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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,101 posts)
Tue May 17, 2022, 12:55 PM May 2022

Elon Musk Demands Clarity on Twitter Fake Accounts for Deal to Move Forward

Elon Musk said his $44 billion purchase of Twitter Inc. can’t move forward until the company is clearer about how many of its accounts are fake, casting fresh doubt on his planned takeover of the social-media company.

Mr. Musk’s latest comments add to questions about whether he is committed to concluding a deal that was struck amid a steep selloff in technology stocks. Last week, he said the deal was “on hold” over concerns about fake accounts on the platform—a problem that has long dogged social media companies.

In a tweet early Tuesday, Mr. Musk said that Twitter’s chief executive had refused to show proof that less than 5% of Twitter’s accounts were fake. “This deal cannot move forward until he does,” he said.

Mr. Musk said his offer was based on Twitter’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission being accurate, and added: “20% fake/spam accounts, while 4 times what Twitter claims, could be *much* higher.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/musk-demands-clarity-on-fake-twitter-users-for-deal-to-go-ahead/ar-AAXmOvg

He's surprised there are bots?

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Elon Musk Demands Clarity on Twitter Fake Accounts for Deal to Move Forward (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2022 OP
Goddamn what an idiot ColinC May 2022 #1
Well if they are lying in their annual report exboyfil May 2022 #4
They didn't want to sell it to him in the first place ColinC May 2022 #6
They had every right and opportuity Zeitghost May 2022 #23
And he had every right and opportunity ask more questions. ColinC May 2022 #24
Sounds like asking a question Zeitghost May 2022 #25
Actually it sounds like he didn't do that at all. He simply skipped the fine print ColinC May 2022 #26
Don't cover for the weasel Tesla stock dropped past the point analysts say is the "in trouble" price Hassin Bin Sober May 2022 #29
He was busy tweeting ColinC May 2022 #30
He's hoping for a reduction in price per share is my guess. herding cats May 2022 #5
If twitter is lying about the number of bots... Igirl May 2022 #10
It is fundamentally impossible to determine exactly how many bots there are in the way Elon wants. ColinC May 2022 #14
I don't think that's true Igirl May 2022 #15
Something he could have confirmed and considered before striking a deal ColinC May 2022 #16
Uhhhh....he has not signed the deal. Igirl May 2022 #20
What do you think of his latest twitter comments, troll? BannonsLiver May 2022 #21
I would just like to tell you jcgoldie May 2022 #27
Reuters: Musk signs deal without asking for more info ColinC May 2022 #28
Curious, why do you still defend Elon after he announced he is only voting Republican from now on? ColinC May 2022 #31
I just read that. Igirl May 2022 #35
So the union busting, the swatting of whistleblowers, the online harassment of Carlitos Brigante May 2022 #36
Not so complicated for you because Igirl May 2022 #39
Ha! "His ideals!" LMAO! Come on with that corny shit. I especially Carlitos Brigante May 2022 #45
Totally delusional. BannonsLiver May 2022 #37
I'm lost here Igirl May 2022 #40
"I'm lost here." BannonsLiver May 2022 #44
So you still defend Elon even after knowing that he is a Republican? ColinC May 2022 #38
His contribution to the environment Igirl May 2022 #41
His contributions are far more narrow than that of those ColinC May 2022 #42
It's his company. Igirl May 2022 #43
Imagine where Tesla would be without the like-minded people who actually developed the tech? ColinC May 2022 #46
He is jaw-jawing the price down, likely closer to 30, 35 billion usd or so Celerity May 2022 #17
Looking more and more like an impulse buy, with some afterthoughts showing up. Not unusual for Musk. TreasonousBastard May 2022 #2
Maybe he's mad Trump is using Twitter like a big bot? Captain Zero May 2022 #3
How many twitter accounts are fully real anyway? OhZone May 2022 #7
The same thing happened with Facebook leftstreet May 2022 #13
Talk about cold feet. tinrobot May 2022 #8
Musk agreed to pat $54 a share Claire Oh Nette May 2022 #9
He thought he could recoup money charging user fees. Bots have no money... haele May 2022 #11
A convenient way for him to back out now that his buyer's remorse has set in. SoonerPride May 2022 #12
After Cheetolini, I swear Elon Musk is the name I would most not like to hear again.... marmar May 2022 #18
That should've been an upfront stipulation, just damn Musk uponit7771 May 2022 #19
Poor Elon lost 12 Billion Dollars today so he's a little cranky... LetMyPeopleVote May 2022 #22
A 3rd party Twitter audit shows a whopping 70.2% of Elon Musk's twitter followers are fake. tenderfoot May 2022 #32
Well, now. That's interesting. crickets May 2022 #33
"Now that I got the attention I crave, it's time to move on" struggle4progress May 2022 #34

ColinC

(8,304 posts)
1. Goddamn what an idiot
Tue May 17, 2022, 12:58 PM
May 2022

He basically coerced the company into selling it to him and now he's complaining about the product. What a POS

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
4. Well if they are lying in their annual report
Tue May 17, 2022, 01:10 PM
May 2022

Then that is a problem for all investors. I have no sympathy for Musk, but he relied on those reports when he made his offer.

ColinC

(8,304 posts)
6. They didn't want to sell it to him in the first place
Tue May 17, 2022, 01:14 PM
May 2022

He ranted and raved and coerced the company and its investors into a deal. That was not an "offer," it was an ambush. Now he's complaining about it because he's an entitled prick with sketchy motives.

ColinC

(8,304 posts)
24. And he had every right and opportunity ask more questions.
Wed May 18, 2022, 07:45 PM
May 2022

Instead, like an entitled prick, he threw a fit until he got what he wanted and ignored the details.

Zeitghost

(3,865 posts)
25. Sounds like asking a question
Wed May 18, 2022, 07:54 PM
May 2022

Is exactly what he did and he was not satisfied with Twitters answer.

I've made offers on homes and then withdrew after further inspection. And this sale has a few more zero's involved in the sale price.

That said, I'm not sure what that has to do with your claim that Twitter was somehow manipulated or forced into selling.

ColinC

(8,304 posts)
26. Actually it sounds like he didn't do that at all. He simply skipped the fine print
Wed May 18, 2022, 08:10 PM
May 2022

And signed the deal. He waited weeks before even addressing the issue.

My claim is that he is an entitled prick. Based on his whining and complaining about twitter not selling to him until he got what he wanted, as well as ignoring the fine print and rushing into a billion dollar deal without the due diligence.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,331 posts)
29. Don't cover for the weasel Tesla stock dropped past the point analysts say is the "in trouble" price
Wed May 18, 2022, 08:46 PM
May 2022

He’s over leveraged and he knows it.

He says he can do his own analysis to show bots are a larger percentage. Question is, why didn’t he do this prior to the offer?

herding cats

(19,566 posts)
5. He's hoping for a reduction in price per share is my guess.
Tue May 17, 2022, 01:11 PM
May 2022

At a glance it appears he knowingly and deliberately made statements to cause people to leave the platform and scare investors. The stock has dropped dramatically since he began his campaign to undermine its worth post his offer.

He hinted yesterday a deal for a lower price wasn't out of the question. He's manipulating the deal in a way which should be illegal I would think, but he's mega rich so I'm sure there's some loophole he plans to use a plebeian such as myself would not have access to.

 

Igirl

(80 posts)
10. If twitter is lying about the number of bots...
Tue May 17, 2022, 03:47 PM
May 2022

Then they are lying to the SEC. The only thing he is paying for is users. If the users are wrong then so is the valuation.

ColinC

(8,304 posts)
14. It is fundamentally impossible to determine exactly how many bots there are in the way Elon wants.
Tue May 17, 2022, 04:12 PM
May 2022

BTW: Welcome to DU!

 

Igirl

(80 posts)
15. I don't think that's true
Tue May 17, 2022, 04:41 PM
May 2022

Any large company goes through due diligence Pryor to sale. If you can validate the numbers, you don’t have a product.

ColinC

(8,304 posts)
16. Something he could have confirmed and considered before striking a deal
Tue May 17, 2022, 05:57 PM
May 2022

Instead he coerced the company to sell it to him, skips the fine print, rushes through signing and then complains about the product after. Totally makes sense 😂

 

Igirl

(80 posts)
20. Uhhhh....he has not signed the deal.
Tue May 17, 2022, 10:55 PM
May 2022

He is in due diligence where twitter needs to provide the data. Once they prove the data then it moves to signing a deal. 🙄

jcgoldie

(11,635 posts)
27. I would just like to tell you
Wed May 18, 2022, 08:11 PM
May 2022

...because I have thought it many times but never done so, that you have one of my favorite usernames on DU. Cheers.

ColinC

(8,304 posts)
31. Curious, why do you still defend Elon after he announced he is only voting Republican from now on?
Wed May 18, 2022, 09:26 PM
May 2022
 

Igirl

(80 posts)
35. I just read that.
Thu May 19, 2022, 01:25 PM
May 2022

That announcement was after my comments…but…
Does that diminish what his contribution is to our environment and his advancement of EV and green energy…no. He has one vote. The same as all of us.
Maybe more consuming to my thought process is that he has changed his vote. He can have anything in the world and he is devoted to green technology….but he’s changed his vote.

Carlitos Brigante

(26,501 posts)
36. So the union busting, the swatting of whistleblowers, the online harassment of
Thu May 19, 2022, 01:36 PM
May 2022

people with zero power or resources to fight back, etc. etc., that's all good? Got it!

It's also not as simple as "he only has one vote". He is building a massive propaganda apparatus and pimping republican extreme right bullshit. Because he is only committed to himself and his bottom line. If he gave two shit about the environment, he wouldn't be aligning with climate change deniers and lunatics. FFS, it's not that complicated.

 

Igirl

(80 posts)
39. Not so complicated for you because
Thu May 19, 2022, 05:53 PM
May 2022

You have the delusion that the world is black and white. All republicans deny climate change and all democrats love unions. No democrats love guns and all violence is from Republicans. Someone who voted D for 25 years and commits to vote R tomorrow means war on his ideals that have done more for the planet than any any other Democrat or Republican in the last 5 years.

Carlitos Brigante

(26,501 posts)
45. Ha! "His ideals!" LMAO! Come on with that corny shit. I especially
Thu May 19, 2022, 08:51 PM
May 2022

love the part where you dismissed everything with "black and white". Bet it sounded super deep in your head too. Seriously, what is it with the weird celebrity worship. I mean, I guess, "me want money and power" counts as an "ideal", in some twisted way.

OH, and he didn't just decide yesterday that the *libs are out oppressing people ". If he truly believes this. He'd have to be an idiot or a sociopath. If that's what you think of your boy. Then I don't know what to tell you. I'm going with option 3. Which is he's doing all this performance art to manipulate the markets. Make more dough, and on and on.

 

Igirl

(80 posts)
40. I'm lost here
Thu May 19, 2022, 05:54 PM
May 2022

The guy that’s done more for EV vehicles than anyone on the planet? His company has invented the battery technology that makes solar and wind energy viable for cities and residential?

 

Igirl

(80 posts)
41. His contribution to the environment
Thu May 19, 2022, 05:55 PM
May 2022

Yes. If you want to go through history and erase every contribution from someone that you don’t agree with politically, it’s a narrow world view.

ColinC

(8,304 posts)
42. His contributions are far more narrow than that of those
Thu May 19, 2022, 06:04 PM
May 2022

Who actually developed and marketed the tech which you credit. He largely did nothing more than obtain the capital.

 

Igirl

(80 posts)
43. It's his company.
Thu May 19, 2022, 06:22 PM
May 2022

It’s his vision. He actually does participate in the process to the extent of actually visualizing the products like solar shingles that the teams design. Would the technology be where it is today without Musk and Tesla? No.

ColinC

(8,304 posts)
46. Imagine where Tesla would be without the like-minded people who actually developed the tech?
Fri May 20, 2022, 02:48 AM
May 2022


I find it pathetic that people disregard the accomplishments of actual people in favor of megalomaniacs and billionaires.

Celerity

(43,461 posts)
17. He is jaw-jawing the price down, likely closer to 30, 35 billion usd or so
Tue May 17, 2022, 08:55 PM
May 2022

He has the board over a barrel.

Sure they could sue him, but he will tie then up in courts for years as the firm likely further haemorrhages market cap valuation

Captain Zero

(6,820 posts)
3. Maybe he's mad Trump is using Twitter like a big bot?
Tue May 17, 2022, 01:08 PM
May 2022

Now Trump is disseminating links for his truthsocial on twitter today.
I think Elon found this out a week or two ago because it explains a lot of his squirrel moves.

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
7. How many twitter accounts are fully real anyway?
Tue May 17, 2022, 01:42 PM
May 2022

I mean, even beyond spam and bots, regular users use pseudonyms / "pen names."

Even I use an abbreviated version of my name there.

Artists looking for commissions have all kinds of weird names, including pretend company names.

Oh, and I bet there are plenty of catish too.

Oh, and there are the parody accounts like Devin Nunes’ cow!

Including all those, I wouldn't be surprised if only 20% of users were "real" ha

Does he even understand what social media is?

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
13. The same thing happened with Facebook
Tue May 17, 2022, 03:58 PM
May 2022

Back around 2012 ish when Zuckerberg took it public. I remember articles about skewed numbers during the offering because so many users had extra accounts to play games, etc

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
9. Musk agreed to pat $54 a share
Tue May 17, 2022, 03:33 PM
May 2022

Stock trading @$40 per share.

Side note: permanently banned fro twitter for commenting on Ted Cruz's post.
Only complaints came fro MTG, Cawthron, and Cancun Cruz. I don't wanna hear about Twitter's bias against conservatives!

haele

(12,663 posts)
11. He thought he could recoup money charging user fees. Bots have no money...
Tue May 17, 2022, 03:53 PM
May 2022

But since even casual Twitter users have known that anywhere from 15 -20% of Twitter is bots, and another 20% are sock puppets, he should have been able to figure out that only half of Twitter is probably real and can be further monetized.
But since he's an egotistical boy-troll, it probably never occurred to him that a good number of his Twitter followers are not real individuals.

Haele

marmar

(77,084 posts)
18. After Cheetolini, I swear Elon Musk is the name I would most not like to hear again....
Tue May 17, 2022, 08:57 PM
May 2022

.... until it's on a blue plaque.


tenderfoot

(8,438 posts)
32. A 3rd party Twitter audit shows a whopping 70.2% of Elon Musk's twitter followers are fake.
Wed May 18, 2022, 09:29 PM
May 2022



BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: A 3rd party Twitter audit shows a whopping 70.2% of Elon Musk's twitter followers are fake.

Is Elon using bots to manipulate Twitter? 🤔

We performed an audit using a tool created by the Washington state based software company SparkToro, which analyzes Twitter followers of any account, and examines 25+ factors to identify the percentage of "bots" and other "fake" followers that follow the account.

The audit revealed that Elon Musk's twitter account not only had more fake followers than most, but revealed details about a number of his 93,790,063 followers.

41% of Elon Musk's sampled twitter followers had display names that matched spam-correlated signals.

83% of Elon Musk's sampled followers have a suspiciously small number of followers.

78% of Elon Musk's sampled followers follow an unusually small number of accounts.

71% of Elon Musk's sampled followers used a location that does not match any known place name.

For someone who says the purchase of Twitter hinges on the number of bots on the platform, Elon Musk’s unusually high number of fake followers should be of significant interest to the public./

crickets

(25,981 posts)
33. Well, now. That's interesting.
Thu May 19, 2022, 12:38 AM
May 2022

Elon, faking his own popularity? Say it ain't so! *insert appropriate Shakespearean quote here*

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