Per MSNBC (via Gov Abbott) 14 children and a teacher now dead, plus the suspect is dead as well

[Celerity]

Uvalde, Texas is around 80% Latino/Hispanic


14 students, one teacher killed in Texas elementary school shooting

An 18-year-old suspect was fatally wounded by responding law enforcers, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-respond-active-shooter-texas-elementary-school-rcna30339

[nolabear]

1. No words. Just no words.

[Celerity]

2. it is fucking madness

[MissB]

3. Omg

It shouldn’t shock me anymore. But kids, man.

[Celerity]

5. they did not say how many are in critical condition yet, so this horrific total may rise

[AngryOldDem]

4. I can't take this anymore!

14 children.

Fourteen.

Right now I really hate this country and its love affair with guns.

[Better Days Ahoy]

15. Agree 200%

So so so tired of bullshit. Portugal is looking better and better. This country sucks on so many levels.

[senseandsensibility]

6. Shooter 18 years old

per CNN.

[AngryOldDem]

8. He's confirmed dead, correct?

[Celerity]

10. yes

[senseandsensibility]

11. Yes

from what I heard on CNN.

[Celerity]

9. they just said 19 years old now on MSBNC (they were saying 18 years old earlier)

[senseandsensibility]

12. Okay.

Seems to be a fluid situation. If Abbott had a press conference it should have been televised.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

7. This is what you wanted, Gov. Abbot. You and every Repug.

You chose guns over children's lives. This on all of you, you venal accomplices to murder.

[Music Man]

13. Fuck this shit.

This is a fucked up country.

[Vinca]

14. More little kids. And it looks like this town is on the border with Mexico so I won't

be surprised to learn this is "replacement theory" slaughter. Fucking guns.

[Celerity]

16. yes, definitely possible, as Uvalde, Texas is around 80% Latino

[Ishoutandscream2]

18. Uvalde is a nice town

I'm so sickened by this. My wife is a school psychologist, and she says several of her students, even middle schoolers, are capable of doing something like this.

[scipan]

22. SEVERAL??? I don't understand. How could that be?

What are children missing in their lives?

I grew up in the 50's and 60's. I was a black sheep and a rebel as a teenager. But I still have no way to relate to that.

[uponit7771]

23. +1,

[scipan]

24. I mean. I think I understand that guns being ubiquitous

are a real problem if you're an impulsive, angry 18 year old.

But what is the psychological reason for all this? People with ASPD are only 1-4% of the population.

I can even understand a bit the racial animus. It's like when the military indoctrinated conscripts to go to Vietnam. They pound and pound into their heads that the enemy is somehow less than human.

But this is more prevalent than that. It's not enough to just say the world has gone crazy. It's something in our culture as well as all the guns and even the gun culture.

[uponit7771]

25. +1, the Sandy hook lawsuit confirms your last statement; they advertise war weapons to kids ...

... and we should sue the shit out of them for this.

[scipan]

27. I am uninformed. Boys, when I was growing up, usually

liked (fake) guns and playing at battles.

Doesn't it seem like a major leap from that to this?

Thank you for responding to my original post. So nice to have a conversation.

[uponit7771]

28. Yes its a bigger leap because the gun now is a PGR (pistol grip rifle) which is a war weapon when

... I grew up their were cap guns and cap rifles we knew were harmless.

The gun advertisers now target children with weapons that are real, its NO DOUBT gumpers ratcheting up the advertising

[scipan]

29. Strange. "Pistol grip rifle" Google returns 0 results.

Must be a lock on ppl searching to buy. Thanks again

[uponit7771]

31. Links to cali law on PGR's ...

https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2021/california-assault-weapons-ban/

https://monstermangrip.com/legal-info

These laws should be nationwide, its the pistol grip that allows for mass kills easier under rapid fire than a straight stock rifle that's automatic.

https://www.vpc.org/studies/hosesix.htm

Do assault weapons really encourage "spray firing"? Gun industry apologists also disparage the use of such terms as "spray firing" and "shooting from the hip" to describe the deadly capabilities of assault weapons. But, as was explained earlier, "spray and pray" was exactly the point of developing assault weapons. And the following illustrations show graphically how specific assault weapons features allow a "point-and-shoot" grip and help control recoil so the shooter can "hose down" a wide area with a lethal "spray" of bullets.

[scipan]

32. +1000

[scipan]

30. Sandy Hook

In reference to that law, he said on Tuesday: “This case says that it may be a hard needle to thread, but it can be threaded.”

The lawsuit seized upon an exception built into the law that allows for litigation over sales and marketing practices that violate state and federal law. The families said that Remington, the gunmaker, violated a state consumer law by marketing and promoting their products in a way that encouraged illegal behavior.

The families pointed to the way the company portrayed the AR-15-style Bushmaster rifle as a weapon of war, with the use of slogans and product placement in video games that invoked combat violence. The lawsuit contended that hypermasculine themes — including an advertisement with a photograph of the weapon and the slogan “Consider your man card reissued” — specifically appealed to troubled young men, like the Sandy Hook gunman, who was 20.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/nyregion/sandy-hook-families-settlement.amp.html&ved=2ahUKEwiF_4Tqu_n3AhUhm44IHRauCf0QFnoECAMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3BdoB81f-e_FNTP_z1EVhK

[moonshinegnomie]

26. its 70 miles from the border

its about 80 miles west of san antonio

[Novara]

17. FUCK EVERY REPUBLICAN GUN HUMPER WITH A RUSTY CHAINSAW SIDEWAYS

MOTHERFUCKERS!

[Celerity]

19. ...

[Novara]

21. I am here for it

Motherfuckers love guns more than children. Some "pro-life," eh?

[edhopper]

20. Nothing will be done.

Except maybe giving school children guns.