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Okay, so I know with all the crazy shit going on on in the world, and all the more relevant topics that deserve attention, I know this is petty. But I don't give a fuck.
Fuck you George Lucas.
I'm a nerd. Hardcore #nerd4life.
So, when I read on LBN that Lucasfilm is selling to Disney I literally said out loud quite calmly, fuck you George Lucas.
I love star wars. I love Indy.
but Disney... Disney can go fuck themselves. Right in the face.
Just, I mean... why??
Fuck. Seriously. I mean, episode 1-3, yeah, it blew. It blew ass, but any chance to see lightsabers on the big screen, okay, I'm a sucker. You got me. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, okay you're pushing your fucking luck.
But this...
Just, ... Fuck YOU George Lucas.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Soylent Brice
(8,308 posts)Fuck Disney.
Logical
(22,457 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,152 posts)There's also the "Disney Vault" (look it up if you haven't heard of it).
Lucas has allowed and encouraged fan works for years. You can kiss all that goodbye with Disney.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,283 posts)Starbucks = corporate death coffee.
Walmart = corporate death retail.
etc
Bake
(21,977 posts)But I love Starbucks French Roast ... and I'm not dead yet.
Bake
Lucky Luciano
(11,283 posts)My brother used to say it actually to refer to anything that is highly commercialized and corporate as opposed to small business/independent.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)As more and more small businesses disappear.
I miss the "human touch" of our now gone local stores.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Zalatix
(8,994 posts)There is no debate as far as I'm concerned; Disney has a long pattern of doing this, which is why I try to steer my family away from them as much as possible.
BarackTheVote
(938 posts)considering Anakin has no father and witnesses his mother's death at the hands of Sand People, Luke and Leia's biological mother dies in childbirth while their father is the epitome of evil in the galaxy who has Luke's surrogate parents brutally murdered and who aids in the death of Leia's adopted family though early EU sources seem to hold that by the time Alderaan was destroyed, her adopted mother was already out of the picture.
The orphaned hero is a common theme in mythology.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)<snip>
"Flora died in 1938 in an accident that plagued her son Walt with guilt for the rest of his life. After the success of their film Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Walt and Roy presented their parents with a new home in North Hollywood, near the Disney studios in Burbank, California. Less than a month after moving in, Flora complained to Walt and Roy of problems with the gas furnace in her new home. Studio repairmen were sent to the house, but the problem was not adequately fixed. Flora wrote a letter to her daughter Ruth describing the wonderful new home, but again complaining of the fumes from the furnace. A few days later, Flora died of asphyxiation caused by the fumes at age 70. She is entombed next to her husband in Glendale's Forest Lawn Memorial Park Cemetery."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flora_Call_Disney
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I learned through that research that the mother/stepmother is an archetypal villain in fairy tales, which dates back centuries. So it didn't start with Disney and won't end there.
Disney tells fairy tales and follows a lot of times the prescribed formulas.
Still, there are good mothers. Dumbo's mother. Sleeping Beauty's mother. Pollyanna (the mother figure). The Parent Trap. Mary Poppins. Bambi.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)That's the other problem with Disney - they kill a LOT of mothers in their stories. Far more than fathers.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)have to bring them back together. sleeping beauty = mother (& father) fail to protect child from witch's curse. pollyanna = orphan goes to live with dried up depressive aunt whom child has to save. dumbo = mom fails to protect child from bullying peers and is locked away.
BarackTheVote
(938 posts)Batman, parents killed by mugger; Spider-Man, raised by aunt and uncle, parents nowhere in evidence, uncle murdered in front of his eyes by mugging; King Arthur, either an orphan or given up by his parents for his own protection, depending on the version of the story, either way, never knew them; Citizen Kane, sent away by his mother to be raised basically by the bank; Frodo Baggins, orphan, raised by his uncle; Hamlet, father dead, mother likely helped kill him, in any case, married she married the murderer; Jane Eyre, orphan raised by evil aunt; all of Zeus' children in Greek mythology had a deadbeat dad by default, usually a product of rape. Going more recent, in George R.R. Martin's "Song of Ice & Fire cycle," the Stark children have no mother by the time we join the story, and they see their father betrayed and executed; Daenerys Stormborn was also orphaned when her father was overthrown as king; The Hunger Games, Katnis loses her father in a mining "accident" and her mother goes catatonic for years. And once again, Star Wars is populated by orphans.
According to Joseph Campbell in "The Hero with a Thousand Faces":
The folktales commonly support or supplant [the] theme of the exile with that of the despised one, or the handicapped: the abused youngest son or daughter, the orphan, stepchild, ugly duckling, or the squire of low degree [ ] In sum: the child of destiny has to face a long period of obscurity. This is a time of extreme danger, impediment, or disgrace. He is thrown inward to his own depths or outward to the unknown [ ] The myths agree that an extraordinary capacity is required to face and survive such experience.
BarackTheVote
(938 posts)for not allowing your kids to watch Disney films and media? Disney didn't start the orphaned hero thing, nor is it exclusive to Disney in our own era. You don't think it's important to give kids going through hard times, the loss of a parent, or the divorce of their parents, some hope that they'll survive and thrive? You don't think that they should have healthy role models? I guess the EVEN BETTER question would be, what do YOU have against orphans?
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)The Jonas Brothers
There are more, but those three words should be enough to give anyone pause.
BarackTheVote
(938 posts)Pulp Fiction
Released by Miramax while Disney was its parent company.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)George Lucas decided he wanted to get crazy paid... It's the American dream, right?
exboyfil
(17,880 posts)and their own stable. Has the Justice Department investigated antitrust considerations?
tridim
(45,358 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,569 posts)What serious material has Disney developed by themselves in the last thirty-forty years?
exboyfil
(17,880 posts)Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast. I think these are good entries that my children enjoyed when they were young. No Pixar but solid.
Brother Buzz
(36,569 posts)Does that tell you something? Disney need the whole package block busters to really thrive. Most of the stuff Disney has developed in the last few decades has been essentially glorified 'Made for TV' movies.
Game of monopoly winding down with Disney winner take all.
According to cloud atlas movies in the future are all called disneys.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Keep in mind: All three of those companies decided to sell heir businesses and put themselves on the market. They weren't greenmailed. Murdoch's News Corp -- which owns entertainment television networks and motion picture industries on top of their "news" properties -- could have gobbled these up, too. Murdoch is about to buy the Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times.
The three companies you mention sold their businesses. They sold. Disney will be a better steward of those three than Fox and a slew of others.
joshcryer
(62,297 posts)It's crazy. I hope it happens.
BarackTheVote
(938 posts)It's an independent production house that has released relatively few movies in its history; even ILM is far from the only game in town nowadays and WETA and Digital Domain have, arguably, knocked ILM from its perch as the premier F/X house in the world.
If you're talking about media consolidation in general, i.e., movies, newspapers, tv stations, then, yes, it's gone too far. But they'll keep pushing until we push back. As Romney perfectly exemplifies, the MO of corporations is to take advantage of every opportunity no matter how shady it might be.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)IF Disney does with the Star Wars franchise what they've done with the Marvel franchise, it will be th best thing that ever happened to Star Wars.
On top of that, a re-release of episodes IV - VI in the uncut, un-enhanced, originally screened versions is about a 1000% more likely than it was a day ago.
teenagebambam
(1,592 posts)Fox still retains rights to all existing Star Wars properties. So no Orig Theatrical Version Blu-Rays anytime soon
Rosco T.
(6,496 posts)Fox's control of the existing ends in 2020 (except episode 4, they have the rights to that 'in perpetuity'. Disney has rights to use ALL existing characters, properties, etc in any project they wish).
Berlum
(7,044 posts)joshcryer
(62,297 posts)It will happen. That's going to cause a lot of people to lose their collective shit.
Disney knows how to copy-test and get consumers on board.
It's a sad truth, but that's how it is. They're the Wal-Mart of media.
Major Nikon
(36,850 posts)In January he said he wanted to ease out of the business of making big budget films and work his way into semi-retirement. Don't you think he's earned that right?
panader0
(25,816 posts)Star Wars, Star trek, video games....
Gawd, I'm glad I'm old enough that I didn't have to go through all that shit.
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)I'd say at least a few million care.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)As South Park made clear...
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Older, not a supermodel, but damn good looking and damned good movie acting skills to boot. The fact that Indy settled down with the mother of his kid and stepped up to his responsibilities upon finding out he was a father, was cooler than the entire plot ever could be. It was the crowning glory of the whole movie.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)I think it was pretty much the whole rest of the movie everyone hated. Aliens?
quinnox
(20,600 posts)was the director behind the first films. What a hack.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)the prequels. The other two films he got story credit. Lawrence Kasdan directed Empire and Richard Marquand directed Jedi..
And regardless of what people think of Lucas's "skills" it cannot be denied that he changed the face of movies. From special effects, (ILM) to computer animation (Pixar) to THX sound and digital projection, Lucas was always ahead of the curve. Hardly a "hack".
quinnox
(20,600 posts)No wonder Empire was so good, he wasn't behind the camera. So Lucas did one good movie in his career, Star Wars. It just happened to be a mega blockbuster that became a world wide success and spawned a franchise. Yea, he was an innovator in the special effects side and so on, I'll admit that. I still think the prequels show he was pretty much a hack when it comes to making movies as a director. Painful to watch those movies IMHO.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)BarackTheVote
(938 posts)THX-1138, Lucas' first film, is also a good dark sci-fi.
F. Kafka
(70 posts)It was directed by Irvin Kershner.
/nerdage
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)Thank you for pointing out we have him to thank for PIXAR.
ILM is responsible for special effects on all kinds of movies Pirates of the Caribbean, Iron Man, Jurassic Park, Night at the Museum etc pretty much 80% of special effects on major blockbusters.
My kids are huge fans, not just of Star Wars but of all his work and he really deserves more credit.
We were all a bit shocked at this news, but Disney has not ruined PIXAR (yet) and like someone said upthread, if they do what they did with Marvel, everyone will be better off.
There are all kinds of directions to go with Star Wars, books have already been written. George Lucas has been holding it back.
LTR
(13,227 posts)Lucas wanted his buddy to direct Ep. VI, but the Director's Guild would not allow it. Lucas quit the guild after the previous one because they fined him over some anal retentive thing. And because he quit the guild, he was limited as to who he could work with. And since Spielberg was a union member, they wouldn't let him work on a non-union flick.
With the Star Wars franchise now back in a union shop, there are many more options as to who can participate.
Seeking Serenity
(2,845 posts)because he insisted on running the credits, all of them, on his Star Wars movies at the END of the movie. Notice on almost all movies, the main players -- lead actors, directors, producers, cinematographers, composers, etc. -- get their credits at the beginning (to ensure that most people will see them). In Star Wars, Lucas, because of the way he chose to open the films, put all credits at the end. That was against union rules. That's why he quit.
LTR
(13,227 posts)Before Star Wars, the standard on all movies was to run full credits at the beginning of the film, rather than at the end. Now, it's the other way around.
They let Lucas do it for Star Wars, then fined him for doing it on TESB. He quit the guild in protest and hasn't returned.
TheKentuckian
(25,132 posts)Irvin Kershner directed Empire and Richard Marquand did Jedi.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Haven't shown my kids the prequels. Because they suck.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Prequels: Nah. "Jedi:" Some good moments but a rehash of the first movie to a good degree ... and teddy bears.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)are you still asking why?
GeorgeGist
(25,330 posts)Vote Romney.
Quixote1818
(29,221 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,437 posts)It took a couple of readings and some reflection.
Now I want my two minutes back.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)He admits there is some nerd rage going on here, just leave it at that.
Soylent Brice
(8,308 posts)I'm perfectly okay with the fact that I look like a completely nerdy lunatic right now.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)As someone who is a huge nerd, but in other things, I can understand it.
Johonny
(21,198 posts)lynne
(3,118 posts)His retirement plan was selling Lucasfilm. He worked hard, he gave you and others tons of enjoyment, he deserves to get paid to pass on his creative work and legacy.
You're acting like you're 12 years old. Get over yourself. Seriously.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)No one ever has. I really don't care at all about Star Wars, Lucasfilm or Disney.
exboyfil
(17,880 posts)You are worth what the market will give you. At least he isn't getting his money funnelled to him by the government. It is an arm's length transaction. Whether Disney can get $4B out of the franchise? Well I have my doubts. Star Wars is not that big to my children. I think it is fading.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)"Um, Disney, your offer is way too generous and overstated...You all realize I didn't put $4 billion worth of time and effort into this, right?? Take your check back and return with a more realistic estimate!"
TexasBushwhacker
(20,357 posts)and he's signed the Giving Pledge started by Bill and Melinda Gates and Warren Buffett.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)TeamPooka
(24,464 posts)He got paid disgusting amounts of money already. He doesn't deserve more.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)and now you are mad at him for selling off?
I for one am damn glad to see SW handed off to a new generation.. Imagine a Star Wars movie written by Timothy Zahn and directed by someone like Joss Whedon, or John Lassiter who are both working under the Disney banner.
Or if you really want to hope imagine Star Wars directed by someone like Peter Jackson or Gillermo Del Toro..
In spite of people wanting to harp on Disney, they did good things with Pixar and with Marvel.
I spent the summer of 1976 in the movie theater watching Star Wars over and over. I have seen all the films many times, I have read all the comics and I follow the Expanded Universe in the books. I am the quintessential SW fan and I am quite hopeful of it's future.
Disney knows it just bought what if done right will be a cash cow for generations to come, I seriously doubt they will fuck this up. They did a damn good job on The Avengers.
LTR
(13,227 posts)My head is spinning!
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Joss Whedon doing a Star Wars makes me hopeful. Firfly was really just a Han Solo story.
Dr. Strange
(25,950 posts)At first, I was upset that Lucas wasn't doing anything after ROTJ. But then he did the prequels, and I think I'd prefer that he not do anything Star Wars related--at least not with him as director. The idea of seeing new SW movies done by directors like Whedon...it gets me all verklempt.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)And Disney has said they want to come out with a new episode every 2 years.
Dr. Strange
(25,950 posts)BarackTheVote
(938 posts)which is the same title he held on Empire and Jedi.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)imagine if fox bought it, then sold it to mgm who sold it to paramount who sold it to TVLand........
At least Disney will conserve the originals and do their best to keep value to the brand.
(just trying to find a bright side. One good thing, even Disney couldn't make the dialogue worse.)
Logical
(22,457 posts)LTR
(13,227 posts)Lucas is a good storyteller and visionary, but his dialogue sucks and is pretty difficult for actors to work with. And you thought Hayden Christensen was bad on his own?
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)When do we riot?
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Hugabear
(10,340 posts)N/t
quinnox
(20,600 posts)sums it up nicely.
onenote
(43,246 posts)It must have been a very hard decision for him.
Wednesdays
(17,753 posts)Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)BarackTheVote
(938 posts)As a life long Star Wars fan, I'm perfectly okay with this! Disney has made some fantastic films in the last decade, including the Pirates movies and, of course, The Avengers. There are only positive signs coming from the Marvel acquisition, so right now, I doubt there's any company that will respect the integrity of the franchise as much as Disney.
And Lucas has shaped the history of filmmaking more than almost any other individual since the advent of color cinematography. ILM revolutionized motion control cameras (which was the real breakthrough of the original trilogy as far as special effects go); they were pioneers of computer generated imaging, and have claim to the first photo-realistic CG characters; Skywalker Sound and THX were pioneers in digital sound. Lucas also helped create Pixar, and some of the first nonlinear digital editing systems. Lucas' influence on the art of filmmaking is unbelievable for one man; he will go down as the Leonardo of the medium.
Now, I want you to think about how much money special effects cost. And post-production audio sweetening, and how much Lucas Licensing pulls in annually, and how much gross box office Star Wars has generated, and how much has come from Laserdisk, VHS, DVD, and BluRay sales... 4 billion dollars? Seems cheap to me.
LTR
(13,227 posts)If there was one company that could be trusted to take good care of Lucas' baby, it's probably Disney. They've done insanely well with Pixar, which was founded by Lucas. And, with a great deal of initial skepticism, they bought the Muppets and Marvel franchises and made them stronger.
Lucas has been talking about scaling back since "Red Tails" came out, and that he desired to go back to smaller scale indie flicks. Hey, what else does he have to prove?
Lucasfilm and Disney seem like a good marriage. Disney is stable and takes care of it's properties. Fox distributed all the Star Wars flicks previously (though Lucas owns them), but Lucas hasn't really liked Fox since they sacked Alan Ladd Jr. (Taking Indiana Jones to Paramount was his middle finger to them). And I'm sure he doesn't think much of Fox's current ownership.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)~grin~
I am sure there will be support group available when it hits the theatres
amborin
(16,631 posts)MadHound
(34,179 posts)After changing his plot for Return of the Jedi from Wookie planet to Ewok planet in order to sell to the kiddies, after all the "remakes" released by Lucas, after all the endless merchandising over the past thirty five years, after the the bad, bad prequels featuring a whining child and Step 'n Fetch It in alien drag, after all this, you're finally recognizing the Lucas is nothing but a money grubbing, money hungry ass who is more than willing to sell out to highest bidder all because he is doing what is natural to him, selling out to Disney. Man, you are a hardcore nerd fanboy. Hell, I came to the same conclusion you did about thirty four years ago.
Actually, Lucas was, at one time, an artist. THX-1138, American Graffiti and the original Star Wars were wonderful pieces of art, pretty much unsullied by money and greed. That was what made them so good. Even the second Star Wars wasn't that much of a sell out, in part because it was put into production only shorty after the first one was released and the full money sickness hadn't struck yet. But by the time the third installment was put out, with cuddly little Ewoks instead of full throated Wookies, it was clear that Lucas was selling out his creation.
Glad you came to the realization that you did, but it was evident long ago.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)You know they really are only movies. Even the sacred original trllogy is not really all that. Kind of a lame finale and a so-so intro. I still prefer them in the original japanese anyway.
RepublicanElephant
(3,139 posts)how disappointing.
another liberal corporation taken-out by the right-wing.
now vader and the emperor are the good guys, making the galaxy safe for free-market vulture capitalists.
disney's abc news is almost as bad as fox.
the thought of star wars spewing right-wing ideology will be sickening.
wonder how long kathleen kennedy will survive there.
i have a bad feeling about this.
p.s. mark hamill coming-up now on the stephanie miller show:
www.stephaniemiller.com/
randome
(34,845 posts)A malevolent Goofy towering over him: "I am your father, Mick."
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)begin_within
(21,551 posts)City of Mills
(2,880 posts)of all the Star Wars movie scenes.
Erose999
(5,624 posts)for about 35 years now. The only way they could do any worse than Lucas is replace Jar Jar with Goofy.
Actually, that might be better, come to think of it.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Lucas made changes to the movies which I didn't like, but they are his. He created them and he can do with them as he sees fit.
I'm a SW geek as well as Trek, too.
Javaman
(62,599 posts)The original Star Wars came out when I was 13 and changed my life forever. How?
For the next 35 years I dedicated my life to film. First making my own then eventually making movies in Hollywood and my crowning achievement was working for Lucasfilm.
However, during that time, as much of a Star Wars/Movie Geek/nerd that I was, I also realized how truly brilliant The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi were.
My point? Lucas didn't direct or write either of those movies.
Aside from the Indiana Jones series, Lucas's ability to direct complex character really isn't all that. He's admitted to that as much.
The Star Wars prequels sealed the deal of his weak directing when his original vision of portraying the Star Wars franchise as send up to the old time movie serials of the 40's and 50's strayed so far from the concept and instead became a market driven failure.
Yeah, there are plenty of people who love the prequels, and I will always have a special place in my heart for the original Star Wars, but from a story telling, character development and action pacing, TESB and ROTJ have the rest beat.
Lucas selling ILM is probably one of the smartest thing he could do. Not that him dying suddenly would make Star Wars go away, but by selling it to Disney, it gives ILM a much needed jolt of fresh blood.
People slam Disney, I'm one of them (for a variety of reason), but I honestly believe that Disney will do very good things with Star Wars. (I'm not talking about marketing. Star Wars already is saturated the market with all sorts of useless gewgaws).
Disney for all it's worth, after it's flop of the much anticipated John Carter of Mars, will not fuck up Star Wars. They know a lot is riding on it, least of which is a complete and total freak out by the devoted followers threating a massive Geekpocolypse if Disney totally screws up Star Wars.
Chill. It's business. Your childhood hasn't been stolen. Lucas had gone on record a couple of years back that he wasn't going to make the last three movies (I was of the belief that they weren't ever get made-I was secretly hoping he would farm them out to capable story tellers to redeem the franchise), but now the last three and no doubt more Star Wars films will be made. To me, that's a major win.
George is getting on in years and has made it no secret that he wasn't going to direct anymore and move on to other things.
Life goes on and this move insures that there will still be Star Wars.
Oh and by the way, It's still just a movie. A movie that sentenced me to 35 years of hard labor working in films.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I fondly remembering seeing the original in the theaters when I was but ten or eleven years old in '77. It filled me with a wonder that no other film had done or has done since. I didn't expect that same wonder as the next two arrived (and then the next three) as I was older-- too clever and jaded to allow myself that type of emotional waterfall to pour over me-- however, I blame that on me and no one else.
I wish Lucas all the best, I thank him for what he gave to me as a child, and chances are, I'll see each of the new Disney Star Wars movies as they open.
(I wonder if in my parents generation, there was this much hue and cry when General Tires bought RKO...)
jeff47
(26,549 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)it's the single best thing to happens to the Star Wars franchise since ESB,
Rosco T.
(6,496 posts)Dash87
(3,220 posts)The last few Star Wars movies stunk, and were too annoying to watch.
The last Indiana Jones was an abomination. I doubt Lucas tries anymore.
SJohnson5677
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(38,187 posts)You can bet a Jonas Brother will play Hans Solo and possibly Justin Timberlake or one of their other shitty ass cookie cutter cutesy prodigies will play Luke Skywalker. I agree. Fuck George Lucas. He brought not only the prequels but this on us. He could have mentioned to fans that he needed money and mentioned Disney. Those billions would have come from piggy banks and savings all over the world to avoid a Disney's Star Wars.
BarackTheVote
(938 posts)And also that Disney owned Miramax from 93 until 2005, during that time launching the careers of Quentin Tarantino, Robert Rodriguez, and Kevin Smith, releasing, among other movies, "Pulp Fiction," "From Dusk Til Dawn," and "Clerks," just to name a few? Seriously, just because Disney is now Lucasfilm's parent company, that doesn't mean they're going to do inject it with Mickey DNA.
Chicken Littles, gimme a break
vaberella
(24,634 posts)The remake of Tron was shit...but the original TRON was brilliance!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)joshcryer
(62,297 posts)People are going to love the shit out of it because nothing can be worse than the prequals.
Nothing.
PS and Disney will make sure not to create a clusterfuck because the hate for the prequals is too much and they will want to keep everyone on board with them as a franchise.
Flaxbee
(13,661 posts)and many think that's what killed him, too -- selling out and the massive unhappiness it brought to his fans.
I don't necessarily agree that it killed him, but ... having tons of negativity aimed your way certainly isn't healthy.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Maybe the Empire could attack the Fairy Planet and everyone in the audience has to clap in order for the Force to awaken....