Hopefully, we will soon see the end of the Garland will do nothing, nothing will happen, syndrome.

[fightforfreedom]

If people cannot see Garland is investigating the attempted coup, classified documents, the fake electors, they are not paying attention. Many grand juries have been put in place and people are being subpoenaed.

I expect the open hearings will make it much easier for the DOJ to do their job. That's what happened after the Watergate hearings. The committee has an incredible amount of evidence. That evidence will be shared with the DOJ and they will act upon it. The open hearings will educate the people, that is very important.

I don't know if Garland, a grand jury, will attempt to indict Trump. I have no doubt the people around Trump are in big trouble. The evidence is overwhelming and many of them are going to be indicted. People who refuse to answer subpoenas are guilty. People who refuse to cooperate are guilty. Many people involved in crimes are making deals, they are spilling their guts. They are turning on each other.

Grand juries don't play politics, they indict when the evidence is overwhelming. Hopefully, after the open hearings and the people are educated, Garland will make his intentions much more clear and we can end the Garland will do nothing syndrome.

[Emile]

1. Bookmarking

[Novara]

2. I suspect he'll start with the people most likely to flip

And make an example out of them.

Either that, or start with some of the top people where he has the strongest evidence and make an example out of them.

Either way, I suspect the DOJ lawyers are busy with the pieces like a jigsaw puzzle to figure out who to go after first - and how to go after them (deal, no deal?) in order to make a big splash and to maximize the effect on the others. Make them sweat.


Remember that the DOJ recently asked for a shitload more funding to hire more lawyers? Maybe those lawyers are needed to put this together or maybe they are needed to prosecute the dumbfuck redneck seditionists so that the top lawyers who are already there can focus on the top motherfuckers, I don't know.

I used to be one of the naysayers but I now think they're working on shuffling the pieces. They'll wait until the public hearings in prime time so that they have the backing of public sentiment - that way it looks less political. When America is outraged they HAVE to act, and I believe they will.

[former9thward]

60. That request for funding for new lawyers was for the next fiscal year.

Not now. By the time the request (if approved) goes through and the hiring process starts it would take at least a year to hire lawyers and get them up to speed about DOJ procedures. So basically two years from now.

[hamsterjill]

3. Wow. Yet another thread on this.

Hmmm…..

[gab13by13]

8. Yeah we can all relax now justice has arrived.

It didn't take DOJ long to protect the SC justices, still waiting for them to protect school board members and election officials.

[dem4decades]

15. DOJ protects the institutions, the people not so much.

[Magoo48]

23. Too bad, that.

Because, the rest of up peons and average Janes and Joes pickup the fucking tab for all of it.
The arrogance of public “servants” operating on the tax dime is flabbergasting.

[FoxNewsSucks]

24. No shit.

Arrogance and hypocrisy.

[hamsterjill]

42. Well it would seem that there are some

Who are going to continue to insist that the DOJ is doing something (and condemning those of us who might feel otherwise) when they know no more than the rest of us.

When I see something tangible, I’ll be glad to change my stance. Until then, I don’t care how many threads there are on DU, I’m not getting my hopes up that any of those traitors will see justice.

[BlackSkimmer]

22. Funny, ain't it?

[hamsterjill]

43. Yeppers.

Makes one wonder, doesn’t it?

The “Garland will get Trump” crowd seems to be in a fervor whereas those of us who believe otherwise just state our opinion and let it be. Why ARE those Garland apologists so concerned with differing viewpoints?

Again, makes one go “hmmmmm”, doesn’t it? (Credit to Arsenio Hall for the expression.)

[BlackSkimmer]

44. Usually at least two lecture OPs a day.

And plenty of other random ones.

[gldstwmn]

61. It seems that someone is pushing the just be patient narrative.

[no_hypocrisy]

4. Point taken.

One MAY be able to escape a subpoena if it isn't enforced, BUT you can't escape an indictment. You are officially on trial criminally.

[SoonerPride]

5. How adorable.

[gab13by13]

6. Your post says the evidence is overwhelming

that people committed crimes, so my question to you is, why does DOJ have to wait for the select committee to make "its job easier?"

If you are able to see overwhelming evidence of crimes surely DOJ can see that same evidence? Isn't it the job of DOJ to prosecute crimes, or is Merrick Garland an institutionalist who believes that some crimes should not be prosecuted for the protection of our institutions?

Grand juries don't indict when the evidence is overwhelming. The bar is lower for grand juries. Prosecutors do not have to make their cases beyond a reasonable doubt and prosecutors do not have to get unanimous decisions from grand juries.

I am extremely happy to see DOJ investigating the Trump stolen classified documents, it got a referral from the National Archives to investigate.

The DOJ also got a criminal referral from the Michigan AG 121 days ago to investigate the fake electors, what took so long? Why did DOJ have to wait for a referral it should have known almost a year and a half ago about the fake electors because the documents signed by the fake electors were sent to the National Archives who immediately informed the states about the bogus documents.

DOJ damned well better be doing something, as you rightly say, the evidence is overwhelming and our democratic form of government is at stake.

[Scrivener7]

7. Let me fix that for you: "Hopefully, we will soon see the end of the period when nothing

is happening to hold responsible the organizers of the attempted coup to overthrow our Democracy."

Though I'll still believe it when I see it.

[gab13by13]

9. Something is being done,

those moving van drivers who loaded the boxes of top secret documents are going to be held accountable. I hope that DOJ also looks for the top secret documents that are missing.

What really irks me is that DOJ is investigating Hunter's laptop but Saudi Arabia can give 2 billion dollars to Jared Kushner and DOJ doesn't bat an eye.

[Scrivener7]

19. 2 billion. Can you believe?? And it's gone from the news.

[FoxNewsSucks]

25. All those ads on cable news channels for Saudi Arabia

as a vacation destination may have something to do with that.

[fightforfreedom]

21. I imagine the grand jury will want to talk to the people who packed those boxes with classified

documents. It was probable Whitehouse staff. Who ordered them to pack those boxes? They don't do shit like that on their own. This could get very interesting. I was reminded it is very hard to miss a classified document. It has a big stamp on it saying classified or secret or top secret. Whoever packed those boxes had to notice.

[Demsrule86]

10. I find it satisfying to attack Republicans myself...not Democrats. Who are the only ones who can

save us fromm the rabid right. I honestly think the midterm is the most important election probably in my lifetime. And I would prefer not to see any prosecution before the midterm which would undoubtedly rev up the rightie base. Here is how I feel about Garland. If he has enough evidence to get a conviction, he will prosecute, if not, we will move on. Consider how long ordinary criminals wait for their trials to happen and this is way more complicated. As I have stated before I doubt it will be possible to convict Trump. There will always be a Trumper on any jury

[Scrivener7]

11. So you essentially agree with me and you, too, will believe it when you see it. Good to know!

[gab13by13]

12. Who is attacking Democrats?

If you are saying that people who are urging DOJ to prosecute criminals is an attack on Democrats I am confused.

I have no idea what Merrick Garland is, looking at his bio I would guess he is a Democrat.

We won't have a Democratic party if DOJ doesn't stop the ongoing insurrection which continues to grow.

[NewHendoLib]

13. My version "hopefully SOMEBODY will eventually pay for the multitude

of crimes committed over and beyond the TFG years in clear view that weakened our country"

I'm not holding my breath

[kentuck]

14. And some will say...

It's a good thing a few people kept the pressure on or it would all have been buried and over with by now?

Personally, I think it is better sometimes to criticize for inaction than to have complete faith that someone will do their job just the way you imagine. I am not a proponent of silence.

I hope Garland will go further than the boxes of documents but we do not know for sure if he will? Some of us have blind faith.

[Scrivener7]

18. Very well said.

[NightWatcher]

16. Merry Fitmas. It's Mueller Time.

[BlackSkimmer]

20. And Lucy is readying the football again.

[secondwind]

17. I've been saying this all along...........

[MineralMan]

26. I'm afraid this may fall on some deaf ears.

Despite any progress the DOJ makes, it will not ever be enough for some.

[Gore1FL]

31. Until people are behind bars, it shouldn't be enough for anyone. nt

[MineralMan]

32. See?

People will be behind bars. Some already are. More will follow. Complicated cases take time, and there are few cases more complicated than one involving a President of the United States. If you want a conviction from a trial jury, you should be happy that they are taking a lot of time to prepare a case. Getting a conviction will in that case will require a perfectly prepared prosecution with overwhelming evidence against that defendant. You might think you know he's guilty, but proving it to a jury isn't based on what you think.

[Gore1FL]

37. Who in the inner circle is behind bars? Which one is in trial? I missed the news. nt

[MineralMan]

38. They're working up.

Stephen Bannon will be the first from the "inner circle" to go on trial. July 18.

[Gore1FL]

40. That's not a good record to date given the importance of the matter.

This took less than a year:

May 28, 1972
Liddy’s team breaks into the Democratic National Committee Headquarters at the Watergate complex in Washington, D.C. for the first time, bugging the telephones of staffers.

June 17, 1972
Five men are arrested after breaking into the Democratic National Committee Headquarters. Among the items found in their possession were bugging devices, thousands of dollars in cash and rolls of film. Days later, the White House denied involvement in the break-in.

January 8, 1973
The Watergate break-in trial begins.

So spare me the "Golly, just be patient! Everything is dandy!" line of condescending reassurance.

[BlackSkimmer]

41. Yup.

In the meantime the lecturing will continue.

[fightforfreedom]

46. Jan 2020, lunatics break into the Capital.

Over 800 arrested, many have already gone to trial and jail in a year. Compare that to what you posted. As a matter of fact one could argue the justice dept is moving faster than the Watergate investigation. Five people broke into Watergate, over 800 broke into the capital. Do the math.

[Gore1FL]

47. Of those 800 how many are in the inner circle?

I set the goal-post in my argument. Please don't move it.

[fightforfreedom]

57. Of the five people arrested for the Watergate break-in, how many were in the inner circle.

You compared the five people charged for the break-in to what is happening now. 800 people being charged. This investigation is a little bigger than Watergate.

[Gore1FL]

59. Bernard Barker and James McCord, and Frank Sturgis were CIA.

All five were recruited by G. Gordon Liddy.

On September 15, 1972, a grand jury indicted all five office burglars. They also nailed Hunt and Liddy... Inner Circle indictments in five months. So.... I wish Merrick Garland would speed this up. I am not sure why that is a controversial opinion.

[gldstwmn]

62. John Mitchell went to prison and he was the Attorney General.

So did Dean and Magruder. They're running out the clock on this thing because they don't want to indict a former president. I think that's what Garland's hang up is. There is a recording of TFG asking the Secretary of State of Georgia to find him votes. What about the Mueller Report? Are we ever going to get to read the unredacted report? What about Alvin Bragg in NY? Something ain't clean in the buttermilk here.

[gldstwmn]

63. Did they ever look into who was funding those people?

[jaxexpat]

27. The Watergate was burglarized by Nixon's people on 5/28/1972.

20 days later some were arrested.
354 days after the break-in the senate began to hold televised hearings about the affair.
803 days after the break-in Nixon resigned.

The capitol building was broken into and ransacked by Trumpists on 1/6/2021 in front of millions of witnesses.
Today is 5/13/2022
The crime was committed 492 days ago. No masterminds of the insurrection have been apprehended.

[BlackSkimmer]

30. Yep. nt

[Ferrets are Cool]

28. When I see it, when I see someone actually pay for their crimes, THEN I will stop

thinking NOTHING will happen to the elite.

[2Gingersnaps]

29. Instant gratification society.

Biggest criminal investigation in the history of our country.

[gab13by13]

35. Abraham Lincoln got it right,

Lincoln urged not to prosecute the soldiers in the Civil war who obeyed orders. Lincoln urged that they be allowed to go home and go back to their families, go back to work. Lincoln wanted the people responsible for inciting the Civil war held responsible and banned from holding public office.

Our DOJ is doing a reverse Lincoln.

[gab13by13]

33. If the goal is to get Democrats fighting with another,

aren't we really all on the same page?

There's an article today on Raw Story that is quoting people on Morning Joe who claim the White House is concerned about DOJ's inaction.

I understand that getting to an actual trial takes time, that's not the problem. Donald Trump ran his presidency like a mob boss. He had other people do his dirty work to keep his hands clean, maybe there isn't enough evidence to indict Trump? If that's the case then DOJ needs to lay the lumber to people like Mark Meadows and John Eastman.

My worry is that because Garland is an institutionalist he may decide not to prosecute people because of an honest belief that doing so would harm our institutions and our country. Merrick Garland is not some right wing plant, he is an honest man. I hope he realizes that non-prosecutions will do more harm to our institutions and country than holding insurrectionists accountable.

Garland did not have to defend the office of the presidency in the E.Jeanne Carroll defamation law suit, but he did. Even when Trump accused E. Jeanne Carroll of lying about him raping her, Garland considers it his duty to defend the office of the presidency, which amounts to defending Donald Trump to protect the office.

[Beastly Boy]

34. Garland bashing is an irrational obsession and it ain't gonna stop

Now Garland is being bashed for doing his job. What is his fault this time? Same as it always was. Trump is not indicted. As if DOJ, an incredibly complex department has only one function: to indict Trump, and all of its other duties have to be suspended until it happens.

A short history of Garland bashing: first, he was sitting on his hands doing nothing. then he was not indicting the rioters, then he was not indicting the insurrectionists, then he was not indicting the “big fish”, then he was not indicting seditionists, then, 800 indictments later, with al the above categories covered, the complaint became what took him so long.... and now, with Garland stating that he intends to do exactly the job he was hired to do and make sure US Justices are protected, the complaint is how dare he do his job!

Garland bashing had crossed into the realm of the surreally ridiculous. If it didn’t end at this point, there is no boundary that will not be disregarded in scapegoating him. No need for rhyme or reason to be applied.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

36. I'm old enough to remember "Fitzmas."

We're still waiting for those charges to be made. Maybe those will happen at the same time the Trump charges are made.

[Scrivener7]

49. Definitely. Also, Iran Contra? Heads gonna roll!!!

[ripcord]

39. If a case isn't tried in the media then apparently nothing is happening

[Ohio Joe]

45. Non-sense... We'll see the goal posts moved again, thats all...

It's already moving to someone high up needs to be charged... When that happens it'll change to someone in the inner circle needs to be charged... Which was the higher ups at one time but I've even seen it claimed that people like Stone are not part of TFG's inner circle. Yeah, right, his close advisor forever is not now somehow part of that... Sheesh. Some have even already gone to needing to see TFG convicted and in prison before they'll concede anything is being done... Though I expect it'll just shift again to 'They took too long' as the complaint of the day.

[Scrivener7]

50. So you think it's a bad thing that people want those at the center of this to be charged.

Do you hear yourself?

[Ohio Joe]

52. That is just silliness...

And not at all what I said. Of course I want them to pay... I'm sticking to what I've said for ages and that is that a case has to be solid and not just a 'lock them up' chant... Those wanting to prosecute a case that can't win are the ones, IMO, that want the perps to go free.

[Scrivener7]

53. What I have been saying for ages, and taking a lot of heat for, is "I'll believe it when I see it."

Now twice in this thread, two people who have acted like I was the devil for saying that are essentially agreeing with it.

You'll believe it when you see it. But these days you are suddenly very clearly admitting you may never see it.

[Ohio Joe]

55. If you think I was speaking of you...

That is not my fault. If I wanted to, I’d have said it to you.

“ But these days you are suddenly very clearly admitting you may never see it.”

I don’t know what you are talking about… I thought I’ve been very clear. If not, let me try again. I believe the best way to get tfg is exactly how the DOJ is going about it, like a mob case. I think they will indict him and convict him.

Clear?

[Scrivener7]

56. I never said I though you were speaking of me. We have conversed in the past.

But suddenly now you guys are talking about the cases "that can't win."

Just an interesting change in the weather, is all.

[Ohio Joe]

58. What change?

I’ve said for ages that trying to prosecute this from the top down would lose, it is not how mob cases get convictions. Prosecuting them bottom up is how they win in court. It’s exactly what I’ve been saying for ages. I don’t know who you are lumping me in with but I stand on my own words, not anyone else’s.

[Silent3]

48. We've already lost the big impact on November elections faster action might have had...

...so there is valid reason to be very pissed at the slowness of the process already.

November elections are going to be very important to the degree of locked-in power Republicans are trying to grab. The goal of Republicans is to use their power now to make elections in 2024 irrelevant.

The coup didn't start and end on 1/6. It started before and it continues now. It's a pressing, active emergency. DoJ certainly isn't acting like that's what their fighting against.

[Scrivener7]

51. I can just imagine what this would look like if Democrats tried to take over a republiqan

administration.

It wouldn't be sixteen months with no news, I can guarantee that.

[kentuck]

54. I think some Democrats are intimidated by Republican threats of jail and punishment.

They know they don't have to be guilty. They can do it just because they have the power to do it.

[Marius25]

64. Sorry, but you guys still haven't presented evidence he's doing anything.

Until I see Trump, Meadows, Navarro, Eastman, Stone, Boebert, Greene, Cawthorn, Gosar, Brooks, Biggs, Cruz, etc. in handcuffs, then he's not doing anything.

Letting them walk free is not accountability. Garland does not believe in indicting a former *resident.