People like Meadows, Navarro, Rudy, Eastman, have gotten away with Nothing!

[fightforfreedom]

Some people say nobody will be held accountable, look at Meadows, he refused to answer a subpoena and nothing happened. That means nothing.

When these assholes are subpoenaed by a federal grand jury they will show up and most likely take the 5th. Not because they are innocent, because they are guilty.

They are all going to use the Navarro defense, which we should call, how to go to prison for dummies. Their defense is, the attempted coup was legal because we say so.

Hell is coming for Trumps inner circle. They have gotten away with nothing.

By the way, when things heat up, how long will it take for Trump to throw all these assholes under the bus. He can no longer offer them pardons to gain their silence. He will deny knowing them.

Fuck Trump.

[agingdem]

1. Eastman devised the coup..

Navarro refined the coup, and Meadows was tasked with implementing the coup…all at the behest of Donald Trump, and all the the mercy of the J6 committee and in the DOJ cross hairs…

[CentralMass]

2. Time will tell.

[empedocles]

3. No apparent legal defense funding for navarro. [See earlier thread]

navarro is representing himself in court . . . 'ro se'.

[dem4decades]

4. I could give a shit if hell is coming for them, it's DOJ that counts.

And I haven't seen anything that makes me think Meadows, Bannon and the rest of them will pay a price. And DOJ better hurry because if Trump gets elected again they're all getting a pardon anyways, so get moving and enforce the law please AG Garland. Now

[Fiendish Thingy]

31. Navarro was just subpoenaed by the DOJ Grand Jury

Shit is getting real.

[agingdem]

48. I remember Navarro's off the wall interview with Ari Melber

Navarro was convinced his plot to overthrow the election would have succeeded if not for the mob breaching the Capital..certain of its legitimacy, angry he was not receiving the credit he deserved, and defiantly proud of his perfectly crafted Green Bay Sweep...only the best people

[lastlib]

40. Yes--I want to see the perpwalk, the arraignment, and the guilty verdict.

Everything else is fluff.

[malaise]

5. Correct is right

Justice is coming

[gab13by13]

6. Just to make this clear,

I have been saying that DOJ was not investigating and I was rebutted with the notion that DOJ doesn't leak.

Well my friends, DOJ does leak, and the proof is that; Peter Navarro, Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, John Eastman, Kenneth Chesebro, have all been subpoenaed by a federal grand jury.

Start the presses, DOJ is going after coup plotters and we have actual proof because Navarro is suing to try to avoid the subpoena.
We can now say with certainty that DOJ is acting, 1 1/2 years after the insurrection, but I will take it.

These people can be prosecuted by DOJ leading up to the election because none of them are running in the election. Let's stop repeating the narrative that DOJ can't prosecute people leading up to an election, none of these people are on the ballot.

[Fiendish Thingy]

32. I have seen no reports about GJ subpoenas except for Navarro - and he leaked that himself

What are your sources for the other subpeonas?

[leftyladyfrommo]

7. Boy, I hope so. This current situation where everyone

just ignores the law is devastating to our justice system.

And it's letting the violent element go out of control.

[Mr. Ected]

8. But what if Trump already gave them all pocket pardons? Including himself?

Explains why Rudy "testified" before the J6 committee for 9 hours without once invoking the 5th.

I find this to be the nightmare scenario but if Trump was handing them out like candy before leaving office - he reportedly offered one to Kellyanne Conway, who declined - he may well have given all of them the legal cover they needed to commit treason.

[gab13by13]

12. Good point and if true,

the American people need to know this well before the 2022 election. Time is fucking important, 1 1/2 years since the insurrection.

It is entirely believable that Trump gave himself and the rest of the traitors pardons. Pocket pardons need to be abolished.

[Mr. Ected]

14. Agreed

The constitution simply becomes a cocktail napkin with majestic ideology but no teeth if a sitting President can co-conspire to do treason and then ensure he and his co-conspirators walk free with pardons that are seemingly limitless in scope.

If Trump didn't give himself, his family and his closest circle of treason pigs pardons, the question is, why the hell not? Justice seems to have bent over backwards to allow him to destroy democracy for 6 years now.

[gab13by13]

19. Yeah a big deal was made when

Trump's family testified before the select committee, well if they all had pardons they were just laughing to themselves the whole time.

[Mr. Ected]

23. Glenn Kirschner explained that no one who has been pardoned can legally plead the 5th

So I need to review their testimony to see if they did.

[kentuck]

24. I have heard of pocket vetoes but...

I have never heard of a "pocket pardon"?

Is there an example of it ever being used?

[Septua]

35. The 'pardon' angle is convoluted...

..for me. I can see 'preemptive' pardons creating a lot of delays in any prosecutions...maybe not.


https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/01/17/presidential-pardons-settled-law-unsettled-issues-and-a-downside-for-trump/

[Ohio Joe]

36. As I've heard it, the premise is...

A pardon given but somehow done is secret and only revealed when charges are pressed. I don’t buy it myself.

[Fiendish Thingy]

33. That's not a thing

Go ahead and post examples of persons receiving “pocket pardons”

[Ohio Joe]

42. How do you know Rudy did not take the 5th?

None of the articles I can find say one way or the other, they all say variations of:

Costello declined to comment Friday. A spokesperson for the select committee also declined to comment on Giuliani's deposition.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/20/politics/rudy-giuliani-january-6-committee/index.html

So... You have something that says he took the 5th?

Also... We do know Eastman did take the 5th:

John Eastman, the attorney who helped former President Donald Trump pressure then-Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the 2020 election, has asserted his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, according to a letter he delivered to the Jan. 6 committee explaining his decision not to testify.

“Dr. Eastman hereby asserts his Fifth Amendment right not to be a witness against himself in response to your subpoena,” his attorney, Charles Burnham, wrote in a letter to Chair Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) dated Dec. 1.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/03/eastman-takes-the-fifth-with-jan-6-committee-523712

So... What? TFG forgot Eastman?

[gab13by13]

9. If a Magat is elected president in 2024

he/she will pardon all of them. Don't give me the notion that time isn't important. We will be lucky to have actual trials for coup plotters by 2025. The Magat oligarchs will fund appeals for all of these traitors.

[Ohio Joe]

43. If that were true...

What does a rushed trial matter? You want to take the chance of losing at trial because a pardon might happen... I'm not seeing an upside.

[kentuck]

10. It does appear they are investigating the "fake electors" very aggressively.

Moreso than the "insurrection" of January 6th.

[gab13by13]

13. The fake electors are a big part of the insurrection

and prosecuting those people leads right to the White House. I have been saying this for over a year now. Prosecuting the Proud Boys and others was nice but that route won't make it to the top dogs.

[kentuck]

16. It's sort of the chicken or egg thing...

...in my opinion, the fake electors was the main part of the conspiracy and the takeover of the Capitol was an act of last resort.

[Ohio Joe]

44. To be fair... We do know which came first...

Seriously though The 1/6 rally was announced on 12/19/2020 so yeah... It was kind of last minute. I suspect that it was only after they knew Pence was not going to play ball that the idea came up to send the mob to the capitol in the hopes of delaying things.

[kentuck]

45. I agree that the 1/6 rally was like the last resort to stop the certification of the election.

When they could not persuade Pence to go along with their scheme. They wanted to obstruct and delay the proceedings.

[Novara]

11. The DOJ is serious, folks.

I am so glad to see them going after the top motherfuckers.

Get yer popcorn ready because they'll all throw each other under the bus. They're all self-absorbed motherfuckers and would throw their mamas under the bus if it means cutting a deal.

[fightforfreedom]

17. So true, when they realize their freedom is on the line, they will turn.

They are all so defiant now, indictments have a way of changing that. It only takes one to sing and then all hell will break loose.

[kentuck]

21. I think this subpoena of Navarro will get the attention of many of them.

Once the DOJ proves they are serious, it won't be so funny anymore.

[Joinfortmill]

41. 👍

[BlackSkimmer]

15. Time will tell.

Not holding my breath.

[Scrivener7]

18. *sigh*

[gab13by13]

20. I know, I know, hope springs eternal,

we have a glimmer of hope.

What the wait and see crowd doesn't understand is that time matters in holding people accountable. Look how long it is taking to bring Steve Bannon to trial for simply ignoring a subpoena and he didn't exhaust all his legal appeals.

If Trump issued himself and the rest of the traitors pocket pardons, we need to know this before the 2022 election, which isn't going to happen.

[kentuck]

22. Would "pocket pardons" really hold up in a court of law?

It seems contrary to everything in western civilization.

[fightforfreedom]

25. They can shove their pocket pardons up their ass.

What did Trump do before he left office? Sign a pardon that said I pardon everyone for everything. Give me a break.

[edhopper]

26. This is me

not holding my breath.

[gab13by13]

27. What the fuck is going on?

What does this mean? Navarro states the subpoena is to make him comply with a subpoena issued by the House select committee investigating the Capitol attack last February, according to the draft lawsuit, in which he's representing himself.

Am I reading this right? DOJ subpoenaed Navarro to comply with the select committee subpoena? What the fuck does that even mean?

Did DOJ subpoena Navarro before a federal grand jury or not. I am going to have to search this.

[fightforfreedom]

28. I see where you are going.

Bottom line, a federal grand jury is investigating Navarro. They want documents and his testimony. Starting with his refusal to answer a subpoena from the committee is a good starting point.

[kentuck]

29. However, a subpoena from the DOJ is different from a subpoena from a Congressional Committee.

They have the US Marshals at their right hand. They will not accept the same contempt from Mr Navarro. He's attempting to play legal games with the DOJ.

[gab13by13]

30. This is what happened;

Look Who Doesn’t Have A Lawyer
Ex-White House trade adviser Peter Navarro said on Monday that he received a grand jury subpoena from the FBI last week demanding records and testimony on the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection.

Navarro’s subpoena signals for the first time that the Justice Department’s investigation into the attack is expanding to include Trump’s cronies in the White House.
The subpoena seeks information on “any communications” Navarro had with Trump in connection to the insurrection, according to the ex-adviser.
Navarro claims that he plans to try to block the subpoena by filing a lawsuit against the House Jan. 6 Committee, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Matthew M. Graves, the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia. In fitting Navarro fashion, he plans to represent himself.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-memo/navarro-subpoena-grand-jury-jan6

[kentuck]

34. It sounds like they are focused on who was involved with the fake electors?

And to what extent?

Did they conspire to stop the Congress from certifying the electoral votes?

If so, was that a crime?

[AZLD4Candidate]

37. "When the president does it, it's legal" - Richard Nixon

Same logic.

[Joinfortmill]

38. I'm with you.

[station agent]

39. I know it's frustrating that people like this maintain power

but pretending like you know they're going down only hurts the movement that can beat them. Focus on what you can do and stop with this copium. They're probably not going to jail. The idea that jail is going to happen and save us from them is pure fantasy. We've been selling it to ourselves for too long. No more Mueller shit. We gotta focus on making the movement stronger. Not begging the prosecutors to make things fair for us.

[fightforfreedom]

46. I completely disagree. People must be indicted and I believe many of them will be indicted.

The evidence that has been made public is by itself overwhelming. Every investigation, impeachment that happened while Trump was in office is irrelevant. Trump is no longer in power. It's a free country, you can convince yourself no one will pay. I refuse to do that.

[kentuck]

47. Not prosecuting would make the movement "stronger"?

I cannot see how that could happen? You become stronger by appearing weaker?

[Hortensis]

49. Maybe "movement" doesn't mean us? Democrats are the "establishment"

that the R&LW populist movements both believe they have to take out to save our nation.

Though not prosecuting would definitely benefit the RW authoritarian "movement," hugely powerful and poised for takeover as it is, this is DU. So I'm guessing the movement to be benefitted would be the LW version that takes over after our mutual destruction. Speaking of "copium."

Who is the leader these days, I wonder?