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Soylent Brice

(8,308 posts)
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 09:28 PM Oct 2012

fuck you george lucas.

Okay, so I know with all the crazy shit going on on in the world, and all the more relevant topics that deserve attention, I know this is petty. But I don't give a fuck.

Fuck you George Lucas.

I'm a nerd. Hardcore #nerd4life.

So, when I read on LBN that Lucasfilm is selling to Disney I literally said out loud quite calmly, fuck you George Lucas.

I love star wars. I love Indy.

but Disney... Disney can go fuck themselves. Right in the face.

Just, I mean... why??

Fuck. Seriously. I mean, episode 1-3, yeah, it blew. It blew ass, but any chance to see lightsabers on the big screen, okay, I'm a sucker. You got me. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, okay you're pushing your fucking luck.

But this...

Just, ... Fuck YOU George Lucas.

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fuck you george lucas. (Original Post) Soylent Brice Oct 2012 OP
What do you have against Disney? nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #1
its mostly because of this: Soylent Brice Oct 2012 #3
LOL, all you know is cuss words. Hard to make your point. Logical Oct 2012 #33
Disney is a leader of the MPAA and a big force behind the insane copyright extensions (CTEA) & DRM. NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #10
Thankfully, negativland doesn't care what Disney thinks: kentauros Oct 2012 #19
It's corporate death entertainment. Lucky Luciano Oct 2012 #39
Not sure I understand what you mean by that term. Bake Oct 2012 #92
Just a joke basically Lucky Luciano Nov 2012 #104
Actually, an apt phrase. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #109
+1 HiPointDem Nov 2012 #100
The better question is, what does Disney have against mothers? Zalatix Oct 2012 #53
It seems kind of ironic that you would bring this up in a topic about Star Wars BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #59
Well he did (accidently) kill his own mother... Scurrilous Oct 2012 #77
I did a research paper once on the archetypal hero/heroine of fairy tales. Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #90
Bambi's mother died, didn't she? Zalatix Oct 2012 #91
mary poppins = dithering stupid mother. bambi = mom dies. parent trap = divorced parents, kids HiPointDem Nov 2012 #102
Superman, parents killed in planetary explosion BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #110
Seriously, Zalatix, how is this even remotely a good reason BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #113
Three words... Jamastiene Nov 2012 #97
Two words: BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #112
Yeah, but how do you *really* feel? KeepItReal Oct 2012 #2
Pixar, Marvel, LucasFilm exboyfil Oct 2012 #4
And ABC, ESPN, A dozen other cable channels, Studios, etc etc etc. tridim Oct 2012 #9
Their own stable? Brother Buzz Oct 2012 #22
Lion King (rip off of Kimba) exboyfil Oct 2012 #28
Solid, yes, and all three transitioned to attractions at the theme parks, then closed. Brother Buzz Oct 2012 #40
ILM abelenkpe Oct 2012 #31
Better Disney than Murdoch's News Corp David Zephyr Oct 2012 #81
I'm truly shocked that there doesn't seem to be an antitrust thing happening here. joshcryer Nov 2012 #107
For acquiring LUCASFILM? BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #111
Disney bought the Marvel franchise and there was even more nerdrage RomneyLies Oct 2012 #5
Unfortunately... teenagebambam Oct 2012 #36
Sorta incorrect.... Rosco T. Oct 2012 #82
nerdrage Berlum Oct 2012 #57
There's no if about it. joshcryer Nov 2012 #108
The man has been in the business for 47 years Major Nikon Oct 2012 #6
Who cares? panader0 Oct 2012 #7
Given the large number of Trekies, Gamers, and Star Wars fans... white_wolf Oct 2012 #38
Did you not see "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull?" Hissyspit Oct 2012 #8
Loved it, personally. They brought back Karen Allen even though she is an older woman now. Zalatix Oct 2012 #54
I love Karen Allen and liked the ending. Hissyspit Oct 2012 #73
The prequels really make me question if he quinnox Oct 2012 #11
Lucas only wrote and directed the original and SomethingFishy Oct 2012 #17
ah, so that explains it quinnox Oct 2012 #23
He co-wrote and directed American Graffiti. n/t ieoeja Oct 2012 #84
I personally think American Graffiti is Lucas' best overall work BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #93
Correction: Kasdan co-wrote EMPIRE. F. Kafka Oct 2012 #25
George Lucas is a genius who has revolutionized movie making in more ways than people realize RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #32
Spielberg was originally supposed to direct ROTJ LTR Oct 2012 #55
IIRC, the union wanted to fine Lucas Seeking Serenity Oct 2012 #67
Ironically, that's become standard now LTR Oct 2012 #89
Just "A New Hope" aka Star Wars TheKentuckian Oct 2012 #26
Really only like the original abelenkpe Oct 2012 #35
Only two good Star Wars movies: the first and "Empire" (which is really good). Hissyspit Oct 2012 #42
I believe the deal was for over four billion dollars Motown_Johnny Oct 2012 #12
Greed is Good. GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #21
In this case it't not greed. He is giving the money to charity Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #114
I tried understanding this post BeyondGeography Oct 2012 #13
lol quinnox Oct 2012 #14
bingo. Soylent Brice Oct 2012 #18
yep quinnox Oct 2012 #29
+1 Johonny Oct 2012 #62
The man is 68 years old. What's wrong with him taking retirement? lynne Oct 2012 #15
He did not work $4 billion worth. morningfog Oct 2012 #20
It seems that is between him and the board and shareholders of Disney exboyfil Oct 2012 #44
So if Disney offered you $4B for your business: Blue_Tires Oct 2012 #65
and he's giving half to education TexasBushwhacker Nov 2012 #98
correction: he's giving half to destroy education. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #103
this comment has been flagged for igmoring reality. TeamPooka Oct 2012 #70
Paid? jenw2 Oct 2012 #27
LMFAO.. So Lucas takes a wall of shit for "ruining" the prequels SomethingFishy Oct 2012 #16
Jackson? Del Toro? Star Wars? LTR Oct 2012 #34
What this guy said AngryAmish Oct 2012 #61
Good call. Dr. Strange Oct 2012 #79
Actually, Lucas is scheduled to make episode VII in 2013. ieoeja Oct 2012 #85
Noooooooooooo! Dr. Strange Oct 2012 #87
It's 2015, and he's only going to be creative consultant BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #94
well, at least Disney is stable and will keep it as a cherished investment DonRedwood Oct 2012 #24
LOL, I am sure he is so sad you are unhappy! Logical Oct 2012 #30
The dialogue and acting will most likely improve LTR Oct 2012 #37
YES! Arctic Dave Oct 2012 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Puzzledtraveller Oct 2012 #43
Two words: Jar-Jar Binks Hugabear Oct 2012 #45
exactly quinnox Oct 2012 #49
$4 billion for him v. making you happy onenote Oct 2012 #46
Yes, he's crying all the way to the bank. Wednesdays Oct 2012 #50
Hmmm choices? Ganja Ninja Oct 2012 #80
People are funny BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #47
I agree LTR Oct 2012 #52
Nerdrage!!!!!!!!!!!! Marrah_G Oct 2012 #48
he's spiteful and evil; check out his attempt to build a mega-mansion in marin county, ca amborin Oct 2012 #51
LOL! MadHound Oct 2012 #56
Fanboyism really is such a sad disease. CBGLuthier Oct 2012 #58
OH RATS! RepublicanElephant Oct 2012 #60
I see Mickey on his knees, clutching the stump where his hand used to be. randome Oct 2012 #63
Leia is now a Disney Princess! n/t backscatter712 Oct 2012 #64
Ha ha! Good point. begin_within Oct 2012 #69
Well, it will be fun looking for all the hidden dicks in the background City of Mills Oct 2012 #66
The "Star Wars X-mas" special came out between New Hope and Empire. Lucas has been ruining Star Wars Erose999 Oct 2012 #68
Patton Oswalt said it best. Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #71
*lulz* XemaSab Nov 2012 #105
It's his property to do with as he sees fit... cynatnite Oct 2012 #72
Take a deep breath and reflect on life... Javaman Oct 2012 #74
I wonder if in my parents generation, there was this much hue and cry when General Tires bought RKO. LanternWaste Oct 2012 #75
A sample to look forward to jeff47 Oct 2012 #76
Oh please, just get over it demwing Oct 2012 #78
Have a read with details and transcripts from a real nerd site :) Rosco T. Oct 2012 #83
They haven't made a good movie in years, honestly. Dash87 Oct 2012 #86
Check this out. SJohnson5677 Oct 2012 #88
Prepare yourself. Jamastiene Nov 2012 #95
You are aware that Disney also owns Touchstone Pictures, right? BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #99
What the fuck man...Disney is the best for Sci-fi!! vaberella Nov 2012 #96
It makes sense, in a strange sort of way. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #101
What's going to blow your mind is when the next Star Wars movie is akin to 2009 Star Trek. joshcryer Nov 2012 #106
Hard-core fans of Douglas Adams said the same thing when he sold out to Disney Flaxbee Nov 2012 #115
So...how do you think they'll work Tinkerbell into Star Wars Episode VII? Junkdrawer Nov 2012 #116

NYC Liberal

(20,152 posts)
10. Disney is a leader of the MPAA and a big force behind the insane copyright extensions (CTEA) & DRM.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 09:41 PM
Oct 2012

There's also the "Disney Vault" (look it up if you haven't heard of it).

Lucas has allowed and encouraged fan works for years. You can kiss all that goodbye with Disney.

Lucky Luciano

(11,283 posts)
39. It's corporate death entertainment.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:56 PM
Oct 2012

Starbucks = corporate death coffee.
Walmart = corporate death retail.

etc

Bake

(21,977 posts)
92. Not sure I understand what you mean by that term.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 09:28 PM
Oct 2012

But I love Starbucks French Roast ... and I'm not dead yet.

Bake

Lucky Luciano

(11,283 posts)
104. Just a joke basically
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 06:39 AM
Nov 2012

My brother used to say it actually to refer to anything that is highly commercialized and corporate as opposed to small business/independent.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
109. Actually, an apt phrase.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 07:25 AM
Nov 2012

As more and more small businesses disappear.
I miss the "human touch" of our now gone local stores.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
53. The better question is, what does Disney have against mothers?
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:52 AM
Oct 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roles_of_mothers_in_Disney_media

The heroes and heroines of most Disney movies come from unstable family backgrounds;[1] most are either orphaned or have no mothers.[2] Few, if any, have only single mothers. In other instances, mothers are presented as "bad surrogates" eventually "punished for their misdeeds."[3] There is much debate about the reasoning behind this phenomenon.[4]

There is no debate as far as I'm concerned; Disney has a long pattern of doing this, which is why I try to steer my family away from them as much as possible.

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
59. It seems kind of ironic that you would bring this up in a topic about Star Wars
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:38 AM
Oct 2012

considering Anakin has no father and witnesses his mother's death at the hands of Sand People, Luke and Leia's biological mother dies in childbirth while their father is the epitome of evil in the galaxy who has Luke's surrogate parents brutally murdered and who aids in the death of Leia's adopted family though early EU sources seem to hold that by the time Alderaan was destroyed, her adopted mother was already out of the picture.

The orphaned hero is a common theme in mythology.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
77. Well he did (accidently) kill his own mother...
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:21 PM
Oct 2012

<snip>

"Flora died in 1938 in an accident that plagued her son Walt with guilt for the rest of his life. After the success of their film Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Walt and Roy presented their parents with a new home in North Hollywood, near the Disney studios in Burbank, California. Less than a month after moving in, Flora complained to Walt and Roy of problems with the gas furnace in her new home. Studio repairmen were sent to the house, but the problem was not adequately fixed. Flora wrote a letter to her daughter Ruth describing the wonderful new home, but again complaining of the fumes from the furnace. A few days later, Flora died of asphyxiation caused by the fumes at age 70. She is entombed next to her husband in Glendale's Forest Lawn Memorial Park Cemetery."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flora_Call_Disney

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
90. I did a research paper once on the archetypal hero/heroine of fairy tales.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:23 PM
Oct 2012

I learned through that research that the mother/stepmother is an archetypal villain in fairy tales, which dates back centuries. So it didn't start with Disney and won't end there.

Disney tells fairy tales and follows a lot of times the prescribed formulas.

Still, there are good mothers. Dumbo's mother. Sleeping Beauty's mother. Pollyanna (the mother figure). The Parent Trap. Mary Poppins. Bambi.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
91. Bambi's mother died, didn't she?
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:27 PM
Oct 2012

That's the other problem with Disney - they kill a LOT of mothers in their stories. Far more than fathers.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
102. mary poppins = dithering stupid mother. bambi = mom dies. parent trap = divorced parents, kids
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 04:23 AM
Nov 2012

have to bring them back together. sleeping beauty = mother (& father) fail to protect child from witch's curse. pollyanna = orphan goes to live with dried up depressive aunt whom child has to save. dumbo = mom fails to protect child from bullying peers and is locked away.

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
110. Superman, parents killed in planetary explosion
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 01:22 PM
Nov 2012

Batman, parents killed by mugger; Spider-Man, raised by aunt and uncle, parents nowhere in evidence, uncle murdered in front of his eyes by mugging; King Arthur, either an orphan or given up by his parents for his own protection, depending on the version of the story, either way, never knew them; Citizen Kane, sent away by his mother to be raised basically by the bank; Frodo Baggins, orphan, raised by his uncle; Hamlet, father dead, mother likely helped kill him, in any case, married she married the murderer; Jane Eyre, orphan raised by evil aunt; all of Zeus' children in Greek mythology had a deadbeat dad by default, usually a product of rape. Going more recent, in George R.R. Martin's "Song of Ice & Fire cycle," the Stark children have no mother by the time we join the story, and they see their father betrayed and executed; Daenerys Stormborn was also orphaned when her father was overthrown as king; The Hunger Games, Katnis loses her father in a mining "accident" and her mother goes catatonic for years. And once again, Star Wars is populated by orphans.

According to Joseph Campbell in "The Hero with a Thousand Faces":

The folktales commonly support or supplant [the] theme of the exile with that of the despised one, or the handicapped: the abused youngest son or daughter, the orphan, stepchild, ugly duckling, or the squire of low degree […] In sum: the child of destiny has to face a long period of obscurity. This is a time of extreme danger, impediment, or disgrace. He is thrown inward to his own depths or outward to the unknown […] The myths agree that an extraordinary capacity is required to face and survive such experience.”

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
113. Seriously, Zalatix, how is this even remotely a good reason
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 01:59 PM
Nov 2012

for not allowing your kids to watch Disney films and media? Disney didn't start the orphaned hero thing, nor is it exclusive to Disney in our own era. You don't think it's important to give kids going through hard times, the loss of a parent, or the divorce of their parents, some hope that they'll survive and thrive? You don't think that they should have healthy role models? I guess the EVEN BETTER question would be, what do YOU have against orphans?

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
97. Three words...
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:25 AM
Nov 2012

The Jonas Brothers


There are more, but those three words should be enough to give anyone pause.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
2. Yeah, but how do you *really* feel?
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 09:31 PM
Oct 2012


George Lucas decided he wanted to get crazy paid... It's the American dream, right?

exboyfil

(17,880 posts)
4. Pixar, Marvel, LucasFilm
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 09:33 PM
Oct 2012

and their own stable. Has the Justice Department investigated antitrust considerations?

Brother Buzz

(36,569 posts)
22. Their own stable?
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:00 PM
Oct 2012

What serious material has Disney developed by themselves in the last thirty-forty years?

exboyfil

(17,880 posts)
28. Lion King (rip off of Kimba)
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:08 PM
Oct 2012

Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast. I think these are good entries that my children enjoyed when they were young. No Pixar but solid.

Brother Buzz

(36,569 posts)
40. Solid, yes, and all three transitioned to attractions at the theme parks, then closed.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:58 PM
Oct 2012

Does that tell you something? Disney need the whole package block busters to really thrive. Most of the stuff Disney has developed in the last few decades has been essentially glorified 'Made for TV' movies.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
31. ILM
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:19 PM
Oct 2012

Game of monopoly winding down with Disney winner take all.

According to cloud atlas movies in the future are all called disneys.

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
81. Better Disney than Murdoch's News Corp
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:48 PM
Oct 2012

Keep in mind: All three of those companies decided to sell heir businesses and put themselves on the market. They weren't greenmailed. Murdoch's News Corp -- which owns entertainment television networks and motion picture industries on top of their "news" properties -- could have gobbled these up, too. Murdoch is about to buy the Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times.

The three companies you mention sold their businesses. They sold. Disney will be a better steward of those three than Fox and a slew of others.

joshcryer

(62,297 posts)
107. I'm truly shocked that there doesn't seem to be an antitrust thing happening here.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 07:09 AM
Nov 2012

It's crazy. I hope it happens.

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
111. For acquiring LUCASFILM?
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 01:33 PM
Nov 2012

It's an independent production house that has released relatively few movies in its history; even ILM is far from the only game in town nowadays and WETA and Digital Domain have, arguably, knocked ILM from its perch as the premier F/X house in the world.

If you're talking about media consolidation in general, i.e., movies, newspapers, tv stations, then, yes, it's gone too far. But they'll keep pushing until we push back. As Romney perfectly exemplifies, the MO of corporations is to take advantage of every opportunity no matter how shady it might be.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
5. Disney bought the Marvel franchise and there was even more nerdrage
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 09:36 PM
Oct 2012

IF Disney does with the Star Wars franchise what they've done with the Marvel franchise, it will be th best thing that ever happened to Star Wars.

On top of that, a re-release of episodes IV - VI in the uncut, un-enhanced, originally screened versions is about a 1000% more likely than it was a day ago.

teenagebambam

(1,592 posts)
36. Unfortunately...
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:23 PM
Oct 2012

Fox still retains rights to all existing Star Wars properties. So no Orig Theatrical Version Blu-Rays anytime soon

Rosco T.

(6,496 posts)
82. Sorta incorrect....
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 02:03 PM
Oct 2012

Fox's control of the existing ends in 2020 (except episode 4, they have the rights to that 'in perpetuity'. Disney has rights to use ALL existing characters, properties, etc in any project they wish).

joshcryer

(62,297 posts)
108. There's no if about it.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 07:10 AM
Nov 2012

It will happen. That's going to cause a lot of people to lose their collective shit.

Disney knows how to copy-test and get consumers on board.

It's a sad truth, but that's how it is. They're the Wal-Mart of media.

Major Nikon

(36,850 posts)
6. The man has been in the business for 47 years
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 09:36 PM
Oct 2012

In January he said he wanted to ease out of the business of making big budget films and work his way into semi-retirement. Don't you think he's earned that right?

panader0

(25,816 posts)
7. Who cares?
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 09:37 PM
Oct 2012

Star Wars, Star trek, video games....
Gawd, I'm glad I'm old enough that I didn't have to go through all that shit.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
38. Given the large number of Trekies, Gamers, and Star Wars fans...
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:34 PM
Oct 2012

I'd say at least a few million care.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
54. Loved it, personally. They brought back Karen Allen even though she is an older woman now.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:58 AM
Oct 2012

Older, not a supermodel, but damn good looking and damned good movie acting skills to boot. The fact that Indy settled down with the mother of his kid and stepped up to his responsibilities upon finding out he was a father, was cooler than the entire plot ever could be. It was the crowning glory of the whole movie.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
73. I love Karen Allen and liked the ending.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 12:28 PM
Oct 2012

I think it was pretty much the whole rest of the movie everyone hated. Aliens?

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
17. Lucas only wrote and directed the original and
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 09:56 PM
Oct 2012

the prequels. The other two films he got story credit. Lawrence Kasdan directed Empire and Richard Marquand directed Jedi..

And regardless of what people think of Lucas's "skills" it cannot be denied that he changed the face of movies. From special effects, (ILM) to computer animation (Pixar) to THX sound and digital projection, Lucas was always ahead of the curve. Hardly a "hack".

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
23. ah, so that explains it
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:01 PM
Oct 2012

No wonder Empire was so good, he wasn't behind the camera. So Lucas did one good movie in his career, Star Wars. It just happened to be a mega blockbuster that became a world wide success and spawned a franchise. Yea, he was an innovator in the special effects side and so on, I'll admit that. I still think the prequels show he was pretty much a hack when it comes to making movies as a director. Painful to watch those movies IMHO.

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
93. I personally think American Graffiti is Lucas' best overall work
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:13 AM
Nov 2012

THX-1138, Lucas' first film, is also a good dark sci-fi.

 
32. George Lucas is a genius who has revolutionized movie making in more ways than people realize
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:19 PM
Oct 2012


Thank you for pointing out we have him to thank for PIXAR.

ILM is responsible for special effects on all kinds of movies Pirates of the Caribbean, Iron Man, Jurassic Park, Night at the Museum etc pretty much 80% of special effects on major blockbusters.

My kids are huge fans, not just of Star Wars but of all his work and he really deserves more credit.

We were all a bit shocked at this news, but Disney has not ruined PIXAR (yet) and like someone said upthread, if they do what they did with Marvel, everyone will be better off.

There are all kinds of directions to go with Star Wars, books have already been written. George Lucas has been holding it back.

LTR

(13,227 posts)
55. Spielberg was originally supposed to direct ROTJ
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:58 AM
Oct 2012

Lucas wanted his buddy to direct Ep. VI, but the Director's Guild would not allow it. Lucas quit the guild after the previous one because they fined him over some anal retentive thing. And because he quit the guild, he was limited as to who he could work with. And since Spielberg was a union member, they wouldn't let him work on a non-union flick.

With the Star Wars franchise now back in a union shop, there are many more options as to who can participate.

Seeking Serenity

(2,845 posts)
67. IIRC, the union wanted to fine Lucas
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 11:51 AM
Oct 2012

because he insisted on running the credits, all of them, on his Star Wars movies at the END of the movie. Notice on almost all movies, the main players -- lead actors, directors, producers, cinematographers, composers, etc. -- get their credits at the beginning (to ensure that most people will see them). In Star Wars, Lucas, because of the way he chose to open the films, put all credits at the end. That was against union rules. That's why he quit.

LTR

(13,227 posts)
89. Ironically, that's become standard now
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:40 PM
Oct 2012

Before Star Wars, the standard on all movies was to run full credits at the beginning of the film, rather than at the end. Now, it's the other way around.

They let Lucas do it for Star Wars, then fined him for doing it on TESB. He quit the guild in protest and hasn't returned.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
42. Only two good Star Wars movies: the first and "Empire" (which is really good).
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:07 PM
Oct 2012

Prequels: Nah. "Jedi:" Some good moments but a rehash of the first movie to a good degree ... and teddy bears.

BeyondGeography

(39,437 posts)
13. I tried understanding this post
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 09:44 PM
Oct 2012

It took a couple of readings and some reflection.

Now I want my two minutes back.

lynne

(3,118 posts)
15. The man is 68 years old. What's wrong with him taking retirement?
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 09:48 PM
Oct 2012

His retirement plan was selling Lucasfilm. He worked hard, he gave you and others tons of enjoyment, he deserves to get paid to pass on his creative work and legacy.

You're acting like you're 12 years old. Get over yourself. Seriously.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
20. He did not work $4 billion worth.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 09:59 PM
Oct 2012

No one ever has. I really don't care at all about Star Wars, Lucasfilm or Disney.

exboyfil

(17,880 posts)
44. It seems that is between him and the board and shareholders of Disney
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:09 PM
Oct 2012

You are worth what the market will give you. At least he isn't getting his money funnelled to him by the government. It is an arm's length transaction. Whether Disney can get $4B out of the franchise? Well I have my doubts. Star Wars is not that big to my children. I think it is fading.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
65. So if Disney offered you $4B for your business:
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 11:14 AM
Oct 2012

"Um, Disney, your offer is way too generous and overstated...You all realize I didn't put $4 billion worth of time and effort into this, right?? Take your check back and return with a more realistic estimate!"

TexasBushwhacker

(20,357 posts)
98. and he's giving half to education
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:53 AM
Nov 2012

and he's signed the Giving Pledge started by Bill and Melinda Gates and Warren Buffett.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
16. LMFAO.. So Lucas takes a wall of shit for "ruining" the prequels
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 09:52 PM
Oct 2012

and now you are mad at him for selling off?


I for one am damn glad to see SW handed off to a new generation.. Imagine a Star Wars movie written by Timothy Zahn and directed by someone like Joss Whedon, or John Lassiter who are both working under the Disney banner.

Or if you really want to hope imagine Star Wars directed by someone like Peter Jackson or Gillermo Del Toro..

In spite of people wanting to harp on Disney, they did good things with Pixar and with Marvel.

I spent the summer of 1976 in the movie theater watching Star Wars over and over. I have seen all the films many times, I have read all the comics and I follow the Expanded Universe in the books. I am the quintessential SW fan and I am quite hopeful of it's future.

Disney knows it just bought what if done right will be a cash cow for generations to come, I seriously doubt they will fuck this up. They did a damn good job on The Avengers.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
61. What this guy said
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 10:46 AM
Oct 2012

Joss Whedon doing a Star Wars makes me hopeful. Firfly was really just a Han Solo story.

Dr. Strange

(25,950 posts)
79. Good call.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:28 PM
Oct 2012

At first, I was upset that Lucas wasn't doing anything after ROTJ. But then he did the prequels, and I think I'd prefer that he not do anything Star Wars related--at least not with him as director. The idea of seeing new SW movies done by directors like Whedon...it gets me all verklempt.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
85. Actually, Lucas is scheduled to make episode VII in 2013.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 02:24 PM
Oct 2012

And Disney has said they want to come out with a new episode every 2 years.


BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
94. It's 2015, and he's only going to be creative consultant
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:21 AM
Nov 2012

which is the same title he held on Empire and Jedi.

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
24. well, at least Disney is stable and will keep it as a cherished investment
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:01 PM
Oct 2012

imagine if fox bought it, then sold it to mgm who sold it to paramount who sold it to TVLand........

At least Disney will conserve the originals and do their best to keep value to the brand.

(just trying to find a bright side. One good thing, even Disney couldn't make the dialogue worse.)

LTR

(13,227 posts)
37. The dialogue and acting will most likely improve
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:25 PM
Oct 2012

Lucas is a good storyteller and visionary, but his dialogue sucks and is pretty difficult for actors to work with. And you thought Hayden Christensen was bad on his own?

Response to Soylent Brice (Original post)

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
47. People are funny
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:57 PM
Oct 2012

As a life long Star Wars fan, I'm perfectly okay with this! Disney has made some fantastic films in the last decade, including the Pirates movies and, of course, The Avengers. There are only positive signs coming from the Marvel acquisition, so right now, I doubt there's any company that will respect the integrity of the franchise as much as Disney.

And Lucas has shaped the history of filmmaking more than almost any other individual since the advent of color cinematography. ILM revolutionized motion control cameras (which was the real breakthrough of the original trilogy as far as special effects go); they were pioneers of computer generated imaging, and have claim to the first photo-realistic CG characters; Skywalker Sound and THX were pioneers in digital sound. Lucas also helped create Pixar, and some of the first nonlinear digital editing systems. Lucas' influence on the art of filmmaking is unbelievable for one man; he will go down as the Leonardo of the medium.

Now, I want you to think about how much money special effects cost. And post-production audio sweetening, and how much Lucas Licensing pulls in annually, and how much gross box office Star Wars has generated, and how much has come from Laserdisk, VHS, DVD, and BluRay sales... 4 billion dollars? Seems cheap to me.

LTR

(13,227 posts)
52. I agree
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:48 AM
Oct 2012

If there was one company that could be trusted to take good care of Lucas' baby, it's probably Disney. They've done insanely well with Pixar, which was founded by Lucas. And, with a great deal of initial skepticism, they bought the Muppets and Marvel franchises and made them stronger.

Lucas has been talking about scaling back since "Red Tails" came out, and that he desired to go back to smaller scale indie flicks. Hey, what else does he have to prove?

Lucasfilm and Disney seem like a good marriage. Disney is stable and takes care of it's properties. Fox distributed all the Star Wars flicks previously (though Lucas owns them), but Lucas hasn't really liked Fox since they sacked Alan Ladd Jr. (Taking Indiana Jones to Paramount was his middle finger to them). And I'm sure he doesn't think much of Fox's current ownership.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
56. LOL!
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:52 AM
Oct 2012

After changing his plot for Return of the Jedi from Wookie planet to Ewok planet in order to sell to the kiddies, after all the "remakes" released by Lucas, after all the endless merchandising over the past thirty five years, after the the bad, bad prequels featuring a whining child and Step 'n Fetch It in alien drag, after all this, you're finally recognizing the Lucas is nothing but a money grubbing, money hungry ass who is more than willing to sell out to highest bidder all because he is doing what is natural to him, selling out to Disney. Man, you are a hardcore nerd fanboy. Hell, I came to the same conclusion you did about thirty four years ago.

Actually, Lucas was, at one time, an artist. THX-1138, American Graffiti and the original Star Wars were wonderful pieces of art, pretty much unsullied by money and greed. That was what made them so good. Even the second Star Wars wasn't that much of a sell out, in part because it was put into production only shorty after the first one was released and the full money sickness hadn't struck yet. But by the time the third installment was put out, with cuddly little Ewoks instead of full throated Wookies, it was clear that Lucas was selling out his creation.

Glad you came to the realization that you did, but it was evident long ago.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
58. Fanboyism really is such a sad disease.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:54 AM
Oct 2012

You know they really are only movies. Even the sacred original trllogy is not really all that. Kind of a lame finale and a so-so intro. I still prefer them in the original japanese anyway.

RepublicanElephant

(3,139 posts)
60. OH RATS!
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 10:39 AM
Oct 2012

how disappointing.

another liberal corporation taken-out by the right-wing.

now vader and the emperor are the good guys, making the galaxy safe for free-market vulture capitalists.

disney's abc news is almost as bad as fox.

the thought of star wars spewing right-wing ideology will be sickening.

wonder how long kathleen kennedy will survive there.

i have a bad feeling about this.


p.s. mark hamill coming-up now on the stephanie miller show:
www.stephaniemiller.com/

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
63. I see Mickey on his knees, clutching the stump where his hand used to be.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 11:11 AM
Oct 2012

A malevolent Goofy towering over him: "I am your father, Mick."

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
68. The "Star Wars X-mas" special came out between New Hope and Empire. Lucas has been ruining Star Wars
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 12:15 PM
Oct 2012

for about 35 years now. The only way they could do any worse than Lucas is replace Jar Jar with Goofy.

Actually, that might be better, come to think of it.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
72. It's his property to do with as he sees fit...
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 12:27 PM
Oct 2012

Lucas made changes to the movies which I didn't like, but they are his. He created them and he can do with them as he sees fit.

I'm a SW geek as well as Trek, too.

Javaman

(62,599 posts)
74. Take a deep breath and reflect on life...
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 12:29 PM
Oct 2012

The original Star Wars came out when I was 13 and changed my life forever. How?

For the next 35 years I dedicated my life to film. First making my own then eventually making movies in Hollywood and my crowning achievement was working for Lucasfilm.

However, during that time, as much of a Star Wars/Movie Geek/nerd that I was, I also realized how truly brilliant The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi were.

My point? Lucas didn't direct or write either of those movies.

Aside from the Indiana Jones series, Lucas's ability to direct complex character really isn't all that. He's admitted to that as much.

The Star Wars prequels sealed the deal of his weak directing when his original vision of portraying the Star Wars franchise as send up to the old time movie serials of the 40's and 50's strayed so far from the concept and instead became a market driven failure.

Yeah, there are plenty of people who love the prequels, and I will always have a special place in my heart for the original Star Wars, but from a story telling, character development and action pacing, TESB and ROTJ have the rest beat.

Lucas selling ILM is probably one of the smartest thing he could do. Not that him dying suddenly would make Star Wars go away, but by selling it to Disney, it gives ILM a much needed jolt of fresh blood.

People slam Disney, I'm one of them (for a variety of reason), but I honestly believe that Disney will do very good things with Star Wars. (I'm not talking about marketing. Star Wars already is saturated the market with all sorts of useless gewgaws).

Disney for all it's worth, after it's flop of the much anticipated John Carter of Mars, will not fuck up Star Wars. They know a lot is riding on it, least of which is a complete and total freak out by the devoted followers threating a massive Geekpocolypse if Disney totally screws up Star Wars.

Chill. It's business. Your childhood hasn't been stolen. Lucas had gone on record a couple of years back that he wasn't going to make the last three movies (I was of the belief that they weren't ever get made-I was secretly hoping he would farm them out to capable story tellers to redeem the franchise), but now the last three and no doubt more Star Wars films will be made. To me, that's a major win.

George is getting on in years and has made it no secret that he wasn't going to direct anymore and move on to other things.

Life goes on and this move insures that there will still be Star Wars.

Oh and by the way, It's still just a movie. A movie that sentenced me to 35 years of hard labor working in films.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
75. I wonder if in my parents generation, there was this much hue and cry when General Tires bought RKO.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:10 PM
Oct 2012

I fondly remembering seeing the original in the theaters when I was but ten or eleven years old in '77. It filled me with a wonder that no other film had done or has done since. I didn't expect that same wonder as the next two arrived (and then the next three) as I was older-- too clever and jaded to allow myself that type of emotional waterfall to pour over me-- however, I blame that on me and no one else.

I wish Lucas all the best, I thank him for what he gave to me as a child, and chances are, I'll see each of the new Disney Star Wars movies as they open.


(I wonder if in my parents generation, there was this much hue and cry when General Tires bought RKO...)

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
78. Oh please, just get over it
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:26 PM
Oct 2012

it's the single best thing to happens to the Star Wars franchise since ESB,

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
86. They haven't made a good movie in years, honestly.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 02:43 PM
Oct 2012

The last few Star Wars movies stunk, and were too annoying to watch.

The last Indiana Jones was an abomination. I doubt Lucas tries anymore.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
95. Prepare yourself.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:23 AM
Nov 2012

You can bet a Jonas Brother will play Hans Solo and possibly Justin Timberlake or one of their other shitty ass cookie cutter cutesy prodigies will play Luke Skywalker. I agree. Fuck George Lucas. He brought not only the prequels but this on us. He could have mentioned to fans that he needed money and mentioned Disney. Those billions would have come from piggy banks and savings all over the world to avoid a Disney's Star Wars.

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
99. You are aware that Disney also owns Touchstone Pictures, right?
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 03:54 AM
Nov 2012

And also that Disney owned Miramax from 93 until 2005, during that time launching the careers of Quentin Tarantino, Robert Rodriguez, and Kevin Smith, releasing, among other movies, "Pulp Fiction," "From Dusk Til Dawn," and "Clerks," just to name a few? Seriously, just because Disney is now Lucasfilm's parent company, that doesn't mean they're going to do inject it with Mickey DNA.

Chicken Littles, gimme a break

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
96. What the fuck man...Disney is the best for Sci-fi!!
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:24 AM
Nov 2012

The remake of Tron was shit...but the original TRON was brilliance!

joshcryer

(62,297 posts)
106. What's going to blow your mind is when the next Star Wars movie is akin to 2009 Star Trek.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 07:07 AM
Nov 2012

People are going to love the shit out of it because nothing can be worse than the prequals.

Nothing.

PS and Disney will make sure not to create a clusterfuck because the hate for the prequals is too much and they will want to keep everyone on board with them as a franchise.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
115. Hard-core fans of Douglas Adams said the same thing when he sold out to Disney
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 02:11 PM
Nov 2012

and many think that's what killed him, too -- selling out and the massive unhappiness it brought to his fans.

I don't necessarily agree that it killed him, but ... having tons of negativity aimed your way certainly isn't healthy.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
116. So...how do you think they'll work Tinkerbell into Star Wars Episode VII?
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 02:18 PM
Nov 2012

Maybe the Empire could attack the Fairy Planet and everyone in the audience has to clap in order for the Force to awaken....

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