The Gums of Navarro

[H2O Man]

First, I think President Biden's speech to the nation was outstanding. I had come to think he would be a good president back in 1988, and have had a good opinion of him ever since. A Senator, Vice President, and now President. This is, in my opinion, the best speech of his career. I'm a proud supporter of Joe Biden.

I wish that issues with guns were not political. But republicans make them so. This leaves us no choice but to expose what damaged human beings republicans are. Along with women's health care and January 6 Committee hearings, we have what we need to defeat republicans come November.

The second issue is Peter Navarro. Last night, I participated on a couple OP/threads about Peter's interview on Ari Melber's show. Malaise posted "Navarro is on Ari right now," which led to an interesting discussion. On post #34, I noted that Ari knew Navarro was going to be indicted, which was why he conducted the interview in the manner that he did.

Keep in mind that Navarro has opted to represent himself in legal dealings with the House Committee. Bad choice. Even a moderately talented attorney would have advised him to stay away from the media -- especially Ari's show, where he had already laid out the Trump cult's plan to overthrow the 2020 election. And Ari played Navarro yet again: ask a few questions, and sit back while Peter runs his mouth.

It seemed obvious that Navarro -- who threatened "revenge" in 2024 -- was under extreme stress. He couldn't shut his mouth. As unattractive as it was, it was a good thing.

[bigtree]

1. his mouth, indeed

...and he's initially opted to represent himself in the proceedings.

We should expect much more of Navarro talking through his foot.

[H2O Man]

2. Right.

He even spoke outside after his court hearing today. The more he talks, the better!

[Ocelot II]

3. I am wondering whether Navarro has gone mad, or has Alzheimers or something,

because he didn't used to be like that. He has a Ph.D. in economics from Harvard, and has taught economics at the UC, San Diego the University of San Diego, and UC, Irvine for years and is now a professor emeritus. He used to be a Democrat, and he supported Clinton in 2008. In other words, he had a pretty normal, respectable career for a long time, but something about getting involved in TFG's administration seems to have caused him to jump the rails. He's not super old, born in 1949, but maybe he's lost the plot?

[H2O Man]

7. He does not seem

to be doing well. I agree that he was a intelligent person, and that there appears to have been a decline. It might be the result of a number of factors. It is clear that the stress and anxiety he feels are fueling the rage he is expressing now.

[Hekate]

65. Rick Wilson said it best: Everything Trump Touches Dies

Mehdi Hassan gave his first segment tonight on Navarro, and it was stunning to be reminded of his 1990s life as a Democrat. He travelled a long and crooked road before Jared Kushner got him in to the Trump admin.

Even so — ETTD

[Vdizzle]

33. One word explains it...

Kompromat.

[brush]

38. He provided the kompromat himself on his previous appearance...

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on Melber's show a few weeks ago. He described his plan to overturn the 2020 election vividly. He called it the "Greenbay Sweep." It involved over 100 other people who would put forward alternate slates of EC votes in several states rather than the ones already certified by state authorities and scheduled to be ratified by Pence on J6.

They would be thrown out and the fake ones, sign by republicans (oh the criminal stupidity), and the end result would somehow throw the election into state legislatures, or the House, who knows. It was all so crazy and implausible but Navarro was dead earnest on Ari's show when he describe his obvious complicity in a detailed coup attempt.

Melber even asked him if he didn't understand that he just described his participation in a coup attempt against the US Government.

Navarro didn't seem to understand. Something obviously has happened to his brain since hooking up with the trump cabal.

[H2O Man]

46. That was stunning.

I think it was his second time on Ari's show. It was hard to believe my ears as I listened to it.

I don't care how smart a person is -- in such a context, you always get an attorney. S/he will give objective advice. Things like "avoid the media."

[brush]

57. Yes, he should've gotten a lawyer, and never went on Ari's show.

He watched too many of the other republicans snub their noses at subpoenas and thought he should do it too.

They didn't describe a step-by-step coup plan/attempt on national TV though.

Just dumb.

[H2O Man]

59. How could he

not have known this? That is beyond stupid. Shut your mouth, and get a lawyer -- everyone should know that. Especially someone who very clearly has something(s) to hide.

[H2O Man]

45. +1

[Attilatheblond]

49. Yep it seems to be how TFG operates

Betting Putin has dossiers on just about anybody who might become somebody or be useful here in the Land of the Free, Home of Way Too Many Cowards.

[ultralite001]

4. Navarro would have refused...

a vaccine for foot in mouth disease…

That is all…

[H2O Man]

8. +1

Well done!

[PJMcK]

5. Navarro is toast (n/t)

[H2O Man]

9. I agree.

I think he knows it, too.

[PJMcK]

13. I'm not sure

He’s so cocky and aggressive that he might not realize his precarious situation.

Or maybe he’s really dumb.

[H2O Man]

17. I liked what

Ari said today .... not an exact quote, but he said Peter had thought he was on the offense. He compared Navarro to a fish that is on the hunt for food, only to find it has been hooked.

[hatrack]

19. Ockham's Razor points to possibility #2

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[H2O Man]

68. Right.

[blm]

6. 😏

So right on, Waterman.

[H2O Man]

10. Thank you!

[magicarpet]

11. Navarro here is a five gallon canister of gasoline....

.... now go light your ass on fire...... BBQ trDUMP too.

[H2O Man]

18. Yep!

Hard to say you don't want to talk to Congress about a topic you speak about in the media, and write about in your book.

[agingdem]

12. I don't think Ari knew of the indictment..it was under seal

but I think Ari was in lawyer mode..he warned Navarro "they can hear you"..he gave Navarro every opportunity to shut up and stop tripping over his big mouth and, yet, because of Navarro's mammoth sized ego and persecution complex, he wouldn't stop, couldn't stop..he insisted on making his "point"...

[H2O Man]

20. I agree that

Ari would not have known about the sealed indictment. But I think he knew an indictment was coming. Navarro is trying to "negotiate" with the DOJ's grand jury, and had completely ignored any communication with the House Committee. There are consequences for such behaviors.

[ecstatic]

69. Repugs are completely unhinged and delusional.

Just look at what gohmert said today. He truly believes that they should be allowed to lie to Congress and the FBI with no repercussions.

[RussBLib]

14. anyone hear where Navarro was headed on that flight?

Hungary, perhaps?

Said he was a flight risk.

[malaise]

16. Nashville - he said it n/t

[Grammy23]

23. He said he was going to Nashville to

be on Mike Huckabee’s show. He was beyond livid at his arrest. They actually used cuffs and shackles. I thought he might cry. The audacity. All they had to do was come to his house. So says Navarro.

Navarro is delusional if he thinks this is how things work when there is an indictment for your ass. He already had his chance to cooperate with the Feds.

I’m pretty sure his PhD in Economics won’t help him much in court. He might have been wiser to get a lawyer. Oh, yea. He said it would take a huge hunk of his retirement to hire a lawyer. Maybe he won’t need it so much if he is incarcerated for a few years. The Feds will give him room and board. 😂😂😂

[H2O Man]

26. Absolutely!

Thank you for this -- you nailed it!

I've encountered males who think if they get angry, yell, and make threats, they will get their own way. Peter is one of them.

I believe the judge appointed a lawyer to advise him. That lawyer should be paid double-time. At least.

[Higherarky]

63. IKR

"I've encountered males who think if they get angry, yell, and make threats, they will get their own way. Peter is one of them."


& then there was brett kavanaugh, who actually got hysterical & CRIED to get what he wanted, & enough congresscritters bought it for him to actually get what he wanted.

I mean, WTAlmightyF???!!!

[malaise]

35. The law only applies to we peons

He is above the law.
Now he knows otherwise

[H2O Man]

21. That was important.

Identifying him as a flight risk was based upon something. In time, we will find out. But thank you for noting that -- it is huge.

[malaise]

15. One of the all-time great OP titles

This deserves one of the great covers from the 1960s

From this day he shall be known as Gums

[H2O Man]

24. Thank you!

I wasn't sure what I might title the OP as I wrote it. Then it just popped into my head. I thought it was funny.

[malaise]

27. It is hilarious

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Gums has loose lips.

[H2O Man]

42. Thanks!

My children often tell me not to attempt to make jokes, because I am the only person in human history that thinks I'm funny. So I'm glad that others like the title, too!

[Haggis 4 Breakfast]

47. Well, your children are simply wrong !!

I almost spit on the keyboard.

[H2O Man]

53. Thanks!

[malaise]

58. Like I wrote

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One of the great OP threads titles I've seen at DU - I won't ever see Navarro and not think Gums

[H2O Man]

60. I tend to watch

people's mouths when they are talking. Eyes, too. But Peter's snarling mouth stood out to me.

[malaise]

75. Ha

😀😀

[H2O Man]

80. There is now

an OP here titled "Did Ted Cruz just swallow a fly?" where one needs to watch his mouth.

[2naSalit]

31. Title deserves a DUzy award!

[H2O Man]

43. I had wondered

if enough DUers were old enough to have seen the classic film the title is based upon.

[Kid Berwyn]

86. Where are the words? Memories of Alistair Stuart MacLean...

…replaced by images on the screen. So, Scofflaws.

You are so correct about the thread title, malaise. Gums!

[aggiesal]

22. Don't ruin a great movie (The Guns of Navarone) with this @$$h0le n/t

[H2O Man]

25. True!

It is a classic film!

But I couldn't help myself.

[Sympthsical]

28. Upvote for thread title alone

That is great.

[H2O Man]

44. Thank you!

I am tempted to send a link to the OP/discussion to Ari.

[2naSalit]

29. LOL

But serial, I agree that he did himself in by going on the teevee machine and spilling his guts while trying to look like he had control of the situation. Ari even warned him but that wasn't going to stop him.

I mean, man, there was a cliff and he was determined to drive right off it. How can you argue with that?

If he had some sense of human decency I might have felt just a little bit sorry for him while I watched him slit his throat, but, nah.

[malaise]

36. He doesn't even have basic manners

[H2O Man]

48. He reminds me

of guys I've known that are sure if they scowl, yell, and threaten, everyone will back down in fear. Bad mistake on his part. Now he has to pay his dues.

[2naSalit]

64. Glad I stocked up on popcorn!

This is starting be like the early fireworks a couple days ahead of July 4th!

[H2O Man]

70. I think that

the January 6 Committee's first televised hearing in 2022 is next Thursday, June 9, at 8 pm/est. It will definitely be a historic fireworks display.

A lady who was a neighbor I hadn't heard from in 40+ years -- until facebook re-connected us, asked if I thought these hearings would make a difference? I said that I think the three-group model works: A is the cult, and the hearings will not change their thinking (if they ever do think); B is those of us who recognize the threat the cult poses for democracy; and C is the uninformed, but not really interested segment.

Our job is to get Group C to become informed. They will hear or read some of the media reports, even if they don't watch the first hearing. We will have new "talking points," based on the explosive information revealed next Thursday. It is unlikely that any member of Group C will decide they like what happened on January 6, or what's going on in this country.

[Joinfortmill]

30. ROFL

[H2O Man]

50. Thank you!

[H2O Man]

51. Yes.

He is the gift that will keep on giving.

[Martin Eden]

34. The Hubris of TFG and his inner circle

Is like a gauntlet thrown at the feet of America's institutions of justice.

That gauntlet is being picked up, and ... Oh what a sight it will be when the smirks on their faces are slapped off with the gauntlet of their own hubris!

[malaise]

37. THIS

Nothing applies to them

[H2O Man]

52. Very well said!

Thank you.

[spanone]

39. ...K&R...

Yessir.

[H2O Man]

54. Thank you!

I enjoyed watching Peter sputter after he got out of court. He isn't able to recognize they aren't bluffing or playing games.

[panader0]

40. Gregory Peck, Davis Niven and Anthony Quinn will blow up those gums.

[H2O Man]

55. Ha!!!

I love that movie.

[towerbum]

41. he knew he was nailed! tried tdfg trick's & didn't work !

people have had a belly full of the Republican BULL -SHIT ! no need to say more !

[H2O Man]

56. Thanks!

I'm sure that people in the DOJ are aware of the very real dangers of the republican shit. I really like your response here -- and surely hope that you do say more!

[towerbum]

61. thank ya & enough people need to say--

we've had enough of this gun shit & we won't take it no more ! need to flood the media ,congress critter's , governor's , the whole damn shit'n bunch of the government with e-mail , their social media, offices, every damn day until nov. !don't any attention to ad's an lies to get their ass back in! hit the republican taliban where it will play hell with there propaganda bs !

[H2O Man]

71. I wish that

the DU community would start making coordinated efforts in this area. I'm a life-long Democrat, with over half a century in grass roots activism. I've never seen a time when activism is more necessary, but that there have been issues that make victory a sure thing if we all do our best. And our best is coordinated.

I know that some people correctly point out that DU is a small community. But I also remember Malcolm X's teachings about how a powder keg is inert by itself. It requires the smallest part -- the fuse -- to reach its potential. And a coordinated campaign to contact one (or more) representative's office, or a journalist, could easily multiply.

[BootinUp]

62. TY for the witty thread! nt

[H2O Man]

72. Thanks!

[Stuart G]

66. K and R Thanks for Posting ..

[H2O Man]

73. Thank you!

[Hekate]

67. Love your post title, Waterman. We're going to need extra popcorn for this movie.

[H2O Man]

74. Thanks!

I can't wait until Thursday's first January 6 Committee's first televised hearing of 2022. I think that it will be the most important congressional hearing to date -- more than Watergate or Iran-Contra, as intensely important as they were. And I look forward to conversations here!

[Novara]

76. They all go slowly insane

Everything the orange motherfucker touches, dies. Everyone in contact with him ends up with brain damage. I wonder if their brains simply implode trying to make sense of his insanity, then then they surrender to the cult because there's nothing but mush left.

Navarro's problem is his supreme arrogance. When you listen to him, he's convinced this was the greatest plan ever in the history of the world, There's no hint of knowledge that it's criminal. This is the most important thing he's ever done, and it was brilliant and gosh, the laws of this country put a stop to it, and if only people can see how brilliant it is, ... so he'll keep telling us how brilliant the plan is. This is precisely why I think he'll be the first to get convicted. He's convincting himself every time he sees a camera and a microphone. He can't shut up.

Oh, and he said that while working for the orange motherfucker he saved a million lives. COST a million lives due to COVID is more like it.

Oh, to have the arrogance of a mediocre white man...

[malaise]

77. I was in John Hinkley's jail cell😀😀😀

Here’s more proof😀😀😀

https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1532829087139606532

[H2O Man]

79. That was a nice touch.

[H2O Man]

78. He's not well.

It is interesting how a relationship with Trump changes people like Peter. Erich Fromm's 1973 book, "The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness" described how, when a sociopath gains political power, it brings forth the pathologies of those around him. And exactly like you say, they believe their efforts are brilliant.

[Novara]

81. With that in mind, think about the damage done to the country.

It isn't just the people who were close to him; it's a hell of a lot of everyday yahoos who model themselves after him and his worst behaviors.

The thought turns my stomach.

[H2O Man]

82. Absolutely!

It's people we know and encounter in a variety of settings. I include people I've know for many decades, who previously seemed relatively intelligent. I recently started an OP by quoting from Fromm's 1955 classic "The Sane Society," where he explains the difference between a sick individual and a sick society. We have surpassed every marker he wrote about.

[Saoirse9]

83. I just don't know how

we repair the damage to some Americans' psyche. Intelligent people become so gullible and stupid.

My sisters and brother, my boss, and loads of other people too numerous to mention.

Mass psychosis.

[H2O Man]

85. I hear you.

Shared delusional disorders are tough nuts to crack. It is more difficult because of the internet, where such delusions are reinforced by the latest lie.

In the past, it has taken a 9-11 to bring a divided country together, if only briefly ..... but it would seem unlikely to do so today.

[Novara]

88. It's been dystopian for a while now

The sick thing is, people are so used to it that the insanity has become normalized.

[H2O Man]

89. True.

I remember one of the cassette tapes Rubin Carter sent me in 1974, regarding prison. New inmates tend to isolate and watch the flow of daily life there. Then they become acclimated to it. And then they become part of that sick system.

[Kid Berwyn]

84. The Green Bay Sweep had a lot of players.

About 2/3 of the GOP in the House and 1/2 Senate are on the team. And a lot of the are…oogh!



Our team needs a lot of volunteers. Count me in, Gregory Peckory!

[H2O Man]

87. Navarro is just

the tip of the ice cube. While he presents as rigid now, I keep in mind that rigid things break under pressure. It is obvious that he is having enough pressure applied to increase the stress that he is under ..... a type he has never encountered in his life previously. While some think the possibility of a large fine and a year in prison per count, his experience in lock up yesterday may make him break.

The court-appointed attorney will likely tell Peter that the House Committee and DOJ already have enough evidence to convict him. A good part of that comes from his media rants, and his book. But an attorney will make clear to him that a heck of a lot of other people have provided evidence of his role.

Looking forward to Thursday's televised hearing!

[Kid Berwyn]

90. Sharing Hinkley's cell got to Gums.

Maybe he knows something Lee Harvey Oswald knew.

A LIFE THAT STARTED OUT WITH MUCH PROMISE TOOK RECLUSIVE AND HOSTILE PATH

By Joseph B. Treaster
The New York Times, April 1, 1981

Excerpt…

In recent months, Mr. Hinckley's parents reportedly told the investigators, the 25-year-old man had been ''aimlessly wandering'' the country. They had provided psychiatric care, they said in a statement, but medical evaluations had ''alerted no one to the seriousness of his condition.''

Snip…

“I only saw him with another human being one time,'' Mr. Swafford said, ''He and another guy were going up to his apartment. They weren't saying anything. I'd say something to him, but he'd never say anything back. He always hit me as kind of strange.''

Snip..

In Denver, a friend of Mr. Hinckley's father, John W. Hinckley, who is the president and chairman of the Vanderbilt Energy Corporation, an oil and gas prospecting company with annual revenues of more than $4 million, said the young man had shown an early interest in writing and music.

Snip…

Early in 1978 Mr. Hinckley went to the Chicago headquarters of the National Socialist Party of America, often referred to as the Nazi Party of America, and was accepted as a member, according to Michael C. Allen, the president-elect of the organization.

The following year, however, the organization refused to renew Mr. Hinckley's membership, Mr. Allen said, because of his ''violent nature.'' 'Talking About Shooting People'

Snip…

The pawn shop, which is about a mile from the spot where President John F. Kennedy was assassinated 18 years ago, has a sign over the front door that reads, ''Guns don't cause crime any more than flies cause garbage.''

Snip…

The eldest Hinckley child, Scott, 30, is the vice president of the his father's company and a friend of Neil Bush, the son of Vice President Bush. Scott Hinckley and a date had been invited to dinner at the young Bushes' home last night, but the dinner was canceled after the shooting. Mr. Hinckley's sister, Diane, 28, is a former cheerleader now married to Stephen Sims, a Dallas insurance underwriter.

Continues…

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/04/01/us/a-life-that-started-out-with-much-promise-took-reclusive-and-hostile-path.html

If the driver had gone to the hospital ER the SS wanted, Pruneface would’ve bled out in 1981.

No wonder Pence refused the ride in 2021.

Thursday is gonna be boffo.

[MineralMan]

91. I saw what you did there. LOL!

Great thread title!

[H2O Man]

93. Thank you!

[sheshe2]

92. Looks like he is gumming up his case.

Thanks for the laugh, H2O Man.

[H2O Man]

94. Thanks!

Call me suspicious, but I will go so far as to speculate that Peter has something to hide! I know i'm going out on a limb here, put based upon his involvement in the effort to overturn the election, I don't think he's taking a stand on priciple. (grin)

Oh, I cannot wait until Thursday evening's hearing!

[sheshe2]

95. Hell yes, he has a lot hidden in his closet.

The man doth protest too much and the feigned outrage is over the top.

He has been labeled a flight risk, there is a reason for that.