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Baitball Blogger

(46,775 posts)
Sat May 14, 2022, 07:48 AM May 2022

Ha! Trump's America First program is being blamed for the baby food shortage.

His trade agreement created shortages because his deal prevents us from importing it from other countries. Our shortage was caused by a recall of Similac due to a defective product. And now Trump's deal has kept us from backfilling the shortfall from Canada, for example, who has a surplus of the baby food.

Editing to add that we all know why Trump didn't write in a stopgap measure to account for shortfalls in supplies. It's because Republicans don't believe in safety nets. LOL!

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Ha! Trump's America First program is being blamed for the baby food shortage. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger May 2022 OP
Why isn't the media reporting this? The WH should be on this. Boomerproud May 2022 #1
Just heard it on MSNBC. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #6
They need to forward that to their parent company. GoCubsGo May 2022 #17
Oh, just you wait. Ligyron May 2022 #38
The Repubs/Trump cast themselves as being good businessmen.... RicROC May 2022 #9
One of the biggest, all time lies. paleotn May 2022 #22
It's early. I read that as "pogrom' /nt bucolic_frolic May 2022 #2
Might as well be. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #7
You're not wrong. paleotn May 2022 #24
Can't an EO Tickle May 2022 #3
I'd bet they're working on it bucolic_frolic May 2022 #5
Takes time to reverse 4 years of idiotic EO's produced by the other guy. paleotn May 2022 #25
Years? Tickle May 2022 #26
Minutes. "All Executive Orders numbered 13765 through 13984, Buns_of_Fire May 2022 #32
From right after being sworn on his first day, to date, he had already been doing this BumRushDaShow May 2022 #33
You'll love this one jmowreader May 2022 #53
Wonder if FOX will explain to its viewers how Trump trade policies have come back to bite babies? Samrob May 2022 #4
I just don't understand why there weren't stopgaps written into the NAFTA contract. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #8
We also made a huge mistake not joining in th TPP, we killed it. China was given free reign when we Samrob May 2022 #11
+100 nt reACTIONary May 2022 #15
The TPP allowed countries with slavery to join...so no we didn't. You start favoring outsourcing Demsrule86 May 2022 #47
We don't need safety nets in this country KS Toronado May 2022 #13
The reality is that they have community welfare that comes from their own churches Baitball Blogger May 2022 #14
I know exactly what you're talking about KS Toronado May 2022 #18
Until they're personally afflicted in some way EYESORE 9001 May 2022 #16
You got that right KS Toronado May 2022 #19
There are dangerous idiots all over Twitter hawking recipes AllyCat May 2022 #30
There are idiots recommending raw unpasteurized milk IronLionZion May 2022 #34
More SM misinformation. More dead people. AllyCat May 2022 #41
They're telling their idiot viewers that Biden is sending formula to immigrant babies at the border IronLionZion May 2022 #21
Met these idiots on Twitter. They are horrible people at Faux. AllyCat May 2022 #31
Blamed by whom? Us on D.U.? Wednesdays May 2022 #10
It was on MSNBC. Katie Phang, who just started on April 9th. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #12
Agree - until it is on more than MSNBC - the right will not hear it. 33taw May 2022 #23
It'll never be on Fox or OAN. Mr.Bill May 2022 #45
Exactly. The domestic supply chain was "hand to mouth" paleotn May 2022 #20
+1 Baitball Blogger May 2022 #27
You are so correct Tickle May 2022 #28
"The capacity to produce those things died and was offshored 30 years ago" DBoon May 2022 #46
repubs don't like 'safety nets' because they hurt their ability to price gouge during crises... Wounded Bear May 2022 #29
I think we should make our own goods and not trust imports...we need to make our own stuff. Demsrule86 May 2022 #35
If the country has a shortage, there aren't many options for immediate relief In It to Win It May 2022 #37
I do not believe in importing vaccines or things like baby formula there are factories that Demsrule86 May 2022 #40
Sure. But that takes time. Open imports would help the immediate AllyCat May 2022 #42
It can be done. And I dated a guy who worked for Bristol Meyers...some of that baby food Demsrule86 May 2022 #48
It can be done atreides1 May 2022 #52
I don't disagree with you but that's a long term view. In It to Win It May 2022 #43
No, because companies want the lower cost manufacturing...bowl of rice manufacturing as Demsrule86 May 2022 #49
Ok, so what do you do in the meantime? In It to Win It May 2022 #50
Funny you mention that, I just saw this 😂 In It to Win It May 2022 #36
Oh, please post your own thread! Baitball Blogger May 2022 #39
The same apply to the shortage of cat food?? Number9Dream May 2022 #44
Two companies manufacture all the formula pecosbob May 2022 #51
Please pass this on to Elise Stefanik and Stephen Miller! Rhiannon12866 May 2022 #54

Baitball Blogger

(46,775 posts)
6. Just heard it on MSNBC.
Sat May 14, 2022, 07:59 AM
May 2022

Two young women reporters! They were both righteous! One had that, "Don't fuck with us. We know how the problem started. Now fix it and let me feed my baby!

GoCubsGo

(32,099 posts)
17. They need to forward that to their parent company.
Sat May 14, 2022, 08:42 AM
May 2022

This morning's "Toady Show" was all about insinuating that Biden is somehow at fault here. No mention of Trump's re-negotiation of NAFTA, with it's tariffs on imported baby formulas. Barely a mention of why the one plant was shut down in the first place. Just the usual hysteria that is almost certainly driving people to horde the stuff. I will give them credit for not indulging in the "It's all going to illegal brown babies" conspiracies, though.

RicROC

(1,204 posts)
9. The Repubs/Trump cast themselves as being good businessmen....
Sat May 14, 2022, 08:17 AM
May 2022

and again they screw up a business deal.

paleotn

(17,994 posts)
22. One of the biggest, all time lies.
Sat May 14, 2022, 09:23 AM
May 2022

Trump would be vastly more wealthy if he'd simply put daddy's money in well balanced investments managed by those who know what they're doing and went off an played golf his entire life. There's a reason why pappa Trump considered him a moron. He is one.

bucolic_frolic

(43,430 posts)
5. I'd bet they're working on it
Sat May 14, 2022, 07:58 AM
May 2022

but Republicans will have a field day with Canadian baby formula. They'll call it French and figure it's warping babies' minds.

paleotn

(17,994 posts)
25. Takes time to reverse 4 years of idiotic EO's produced by the other guy.
Sat May 14, 2022, 09:26 AM
May 2022

The Trump admin was an EO machine. They printed them in mass like flyers.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,208 posts)
32. Minutes. "All Executive Orders numbered 13765 through 13984,
Sat May 14, 2022, 10:41 AM
May 2022

inclusive, are hereby rescinded. /s/ Joseph R. Biden, President of the United States" Or however these things get worded.

It would be awfully tempting to add a sentence: "So eat it, fuzznuts." But that would be wrong, as Non-fat Nixon would say. (And it's just one more example of why I should never be elected to public office.)

The American Presidency Project: Executive Orders
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/executive-orders

BumRushDaShow

(129,831 posts)
33. From right after being sworn on his first day, to date, he had already been doing this
Sat May 14, 2022, 11:25 AM
May 2022

and hasn't stopped since.

For example, here was a list from last year of what was done the first 100 days-

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/politics/biden-executive-orders/

There were 89 total so far through May 12, 2022.

For example, in one of his "day one" Executive Orders, he revoked 6 at once - https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-revocation-of-certain-executive-orders-concerning-federal-regulation/

The next month, after another revocation, he revoked 5 more (plus a handful of Memoranda) - https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/02/24/executive-order-on-the-revocation-of-certain-presidential-actions/

Then 3 months after that (still in 2021 - May this time), he revoked 6 more - https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/05/14/executive-order-on-the-revocation-of-certain-presidential-actions-and-technical-amendment/

There's a list with links to his E.O.s here (includes the ability to "expand" the list to see all of them) - https://ballotpedia.org/Joe_Biden%27s_executive_orders_and_actions#Executive_orders_issued_by_Biden

jmowreader

(50,572 posts)
53. You'll love this one
Sat May 14, 2022, 10:49 PM
May 2022

This is what Stephen Miller posted a few days ago:

There’d of course be no formula shortage if 45 were in office. But pretending there was: he’d have instantly issued EO, brought formula CEOs to Oval Office for public mtg, held Cab Mtg to break all logjams, told FDA head fix or be fired, made all staff work overtime till SOLVED.

None of which would have worked. OTOH, he could have done what President Biden did - dispatch FDA personnel to the contaminated plant to work with them to get it back in operation.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
4. Wonder if FOX will explain to its viewers how Trump trade policies have come back to bite babies?
Sat May 14, 2022, 07:55 AM
May 2022

Once again, the reaction to NAFTA in the beginning was focused on the wrong economic factors. Trumps changes to NAFTA were shortsighted and really aimed at just raising profits for his buddy conglomerates and not increasing good paying jobs in the USA. How will the media report on its relation to the baby formula shortage now? How will the Democrats use the information? Now is a great time to educate the voters about the possible ramifications of trade policies. Wonder how much Abbott contributed to the Trump campaign? Therein lies the rub.

Baitball Blogger

(46,775 posts)
8. I just don't understand why there weren't stopgaps written into the NAFTA contract.
Sat May 14, 2022, 08:02 AM
May 2022

Making America Great doesn't mean that America is infallible. Ah, I know why. Republicans don't like safety nets.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
11. We also made a huge mistake not joining in th TPP, we killed it. China was given free reign when we
Sat May 14, 2022, 08:18 AM
May 2022

bowed out. Obama was correct about pushing it but its opponents will never admit it. In fact, Trump used its patent provisions in his renegotiation of NAFTA..but who reads, who cares?

Demsrule86

(68,747 posts)
47. The TPP allowed countries with slavery to join...so no we didn't. You start favoring outsourcing
Sat May 14, 2022, 06:03 PM
May 2022

again as a party and kiss the Rustbelt goodbye.

KS Toronado

(17,407 posts)
13. We don't need safety nets in this country
Sat May 14, 2022, 08:24 AM
May 2022

This is America where everyone can pick himself up by the boot straps and stand on his own 2 feet w/o
government help, even those in wheelchairs according to repugs. The only empathy they have is
directed towards the wealthy giving them more tax breaks.

Baitball Blogger

(46,775 posts)
14. The reality is that they have community welfare that comes from their own churches
Sat May 14, 2022, 08:29 AM
May 2022

and neighbors. Sounds like a good deal, but it's a very selective group. I've even seen them help out some very nasty kind of people, until I put it together that he supported their causes, and of course he would come across as a nasty piece of work to me. I was the target and his derision towards me earned him loyalty points with the others.

EYESORE 9001

(26,022 posts)
16. Until they're personally afflicted in some way
Sat May 14, 2022, 08:42 AM
May 2022

Then they pull out the stops to gin up sympathy for their plight.

AllyCat

(16,251 posts)
30. There are dangerous idiots all over Twitter hawking recipes
Sat May 14, 2022, 10:02 AM
May 2022

For “homemade baby formula” like grandma used to make!

IronLionZion

(45,601 posts)
34. There are idiots recommending raw unpasteurized milk
Sat May 14, 2022, 11:39 AM
May 2022

it's like these people don't bother asking their pediatrician anymore

IronLionZion

(45,601 posts)
21. They're telling their idiot viewers that Biden is sending formula to immigrant babies at the border
Sat May 14, 2022, 09:20 AM
May 2022

not a peep about Trump preventing imports from Canada and Europe. The Europe issue is because of their labels don't meet US FDA standards. The formula itself is probably safe, it's just the labels aren't good enough. The Canada issue is pure Trump idiocy.

I don't know why the Biden admin doesn't just end the Canada restriction through EO but they have chosen to encourage increased American production which takes longer to ramp up. They've also loosened restrictions on WIC so moms can buy more brands if available.

American babies are the latest casualty in the "pro-life" party's war on globalism.

paleotn

(17,994 posts)
20. Exactly. The domestic supply chain was "hand to mouth"
Sat May 14, 2022, 09:19 AM
May 2022

We simply don't have the domestic capacity anymore. Capacity takes time and money. It doesn't appear like fucking magic. Something idiotic Rethugs and their moronic voters just can't grasp. For someone like me who's dealt this these supply chain issues pre-Covid, it hits close to home. For certain things there's simply limited domestic supply. In many cases ZERO domestic supply. The capacity to produce those things died and was offshored 30 years ago.

Baitball Blogger

(46,775 posts)
27. +1
Sat May 14, 2022, 09:36 AM
May 2022

Agree. We are just scratching the surface of the vulnerabilities we created with the outsourcing/offshore years.

Tickle

(2,584 posts)
28. You are so correct
Sat May 14, 2022, 09:36 AM
May 2022

We killed it 30 years ago so we could buy cheap. What I don’t understand is for two years we have faced the bad part of outsourcing and yet what have we done to change it?

DBoon

(22,414 posts)
46. "The capacity to produce those things died and was offshored 30 years ago"
Sat May 14, 2022, 05:51 PM
May 2022

Under the reign of Saint Ronnie, to destroy the living standards of American manufacturing workers, destroy their unions, and convince them Democrats are evil.

Demsrule86

(68,747 posts)
40. I do not believe in importing vaccines or things like baby formula there are factories that
Sat May 14, 2022, 12:56 PM
May 2022

could be reconfigured to make baby formula...sending manufacturing overseas is a national security issue.

AllyCat

(16,251 posts)
42. Sure. But that takes time. Open imports would help the immediate
Sat May 14, 2022, 01:19 PM
May 2022

Issue. Then we have supply in the months it would take to retool a factory.

Demsrule86

(68,747 posts)
48. It can be done. And I dated a guy who worked for Bristol Meyers...some of that baby food
Sat May 14, 2022, 06:05 PM
May 2022

made overseas is not great quality...he quit over a bad batch. We need to make our own stuff. It is a national security issue.

atreides1

(16,101 posts)
52. It can be done
Sat May 14, 2022, 10:44 PM
May 2022

But who's going to do it?

Which company is going to pay a livable wage to American workers so that products can be manufactured here?

These are two very important questions that need to be answered...

In It to Win It

(8,299 posts)
43. I don't disagree with you but that's a long term view.
Sat May 14, 2022, 01:38 PM
May 2022

The shortage is happening now. Reconfiguring factories would require a lot of time and capital that not many people would be willing to risk, and I'm assuming you're referring to unused large scale factories. Unless the company is already a big and established player, many financing sources wouldn't consider funding a factory reconfiguration.

Let's say that the general consensus is that importing baby formula is a national security issue. To me, that would also make only having 3 companies be the primary producers of baby formula for the entire country also a national security risk. If just one company stops producing for any reason, that causes is a nationwide shortage just like the one we are experiencing now.

A new baby formula competitor to the established companies can't pop up overnight, or over a few months. It would take years for a company to be a true competitor to the existing players. That would apply to most of the major industries that require physical large scale manufacturing, like vaccines and baby formula.

To ease the pressure on a shortage immediately, a country would have to allow imports... or if not, suffer through it in the meantime.

But once the shortage stops, I'm pretty sure most people will go back to not caring.

Demsrule86

(68,747 posts)
49. No, because companies want the lower cost manufacturing...bowl of rice manufacturing as
Sat May 14, 2022, 06:10 PM
May 2022

I call it and will deliberately spike shortages to continue...get a food factory and reconfigure for baby formula. Already baby food imported has been shown to contain arsenic.

In It to Win It

(8,299 posts)
50. Ok, so what do you do in the meantime?
Sat May 14, 2022, 06:23 PM
May 2022

Reconfiguring a food plant takes time, planning, and money. Somebody has to be willing to go through the task of reconfiguring a factory. The government isn’t gonna do it. Who do you get to do that right now when it counts?

My point is that a choice has to be made, either you suffer through the shortage and not import, or you import during the shortage. Reconfiguring a factory will take time, and therefore it won’t solve the problem right now. What choice do you make to fix the problem right now?

pecosbob

(7,547 posts)
51. Two companies manufacture all the formula
Sat May 14, 2022, 07:57 PM
May 2022

Anytime you consolidate production you create a potential breakdown in supply. Regional manufacturing facilities for critical goods would not a bad thing. Centralized food production and distribution often leads to mass distribution of contaminated product. Companies make more money and their products are less safe to consume.

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