevated and relatively steady. The first period, between 1900 and 1930, saw an average of six Atlantic tropical cyclones (or major storms), of which four were hurricanes and two were tropical storms. From 1930 to 1940, the annual average increased to 10, consisting of five hurricanes and five tropical storms. In the final study period, from 1995 to 2005, the average reached 15, of which eight were hurricanes and seven were tropical storms.
And: http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-hurricane-frequency-20121015,0,4179372.story?track=rss
The analysis, which focused only on the North Atlantic, also concluded that the frequency of hurricanes with large storm surges has been increasing since 1923.
The study is unique in that it relies primarily on storm surge data taken from tide gauges along the Gulf Coast and Eastern Seaboard of the United States.
Other studies have relied on satellite imagery that has only been used for the last 40 years. The tide gauge data date to the 1920s.
The evidence is pretty clear, even if you don't want to look at it.
polichick
(37,152 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, talking on AM radio, seems to be raising an alarm about climate change and to question whether the city is built to withstand the kind of saltwater inundation it took overnight:
As I said to the President yesteray, we have a 100-yr flood every 2 yrs
The construction of this city did not anticipate these type of conditions -- subway, bldg foundations, 911 site nr Hudson
Gov re bldg wall to stop flooding in #Battery: wall would have to be all around #Manhattan, it was everywhere, NY Harbor, JFK, #Queens, #LI
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/30/sandy-superstorm-flooding-power-cuts
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)--was there ever a better name for a book about climate change?
America is a very expedient society, poor at planning for the long term.
Corrupt and self-serving people and their leaders DO NOT want to know about climate change. They get the implications. It's a whole new ball game if we open that Pandora's Box.
edhopper
(33,580 posts)while debating gay marriage and tax cuts.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)it gets bad enough...I hope there are a few islands of sanity somewhere...
People who don't take "Frankenstorms" as a wake-up call .... I guess they'll like living in Waterworld.
The denial of scientific evidence of Climate Change really is like the Flat Earth Society.
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)and it points to where the American public is more willing to talk about climate change like the rest of the world.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)We need to end free trade agreements.
If we want to set an example, and not be hypocrites, we must lead the effort by only buying and selling products that are produced responsibly.
We must demand our politicians end the free trade agreements, which have also resulted in the loss of millions of jobs.
At the same time we must demand our government stop hiring companies, such as Boeing, who outsource and encourage others to outsource American jobs.
Sending our tax dollars overseas so Boeing can make more money and keep on polluting makes absolutely no sense.
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)We need to stop reacting to the moronic, and press ahead for real solutions.
And instead of convincing Republicans to believe us, perhaps we could show them the rising rates of asthma and other breathing disorders and at least come to the agreement that our future generations deserve to breathe clean air.
LovePeacock
(225 posts)Fuck all the science and the facts and the numbers and the statistics.
Some people just don't believe it, and that's good enough.
Welcome to the stupidest civilized, industrialized country in the world.
Other decent countries don't have this debate.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)I know for a fact are amazed & dismayed by this...
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)You know, AFTER we burn everything we can dig or drill from the ground.
edhopper
(33,580 posts)An ice free arctic in the summer. Devastating storms. More and more flooding, droughts, higher temps, bigger blizzards. it is happening now.
The devastating end-of-the-world might be decades away, But the drowning of places around the globe could be closer than you think.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)You did catch my implied
edhopper
(33,580 posts)The ol' we got plenty of time to work it out without it costing us anything.