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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMerrick Garland is not the problem nor is the DOJ at the end of the day...
If sitting GOP House and Senate members are unwilling to oppose fascist autocracy, the nation cant stop it.
Yes, Merrick and the DOJ must indict many members of the GOP for their actions on Jan 6 and other dates, but it will make NO difference even if you convict and jail MTG and Boebert and even traitor trump IF the rest of the GOP wont be patriots.
DeSantis will be waiting and the revitalized and angrier than ever GOP will end our democracy in a heartbeat. There are simply too many of them willing to end our democracy for their white supremacy regime. Which is what all this is about, of course.
I worded it "at the end of the day" because I will be very angry if they dont indict some of these traitors. But I realize our future lies solely in the hands of the GOP leadership, politicians and rank and file. If MAGA gets no resistance, bye bye America.
Our survival ALWAYS depended on the VAST majority agreeing that the peaceful transfer of power is the basis of our existence. Near half the country now believes their power is the basis for our existence.
If you know a repub, talk to them, tell them not to do this. Tell them to make their voice heard. I know some, I am talking to them.
Ohio Joe
(21,756 posts)But... That is what today's GQP has become. Fucking crazy.
live love laugh
(13,109 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)Rather than, "Well, let's just wait until next election." that will be even more stacked against us.
The Republicans are counting on that the act of having "elections" will be enough to convince people that we are still a Democracy.
Celerity
(43,361 posts)If things go as pear shaped as they certainly could in 2022 and 2024, and we end up with christofascist tripartite Rethug control (all 3 branches of the Federal government, plus, beyond that, a shit tonne of States also having Rethug trifectas), which is then followed by an attempt to then nationalise the christofascism, (ram it forcibly out into the Blue states starting in 2025), then there are likely no actially effective options that are compatible with stances based off normalcy bias and 'it should never have been able to happen here, but even though it did, the worm will turn, the genie can be put back into the bottle' thinking.
IF, come 2025, the above has occurred and is occurring, then the options are few in terms of good ones.
If the Blue states refuse to submit to the attempted christofash nationalisation and start to ignore fascist SCOTUS rulings and fascist laws, the clock truly starts ticking.
If the Rethugs try to enforce their rule via the use of force, then the Blue states either submit to the tyranny, or they kinetically fight back, or they start secession proceedings (which will likely lead to kinetic conflict as well).
If the Rethugs do not try and enforce their nationalised fascism attempts via force, and just let the Blue States slide, then many Red States will do the same with laws that THEY do not like, and chaos ensues again.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)Among other things.
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BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)TALK to any repub you know and tell them they have to do the right thing!
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dem4decades
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ArnoldLayne
(2,067 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,231 posts)I am happy that Merrick Garland is being careful in building a case
dem4decades
(11,293 posts)uponit7771
(90,339 posts)... on the other hand if we do similar to Spain circa 1937, which it looks like we're right on track to do, this happens again and again until they win.
The GZP doesn't believe in liberal democracy they need to be invited out of the country, period.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,574 posts)sorry I can't get it to display. It's a link to Imgur. It's something I made, like a meme.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)and said "nothing to see here, no reason to vote."
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)People want to think its our half against their half, but it is really thirds, ours, theirs and the third who are willing to just let the Rs drive us over a cliff.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)Perhaps you are giving them too much power. Many moderates and independents will likely turn away from Trump, just as they did after Nixon's debacles. MTG, Boebert, et al will become persona non grata.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)I worry that the polls that say 80% of the GOP still support trump is bad news. Or that only 20% saw an issue with Jan 6.
I worry that ONE HUNDRED MILLION of us who could vote DIDNT last time because they saw no problems.
I am hoping that 80% figure that was big news last year is going down, but is it? I just saw a result where Mo Brooks lost in a primary, so that is good news.
I am OPEN to GOOD news!
Oh no wait, he is losing to the trump candidate.
dwayneb
(768 posts)Base your predictions on facts, like the data you just posted. All the facts point toward 2022 being the midterm that will set the stage for a Fascist "win" in 2024.
IMO we need to be getting ready for what will happen AFTER our Constitution is demolished, after the rule of law is effectively dismissed - when the police state is turned against those who dare to oppose the King.
There's a Neil Young song about this called "After the Garden is Gone" - worth a listen.
What will people do
After the garden is gone?
What will people say
After the garden?
Won't need no strong man
Walkin' through the night
To live a weak man's day
Won't need no purple haze
Won't need no sunshine
After the garden is gone
Where will people go
After the garden is gone?
What will people know
After the garden is gone?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)dwayneb
(768 posts)If the Fascists think that the people in the country are going to sit back quietly and give up their freedoms and their right to representation without a fight - they are dreaming.
They are forgetting that the people they want to put under the boot are the descendants of Revolutionary War soldiers and slaves and WWII vets that gave everything to protect our Constitution and to live in freedom.
It will be war in the streets - pure and simple. And this old man will be right in the middle of it.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)to go on Meet The PRess or something and start YELLING about the EMERGENCY we are in and even use the F word on purpose to get it VIRAL!
dwayneb
(768 posts)Not on the DNC, it's the same on CNN and MSNBC too, so many of them smile and joke about this crisis as if our democracy wasn't teetering on a knife's edge. As if their job and their ability to speak freely might not be gone in 2 years.
I think it's more about American psychology than anything else. It's been so long since we've had a war on our soil, many people simply take our freedom for granted. It's the old "it can't happen here" syndrome. People would rather keep their noses in their electronic toys and "hope" someone else will do the heavy lifting.
dwayneb
(768 posts)That's the reality. When the American Experiment ends, and we go under the boot, it won't be because of the GOP's strength or because Democrats didn't try hard enough.
It will be because half of the people in this country are too ignorant and self absorbed to bother to participate in their representative democracy.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)dwayneb
(768 posts)I think the January 6th hearings need to put everything on the record about sewer dweller Trump's attempted coup, so that the history can never be rewritten.
I can't watch it usually, it's just gets me too angry.
Been saying / posting this for years.