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babylonsister

(171,094 posts)
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:22 AM Jun 2022

Opinion: Democrats shouldn't be so quick to throw Biden overboard


Opinion: Democrats shouldn't be so quick to throw Biden overboard
Opinion by Julian Zelizer, CNN Political Analyst
Updated 11:02 PM ET, Thu June 16, 2022
"Julian Zelizer, a CNN political analyst, is a professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University. He is the author and editor of 24 books, including, "The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: A First Historical Assessment." Follow him on Twitter @julianzelizer. The views expressed in this commentary are his own. View more opinion on CNN."

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Barring any major bombshells or revelations, the notion that Biden should relegate himself to one term doesn't make much sense on paper.Although his opponents like to paint him as a total failure, Biden's legislative accomplishments stack up well compared to other presidents at this stage in their first terms.

The American Rescue Plan and the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act are two major initiatives that passed despite intense polarization and the Democrats' narrow majorities in Congress. And both pieces of legislation have been integral to the nation's recovery from the pandemic. The Biden administration also oversaw the swift rollout of the Covid-19 vaccines, which have been key to protecting the country against the damage caused by new variants.

On foreign policy, Biden has enjoyed considerable success strengthening NATO and ratcheting up economic sanctions against Russia while providing critical aid to Ukraine. As New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman wrote about his off-the-record lunch with the President, "What I felt afterward was this: For all you knuckleheads on Fox who say that Biden can't put two sentences together, here's a news flash: He just put NATO together, Europe together and the whole Western alliance together—stretching from Canada up to Finland and all the way to Japan—to help Ukraine protect its fledgling democracy from Vladimir Putin's fascist assault."

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Nor is it clear that there is another Democrat who would be in a better position come 2024. None of the major Democratic candidates in 2020 proved capable of mounting an appealing and formidable campaign. And some of those candidates, including Vice President Kamala Harris, are now weighed down by new questions about their viability and do not appear to be strong candidates against Trump in the current economic and political environment.

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Opinion: Democrats shouldn't be so quick to throw Biden overboard (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2022 OP
I hate these BS one term posts. LakeArenal Jun 2022 #1
Shoot, some people post Tucker Carlson talking points here all the time. BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #11
You wouldn't. LakeArenal Jun 2022 #13
Lol. BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #18
May I toss in a small bitch as well? Thanks. Magoo48 Jun 2022 #22
God, I SO agree. BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #24
Just saw another thread with a picture of his face and everyone commenting on how he looks. Magoo48 Jun 2022 #25
There are usually at least half a dozen a day. BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #26
Totally agree! I have no memory of any former president yellowdogintexas Jun 2022 #27
I know, and seeing him stay so popular here as a figure really is annoying. BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #38
Same. SAME. n/t moonscape Jun 2022 #65
🙄 LakeArenal Jun 2022 #28
AGREED. Same for the ass-umptions that the midterms vanlassie Jun 2022 #48
Yes. LakeArenal Jun 2022 #58
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 ... and ignoring Harris is 9th degree sexist uponit7771 Jun 2022 #55
WTF! Who's trying to throw Biden overboard? Baitball Blogger Jun 2022 #2
There are a few links babylonsister Jun 2022 #12
I can just guess where they say the whispering is coming from. NY Times, police thyself. Tommymac Jun 2022 #32
We get nibbles here, and in the world outside DU certain people think he's not progressive enough Hekate Jun 2022 #50
I doubt too many people will prioritize Ukraine over domestic economy. David__77 Jun 2022 #3
The most important foreign policy challenge that a president has faced since WWII. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #8
Where do these right wing talking points come from. NO ONE is throwing PRESIDENT Biden anywhere. onecaliberal Jun 2022 #4
The 1% controlled M$M has hated Biden since he pulled the US out of Afghani$tan Tommymac Jun 2022 #36
The piece of shit they worship tried to kill the Vice President of the United States onecaliberal Jun 2022 #51
But that piece of shit draws ratings big time. Tommymac Jun 2022 #56
This country is disgusting. onecaliberal Jun 2022 #63
Biden 2024! flamingdem Jun 2022 #5
It's just the friggin headline, people BeyondGeography Jun 2022 #6
A sucky divisive headline. LakeArenal Jun 2022 #14
Did you even READ the article dear? BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #21
Yes sweetie I did. LakeArenal Jun 2022 #29
I have no idea why you seem to have a problem with me, but then how do you object to the article? BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #31
Reading comprehension. Treefrog Jun 2022 #43
Thank you. BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #19
So you say. LakeArenal Jun 2022 #30
Gotta admit, you're cracking me up here. BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #35
You seem upset dear... LakeArenal Jun 2022 #37
Aw. I think I'll survive. BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #40
If you think bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #7
Biden gave us plenty of ammo to go on offense. gulliver Jun 2022 #9
I agree Bettie Jun 2022 #10
Both Obama and Clinton were unpopular at this point in their tenure, in fact, Lincoln as well. NNadir Jun 2022 #15
This is the new, favorite meme floating through the ether peggysue2 Jun 2022 #16
It ain't new. LakeArenal Jun 2022 #33
Must have caught a glimpse of themselves... 2naSalit Jun 2022 #17
Of course they should NOT! BlueMTexpat Jun 2022 #20
Hear, hear! LoisB Jun 2022 #23
Seems like some think it's just fine LakeArenal Jun 2022 #34
You really, really missed the point of that article. BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #41
You have missed the point not I. LakeArenal Jun 2022 #45
Who started with the personal ? Hmm? BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #49
You should read my original post. LakeArenal Jun 2022 #52
No doubt that's why you spend your day on a computer. BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #53
Now that is funny!!!! LakeArenal Jun 2022 #54
Dude, I gotta go now, but I didn't brag about "living in paradise." BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #60
Thanks. For going. LakeArenal Jun 2022 #62
I don't see anyone here throwing Biden under the bus BWdem4life Jun 2022 #39
Riding with Biden stage left Jun 2022 #42
Who the hell is trying to throw him overboard? SergeStorms Jun 2022 #44
Biden and Harris are EndlessWire Jun 2022 #46
President Biden has been one of the best and unless you aren't paying attention or you are just lees1975 Jun 2022 #47
A GOOD MAN marieo1 Jun 2022 #57
If the fucking media would stop with this bullshit we'd be fine. Novara Jun 2022 #59
Just thinking about Traitor Tot running for president makes me nauseous. OMGWTF Jun 2022 #61
Less than two years into his term and they get itchy. LiberalFighter Jun 2022 #64

LakeArenal

(28,845 posts)
1. I hate these BS one term posts.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:26 AM
Jun 2022

“Throw Biden Overboard” sounds like a MAGA meme. It shouldn’t be a subject line here.




 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
11. Shoot, some people post Tucker Carlson talking points here all the time.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:40 AM
Jun 2022

Actual clips from Fox even, so I won’t get too upset by something like this.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
18. Lol.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 12:50 PM
Jun 2022

My, my, my.

You want to challenge my Democratic bona fides hon? My time on this board?

Come on, speak your mind.

Magoo48

(4,720 posts)
22. May I toss in a small bitch as well? Thanks.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 01:11 PM
Jun 2022

I am so sick of seeing tfg, and what he says about this or that. wtf, over. It’s almost like he’s still in the WH sometimes. Oh, I’m voting Biden—Harris in 24, unless Joe decides to pass the baton.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
24. God, I SO agree.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 01:15 PM
Jun 2022

Many just can’t quit tfg, or so it seems.

And I think comparing Joe to him is insulting.

Magoo48

(4,720 posts)
25. Just saw another thread with a picture of his face and everyone commenting on how he looks.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 01:19 PM
Jun 2022

Yup, me too.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
26. There are usually at least half a dozen a day.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 01:31 PM
Jun 2022

I hate all of them, but especially the ones comparing President Biden and that creep. Surely that’s not where we set the bar now?

yellowdogintexas

(22,270 posts)
27. Totally agree! I have no memory of any former president
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 01:35 PM
Jun 2022

remaining constantly in the media after leaving office. Ever.

Proper presidents go quietly into private life, and the good ones establish foundations and use their powers for good.

I am so sick of his ugly face, his whiney voice, his stand-up comic(?) routine, his crass insensitivity and most especially his ability to keep his followers whipped into a frenzy on a continual basis.

I wonder what would happen if everything he says or does is not even mentioned, except for the Jan 6 committee and potential lawsuits. I would consider it a relief.

Because of the Schwab Challenge PGA tournament the week of Memorial Day and the Van Cliburn International Piano Competition here in Fort Worth, I have had a welcome break from everything.

Baitball Blogger

(46,758 posts)
2. WTF! Who's trying to throw Biden overboard?
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:28 AM
Jun 2022

Man has done more for minorities, including Obama, in my opinion. And he's beginning to gird his loins to fight the asshole Republicans who are trying to obstruct him in Congress, as well as ready to tackle the corporate gougers who are intentionally causing financial sorrow in this country, specifically to make Biden's Administration less palpable to the voter.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
32. I can just guess where they say the whispering is coming from. NY Times, police thyself.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 01:42 PM
Jun 2022

I hate the Times. The poster child of 1% obfuscation.

IMO been a real two faced 'bothsiderism' rag since the 20th Century ended.


Hekate

(90,827 posts)
50. We get nibbles here, and in the world outside DU certain people think he's not progressive enough
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 02:02 PM
Jun 2022

‘Nuff said

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
8. The most important foreign policy challenge that a president has faced since WWII.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:35 AM
Jun 2022

And Joe Biden has done a brilliant job re-uniting an alliance that TFG tried to destroy.

There were isolationists who looked the other way when Hitler committed genocide, and look how that turned out.

100% with Joe Biden. One of the all-time greats. An every level.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
36. The 1% controlled M$M has hated Biden since he pulled the US out of Afghani$tan
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 01:43 PM
Jun 2022

All those war profits lost. Boo Hoo 1%.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
56. But that piece of shit draws ratings big time.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 02:11 PM
Jun 2022

Sad but true. TFG is a sacred cash cow to the 1% and it's media enablers.

Joe is just a moo.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
31. I have no idea why you seem to have a problem with me, but then how do you object to the article?
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 01:41 PM
Jun 2022

It makes a point in FAVOR of Joe.

Oh, good lord.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
35. Gotta admit, you're cracking me up here.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 01:43 PM
Jun 2022

I saw you post the other day about people being snarky.

Irony. It lives.

Not sure what I’ve ever done to offend you, but have at it. All good.

bucolic_frolic

(43,299 posts)
7. If you think
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:34 AM
Jun 2022

Americans can't discriminate against the aged ... just realize they've discriminated against everyone else!

gulliver

(13,195 posts)
9. Biden gave us plenty of ammo to go on offense.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:37 AM
Jun 2022

We should be on offense on everything.

Inflation? The ignorant Republican trade war they stampeded into because Trump has them by the short hairs caused that. Trump's switching the Republican Party to supporting Putin also did.

Bettie

(16,126 posts)
10. I agree
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:39 AM
Jun 2022

at this point, he's been hampered by every last republican and two stubborn Democrats.

If we can manage to give him a real senate majority and hold the house, a whole lot can be done and he seems willing to do it.

NNadir

(33,561 posts)
15. Both Obama and Clinton were unpopular at this point in their tenure, in fact, Lincoln as well.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 12:04 PM
Jun 2022

I admire both men, but at this point in history, the American genius for producing a great Presidency after a disastrous one is before us.

President Biden has the right mix of experience and decency to fix what ails us, as we face the most divisive point in our history since 1860. Hopefully it doesn't get as bad as 1860, but if it does, there's no one of whom I can think who would be better than Joe Biden.

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)
16. This is the new, favorite meme floating through the ether
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 12:09 PM
Jun 2022

Biden is too old, Biden should bow out in 2024, Dems are whispering about replacing Biden on the ticket, yada, yada, yada.

Hummmm. Who or what do these murmurs and whispers help? Did Democrats take the midterm advantage when they distanced themselves from President Obama and the ACA?

Because the noise and chatter is floating around doesn't make it wise advice. It's why I applaud Stacey Abrams who has welcomed President Biden with a full-throated Come on Down to campaign with her.

Time to play it smart and brave and stubbornly resolute.

We are the Pro-Democracy Party, Trumpsters. Deal with it!

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
49. Who started with the personal ? Hmm?
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 02:00 PM
Jun 2022

Read back.

And now I have a cookout to get to.

I so hope your day improves. You seem peeved. No one likes feeling peevish.

It’s a gorgeous day, so you have a great one now, y’hear?

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
60. Dude, I gotta go now, but I didn't brag about "living in paradise."
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 02:14 PM
Jun 2022

I adore where I live, and I do have places to go today. People to see, dog play dates scheduled, hiking, cookout, canoes, burgers, the lake, float boat, watermelon, frisbee…

Seems sad if you live in “paradise” but spend all day on a computer. Again, I hope you can find some fun in “paradise” today.

Now, I can see you need the last word, so go for it…dogs already in the car and I very rarely use my phone for DU. So buhbye!

BWdem4life

(1,697 posts)
39. I don't see anyone here throwing Biden under the bus
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 01:45 PM
Jun 2022

And I wouldn't expect it even in 2024. If Biden wants ro run, he'll run. If not, we have a deep bench. Either way, I don't get why we're constantly seeing articles about this in 2022. And 2021. And even 2020.



And this is from a die-hard Bernie supporter, btw.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
44. Who the hell is trying to throw him overboard?
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 01:50 PM
Jun 2022

We might wish he'd do some things differently, or hasten our pet projects along, but we'll never "throw him overboard".

Ridiculous statement.

EndlessWire

(6,569 posts)
46. Biden and Harris are
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 01:55 PM
Jun 2022

a breath of fresh air. Except for constantly hearing about and from the Orange Turd and his ilk, I have never felt safer. I don't agree with absolutely everything he does, but no one should expect 100% agreement with another human being. Even when you're married, you fight occasionally.

I trust Biden's motives, his expertise in political matters, and the fact that he can consult with others that are also smart, sane, and motivated for the good of the country is icing on the cake. I would vote for Secretary Pete, when and if he comes along, but in 2024, I expect to be casting my vote for President Biden. If not Biden, because he chooses, and he alone, to hand the baton over, then I will vote for Harris.

But, I have to add here, I would vote for anyone but a Repub or Libertarian. That's what they have done to me, polarized me completely against the fascist party and all that it stands for.

lees1975

(3,879 posts)
47. President Biden has been one of the best and unless you aren't paying attention or you are just
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 01:55 PM
Jun 2022

hopelessly a biased Republican, he's achieved more in less than two years than both Bushes and Trump were able to tear down and destroy in their time in office.

And Harris has been Vice-President, for goodness sake, how can you evaluate her "job performance" for doing a job that is essentially keeping an eye on the senate for breaking tie votes and sitting around waiting for a call.

If you want to watch the effects of cognitive impairment, take a look at a video of a Trump rally if you can stand the rhetoric and the lies. He can't put two sentences together, loses his train of thought, rambles on and can't make a point. He slurs words, grasps for words and has a fifteen word vocabulary.

Novara

(5,851 posts)
59. If the fucking media would stop with this bullshit we'd be fine.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 02:13 PM
Jun 2022

They make and break presidencies. If they would have honestly reported on the orange motherfucker's awfulness instead of going "Ooooo, shiny!" every time he opened his piehole, we wouldn't be in this mess. If they EVER talked about Biden's accomplishments, he'd be guaranteed a second term. If they honestly talked about inflation - that it is a WORLDWIDE problem, not limited to the U.S. - he wouldn't be getting all the blame.

Grrrrrrr.

OMGWTF

(3,976 posts)
61. Just thinking about Traitor Tot running for president makes me nauseous.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 02:16 PM
Jun 2022

No surprise, since I literally puked when I heard he had "won".

LiberalFighter

(51,094 posts)
64. Less than two years into his term and they get itchy.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 02:24 PM
Jun 2022

I don't trust anyone that talks about the next term now. I question their integrity and motives.

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