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DCBob

(24,689 posts)
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 10:17 AM Jan 2012

The sooner Romney locks it up the better for the President.

It removes the excitement of the race for the GOP nomination and takes the media focus off the Republicans and puts it back on the President and other more important issues.

It also puts pressure on Romney to identify and clarify his positions... and ten months of Romney "clarfying" his positions will get awfully dull and likely turn off many voters. On the other hand it could get interesting if Willard continues to make dumb statements when unprepared and speaking off the cuff. Either way President Obama benefits.

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The sooner Romney locks it up the better for the President. (Original Post) DCBob Jan 2012 OP
I want to know more about Romney's "carried interest" and other shenanigans monmouth Jan 2012 #1
Yes, his income tax returns will become an issue.. DCBob Jan 2012 #3
I don't believe it is a requirement to disclose them to become president. boston bean Jan 2012 #4
most if not every Presidential candidate has release them in the past. DCBob Jan 2012 #7
Do you honestly think even "This Media" will drop the Tax Returns issue FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #27
I'm far more interested in a candidate's tax returns than I am about where he/she was born. Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #30
MSNBC needs to talk about something else, rather than... Frustratedlady Jan 2012 #2
The media is obsessed with the GOP race at the moment. DCBob Jan 2012 #5
Just wait - The Palinoid or Jeb will probably jump in at the last minute. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #6
I was predicting that before but how would that work if Romney has the votes? DCBob Jan 2012 #8
He's a long way from having the votes. He has 20 of the needed 1144. morningfog Jan 2012 #9
Perhaps.. but at some point soon it will be too late if Romney continues to win every state. DCBob Jan 2012 #13
Hold on - since when have Republicans cared about vote integrity? HopeHoops Jan 2012 #12
Except for one thing, the media is not on our side. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #10
newt could take south carolina....only 4 percentage points behind romney spanone Jan 2012 #11
a messy primary season is rarely good for a party unblock Jan 2012 #14
Clearly there are benefits of a messy GOP primary for us but.. DCBob Jan 2012 #16
that's a fantasy scenario that very rarely happens. besides, jeb's not jumping in to lose to obama. unblock Jan 2012 #20
That's probably correct but I think we win this thing unless something crazy like that happens. DCBob Jan 2012 #28
I don't know. I think that the Republicans are doing a great job destroying themselves. yardwork Jan 2012 #15
Yes, thats true but Im not sure all the dissent will stop. DCBob Jan 2012 #18
I agree. I'm hoping for a third party alternative to Romney. Sweet. yardwork Jan 2012 #24
Im thinking Ron Paul might go for it. DCBob Jan 2012 #33
Napoleon once remarked that it is rude to interrupt your enemy while he is self destructing.. Fumesucker Jan 2012 #17
Good point... but it seems the self-destruct process has run its course. DCBob Jan 2012 #19
oh, ye of little faith! unblock Jan 2012 #21
no doubt. DCBob Jan 2012 #25
Oh, I don't know.. Fumesucker Jan 2012 #22
Ha! DCBob Jan 2012 #23
No, we want Newt running his ads as long as possible. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #26
Totally disagree. Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #29
Keep em fighten donco Jan 2012 #31
Thats a good argument I had not thought of... ie. drain their resources. DCBob Jan 2012 #32
yep. Have to agree chemp Jan 2012 #34
And it keeps Rs SPLIT--Divide ProgressiveEconomist Jan 2012 #35
I want it to drag out surfdog Jan 2012 #36
Disagree, there is no excitement in the Race regardless of who wins , especially Romney JI7 Jan 2012 #37
One of the main reasons I want this over with is to just get these idiots out of the headlines. DCBob Jan 2012 #38
The problem is the greedy corporate media Mosaic Jan 2012 #39
No doubt.. they love a horse race.. DCBob Jan 2012 #40
Not in this case quaker bill Jan 2012 #41
Recent poll has Romney up by 9. DCBob Jan 2012 #43
Another recent poll has Romney up by 21 DCBob Jan 2012 #45
What positions? MrScorpio Jan 2012 #42
They fluctuate depending on the weather. DCBob Jan 2012 #44

monmouth

(21,078 posts)
1. I want to know more about Romney's "carried interest" and other shenanigans
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 10:34 AM
Jan 2012

on his income tax reports. When is he required to disclose them?

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
4. I don't believe it is a requirement to disclose them to become president.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 10:39 AM
Jan 2012

But he should release them. Hopefully public pressure will make that happen.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
7. most if not every Presidential candidate has release them in the past.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 10:40 AM
Jan 2012

and they should even if not a requirement.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
27. Do you honestly think even "This Media" will drop the Tax Returns issue
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:28 AM
Jan 2012

just like they did Obama's Birth Certificate

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
30. I'm far more interested in a candidate's tax returns than I am about where he/she was born.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:33 AM
Jan 2012

Funny how the Tea Party - with all of their outrage about Obama's birth certificate - doesn't seem to have nearly as much interest in demanding that Mitt release his tax returns.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
2. MSNBC needs to talk about something else, rather than...
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 10:35 AM
Jan 2012

telling the same story over and over again, program after program. They pick 4 subjects and tell the story in 6 different ways ad nauseum. Talk about free advertising. Even if it is adverse, it is advertising.

Rarely do they mention Obama's accomplishments or show much of his speeches.

How many times do you need to put down Romney, Gingrich or Santorum and get any effect? Watch one news program and you've watched them all. On top of that, Rachel has gotten to the point where she describes the same instance in three different ways. I finally had to quit watching her, although I used to love her show. That technique grates on my nerves.

Grumpy...need another cuppa.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
5. The media is obsessed with the GOP race at the moment.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 10:39 AM
Jan 2012

I think it still captures alot of eyeballs but I agree its become boring and nauseating.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
8. I was predicting that before but how would that work if Romney has the votes?
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 10:43 AM
Jan 2012

If Romney has the required number of delegates how can anyone else jump in?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
9. He's a long way from having the votes. He has 20 of the needed 1144.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 10:49 AM
Jan 2012

I think filing dates and momentum will keep others from coming in late.

I also think that the longer the gop race goes, the better for Obama, to a certain point. Another month or two of republican infighting is good for Obama. Once we get to March or April, the focus needs to shift to the gop nominee vs. Obama, for the reasons mentioned in your OP.

Edit to add link to delegate tracking: http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
13. Perhaps.. but at some point soon it will be too late if Romney continues to win every state.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 10:56 AM
Jan 2012

I agree the Republican infighting is good and it may not stop even if Mittens locks it up. The Teaparty and hard rightwing are already pissed and will get even more pissed if they are ignored.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
12. Hold on - since when have Republicans cared about vote integrity?
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 10:50 AM
Jan 2012

It's just a jr. high popularity contest for them.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
10. Except for one thing, the media is not on our side.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 10:49 AM
Jan 2012

Normally I would agree to know who their nominee is far in advance of the general election. The sooner the better.
But, this year, I don't think that is necessarily a good thing for us.

unblock

(52,208 posts)
14. a messy primary season is rarely good for a party
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 10:56 AM
Jan 2012

and in fact is a fair indication that that party will lose the general.

i'm fine with romney having comparatively little time to consolidate his position as his party's choice.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
16. Clearly there are benefits of a messy GOP primary for us but..
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:00 AM
Jan 2012

I guess my biggest fear is that no candidate has enough votes to claim the nomination outright. Then that opens up the possibility of a brokered convention and then anyone could be brought in.. eg.. Jeb Bush. We do not want that scenario.

unblock

(52,208 posts)
20. that's a fantasy scenario that very rarely happens. besides, jeb's not jumping in to lose to obama.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:10 AM
Jan 2012

if you're jeb, wouldn't you much prefer to take your chance in 2016?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
28. That's probably correct but I think we win this thing unless something crazy like that happens.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:28 AM
Jan 2012

If you believe the GOPers they think they can win this easily with the economy still in tatters if they had a decent candidate.

yardwork

(61,599 posts)
15. I don't know. I think that the Republicans are doing a great job destroying themselves.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 10:58 AM
Jan 2012

I don't want it to end soon. I mean, Gingrich is calling Romney out for being a corporate raider. As soon as Romney gets the nomination all that dissent will stop and the pr machine will go into swing.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
18. Yes, thats true but Im not sure all the dissent will stop.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:03 AM
Jan 2012

There are alot of angry conservatives out there and I dont see them falling in line for a flip-flopping Massachusettes liberal Republican.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
17. Napoleon once remarked that it is rude to interrupt your enemy while he is self destructing..
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:02 AM
Jan 2012

Any issues that fellow Republicans raise regarding Romney are automatically going to be taken more seriously by the liberal media than anything Democrats might cavil about.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
19. Good point... but it seems the self-destruct process has run its course.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:06 AM
Jan 2012

Most are getting bored with it now. The worst of it is over and we need to move on to the next level... destroying the actual candidate.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
29. Totally disagree.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:30 AM
Jan 2012

We want those clowns bickering among themselves, digging up dirt and running negative ads against each other, spending money in pursuit of the nomination, and pandering to right-wing tea party lunatics, for as long as possible.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
32. Thats a good argument I had not thought of... ie. drain their resources.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:41 AM
Jan 2012

Clearly that would help the situation.

chemp

(730 posts)
34. yep. Have to agree
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 12:10 PM
Jan 2012

Once they have a candidate, they will fling their poo in the President's direction. Let them get more of it on themselves first.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
35. And it keeps Rs SPLIT--Divide
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 08:00 PM
Jan 2012

and Conquer is great politics.

Keeping hope alive for Gingrich Perry Santorum Paul and even Huntsman IMO will prevent "hearts from following" for individual Rs who embrace Romney. And continuing media scrutiny on Romney may pay off in HUGE scandals over such things as the marginal tax rate Romney is paying--see http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002166148 , for example.

 

surfdog

(624 posts)
36. I want it to drag out
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 08:03 PM
Jan 2012

So they can do as much damage to mitt as possible

I want them to hand Obama a very damaged and defeated Romney

JI7

(89,248 posts)
37. Disagree, there is no excitement in the Race regardless of who wins , especially Romney
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 08:03 PM
Jan 2012

the problem is the Candidates themselves .

let them spend money fighting each other, making it tougher to come together after.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
38. One of the main reasons I want this over with is to just get these idiots out of the headlines.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 07:59 AM
Jan 2012

Its nauseating to hear their assine comments non-stop 7x24. Also at some point even if their comments are totally wrong some people begin to believe it if they hear it enough times. Its time to move on to real campaign.. mano a mano.

Mosaic

(1,451 posts)
39. The problem is the greedy corporate media
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 08:02 AM
Jan 2012

They cause a lot of the commotion for their damn ratings and profits you see.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
41. Not in this case
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 08:34 AM
Jan 2012

There is a difference between a close race between two people when the public sees both as potential Presidents (Clinton - Obama), and the current mess on the republican side. If Newt takes SC and Santorum finishes reasonably well, there is a potential for a three way race between parties that only a select minority see as viable. Even if SC boils down to a Romney win with Santorum and Gingrich nipping at his heels, this could extend for some time. Huntsman and Perry are probably done, and their support, while small, will move to other candidates, leaving the door open to an unsettled race.

There is now potential for the evangelicals to unite behind Santorum, and the paleoconservatives to follow Gingrich, with the remainder supporting Romney. Ron Paul will continue to pull his +/- 20%. THis could keep several of them in the race for some distance, with perhaps more than one or two extras making it to the convention. Having it sort out at the convention instead of at the hands of the voters could carry a great deal of dysfunction into the fall.

Where the potential pitfall lies for the R's is a convention with no clear winner delivered by the voters. If Romney stiches it up early their convention becomes a coronation, if he walks in short on delegates and needs to cut deals to get the nom, many parties get a slice of primetime at the podium and their convention becomes "idiots on parade" (more than ususal).

The 2008 race for the D side was long and heavily fought, but the voters delivered a clear winner to the convention. This could be the difference.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
42. What positions?
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 08:53 AM
Jan 2012

Has he pulled them out of a Cracker Jack box lately?

(I have no idea if they still make Cracker Jack.)

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
44. They fluctuate depending on the weather.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 09:02 AM
Jan 2012

sure they still make cracker jack. I think its a popular as ever.

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