Erdoğan says Turkey will not approve Finnish and Swedish membership of Nato

[yaesu]

The Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, has said he will not approve Finland and Sweden joining Nato.

Reuters is reporting he has said Swedish and Finnish delegations should not bother coming to Turkey to convince Turkey to approve their Nato bids.

Finland and Sweden, while both Nato partners, have long viewed membership as an unnecessary provocation of Russia, their powerful eastern neighbor. Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine, however, has led to a radical rethink of their security policies.

Membership of Nato would require ratification by all existing members.




Erdoğan is a putin puppet just like tRump

[sunonmars]

1. Turkey needs booting from NATO, they are the fox in the henhouse....

NATO should not trust them and I dare say they don't.

I'd rather have Finland and Sweden than Erdogan and his ilk.

[AllyCat]

2. Except they are keeping the Russian Navy out of the Black Sea.

[brush]

16. How so? The two Russian ships the Ukrainians...

have attacked, one sunk and the other recently set afire, approached from the Ukraine Black Sea coast.

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. They're keeping the rest of the Russian navy out

They have closed the Straits of Bosphorus to all naval vessels.

https://news.usni.org/2022/02/28/turkey-closes-bosphorus-dardanelles-straits-to-warships

That has probably disadvantaged Russia; even under non-war rules, countries that don't have a Black Sea coastline are limited in the number of ships they can move there, so Russia would have potentially been able to move more through.

[AllyCat]

28. This

[tavernier]

36. The rest of the Russian Navy?

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Oh sorry. The fact that their two best ships are swimming with the fishes, compliments of Ukraine, I kind of had a problem visualizing a Russian naval tsunami.

[muriel_volestrangler]

38. The Northern Fleet is large, includes a ship twice the size of the Moskva

a sister ship of the Moskva, and much more. If it could enter the Black Sea, it'd be a problem.

[tavernier]

39. I totally believe you and not minimizing the continued horrors

of this war. I’m just hoping that they have overestimated their capabilities as they have so far.

[Darwins_Retriever]

7. I was about to call for their expulsion

They are not a Democracy.
They have been purchasing Russian anti-aircraft systems and they have advanced US fighters.
They attacked forces supported by the US in Syria.
They have Erdogan and his security team attacked protesters while in the US.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

27. And Turkey has been supplying Ukraine with lots of Bayraktor drones, very effective. . . . nt

[AllyCat]

29. Yup. I suspect Erdogan is trying to walk a fine line here.

[Moostache]

3. Well...that looks like Erdoğan has chosen to play for the other team...

Good bye Turkey, we hardly knew ye...

Replace them with Sweden and Norway and put Erdoğan on notice that ANY military move against NATO will result in his anihiliation.

Fuck him...what does he think he is? The Joe Manchin of NATO?

[maxsolomon]

6. The Joe Manchin of NATO is a perfect description.

He wants a quid pro quo.

[mitch96]

25. "He wants a quid pro quo." exactly.. What does he want? Methinks he wants something to do

with his Kurdish fetish. The religious leader in PA and Kurdish leaders in Europe who are against him...A thought..
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[Ray Bruns]

9. I think you meant Finland. Norway is already a NATO memeber.

[Budi]

11. Actually we already have in our elected Congress a loyal Erdogan ally

And that's why they voted NO on assistance to Ukraine & NO on NATO involvement

That one will also be known as the Joe Manchin of The House. Eh?

[Celerity]

19. Norway is a founding member of Nato, since the signing of the North Atlantic Treaty in 1949.

[dalton99a]

30. +1.

[no_hypocrisy]

4. Turkey is the Joe Manchin of NATO

[David__77]

5. Not surprising. Turkey holds a lot of leverage, and wants to maintain alright relations on both side

[sunonmars]

10. They are very sided with Russia now, I lived in Turkey, could not wait to leave.

Since Erdogan took over, the whole country has changed it is literally a Russian money pit these days. Erdogan and Putin are best buddies. The whole southern coast and majority of seaside resorts are Russian enclaves. The flights have not stopped from Russia to Turkey at all. Antalya is literally a Russian city these days.

They are not a reliable real ally and NATO knows it.

NATO do not trust them one bit.

Turkey joined NATO is 1952, they were enthusiastically pro west back then and very relaxed but a lot has happened since then but when Erdogan took over the situation changed dramatically, the relationship became very strained and difficult due to Erdogan's loyalties.

[Budi]

14. Yup. And Erdogan wants a Somali Oil deal.

He's got an ally or 2 in our elected House as well doing his bidding from our US Congress.

[PortTack]

8. Turkey's position is softening ...it's not a hard no

https://tvpworld.com/60180049/turkey-softens-stance-on-natos-nordic-expansion-but-wants-concerns-addressed

[sunonmars]

13. That was 2 days ago, Today its a hard NO. NEVER trust Erdogan, he's scum.

[Noahv]

18. Is the Reuters article from today? Or from two days ago?

There's no link.

[muriel_volestrangler]

22. Today - here:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/erdogan-says-swedish-finnish-delegations-should-not-bother-coming-turkey-2022-05-16/

[PortTack]

35. It's a back and forth. One military expert I follow, CPSCOTT stationed in the area many years

And has trained NATO troops says this isn’t the first time a country has had to be convinced. Anyway, he is convinced that Turkey will go along.

https://news.yahoo.com/nato-expects-turkey-not-hold-152511980.html

[BeyondGeography]

12. Will not disapprove either

Turkey wants our gear (F16s eg). Turkey doesn’t want to trade access to our military technology for tighter relations with the corpse of the USSR. Erdogan is saying he doesn’t want to hear from Sweden and Finland. I imagine he’ll pick up the phone when we call. I’d wager talks will continue.

[hlthe2b]

15. This was reported several days ago, but since then most analysts believe he will. Link?

[muriel_volestrangler]

23. Link in reply #22 (nt)

[yaesu]

33. The new news is Reuters reporting he has said Swedish and Finnish delegations should not bother

to show up and argue the point, negotiate.

[The Revolution]

17. Turkey has elections in about a year

We should let the Turkish people know they have a choice to stay in NATO or not.

NATO has had good reason to oust Turkey before this anyway.

[Celerity]

24. fuck this tinpot dictator

In a news conference on Monday, Erdogan repeated that Turkey would not approve their bids to join NATO, calling Sweden a "hatchery" for terrorist organisations, and adding it had terrorists in its parliament.

"Neither of these countries have a clear, open attitude towards terrorist organisation," Erdogan said. "How can we trust them?"

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/erdogan-says-swedish-finnish-delegations-should-not-bother-coming-turkey-2022-05-16/

[dalton99a]

32. And Erdogan is to be trusted?

Backstabbing piece of shit

[yaesu]

34. Well tRump did a deal with him to allow them to slaughter Kurds in the border region

I'm sure tRump got something out of it, a loan? but can't remember what was reported at the time.

[Lovie777]

26. I read Turkey will approve per Nato's head leader .....

[dalton99a]

31. It is time to expel Turkey from NATO.

[roamer65]

37. Turkey is NOT a democracy.

It should be kicked out.