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Thank you, Germany (Original Post) EndlessWire Jun 2022 OP
Nowhere near enough James48 Jun 2022 #1
Like Japan, after WW2, they were encouraged to have reduced military and be pacifist ... relayerbob Jun 2022 #3
Germany is supplying something invaluable .... RIS-T SLM air defense systems. speak easy Jun 2022 #4
Sounds awesome. If the capabilities claimed are correct. nt BootinUp Jun 2022 #8
So many foreigners know just what Germany needs to do DFW Jun 2022 #5
+1 Hekate Jun 2022 #20
So many foreigners know just what Germany needs to do DFW Jun 2022 #6
do you have this much trouble with gratitude NJCher Jun 2022 #13
And thank you Poland for blue-wave Jun 2022 #2
You know how Germany could have helped more? ripcord Jun 2022 #7
They have also not sent a lot of equipment they promised, with all sorts of excuses why they Bev54 Jun 2022 #11
It doesn't help EndlessWire Jun 2022 #16
I don't know why they did that. EndlessWire Jun 2022 #17
👍 Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #9
Good! calimary Jun 2022 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jun 2022 #12
I think they are struggling EndlessWire Jun 2022 #15
Aiming a howitzer keithbvadu2 Jun 2022 #14
TY. Interesting. n/t EndlessWire Jun 2022 #19
Very much needed Raine Jun 2022 #18

James48

(4,435 posts)
1. Nowhere near enough
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 08:46 PM
Jun 2022

Germany should be a major power- it is economically the leader there- and Germany needs to increase its military preparedness, as well as giving more heavy weapons.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
3. Like Japan, after WW2, they were encouraged to have reduced military and be pacifist ...
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:03 PM
Jun 2022

both internally and externally. They then became essentially dependent fully on the US for protection. Since the Cold War ended, few of the European countries have really armed up, expecting that interaction and investment would prevent Russia from being, well, Russia. Bad decision in hindsight, but we are where we are now, at least they are finally stepping up, even though it's taken a lot of pressure.

speak easy

(9,246 posts)
4. Germany is supplying something invaluable .... RIS-T SLM air defense systems.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:04 PM
Jun 2022
IRIS-T SL Surface-to-Air Guided Missile

The IRIS-T SL (Surface Launched) is a new, mobile, medium-range surface-to-air guided missile designed and developed by Diehl BGT Defence to meet future medium-range air defence needs of the German Air Force.

The new missile is effective against all types of aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles, guided weapons, air-to-surface missiles, anti-ship missiles, anti-radar rockets and large-calibre rockets. It also has high probability of kill against unmanned aerial vehicles, unmanned combat aerial vehicles and other small manoeuvring threats at very-short and medium-range distances.
https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/iris-t-sl-surface-to-air-guided-missile//

DFW

(54,370 posts)
5. So many foreigners know just what Germany needs to do
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:10 PM
Jun 2022

Stop and think where Germany was 90 years ago, or even 80 years ago. After World War II, Germany vowed to never again be involved in a war. They joined NATO and re-armed at our behest, but basically they are now the pacifist nation that their neighbors hoped they would finally become. Yes, they need to make their decisions quicker, but let’s not have them get too high on weapons again. No one wants to give them a chance to re-acquire a taste for using them.

DFW

(54,370 posts)
6. So many foreigners know just what Germany needs to do
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:11 PM
Jun 2022

Stop and think where Germany was 90 years ago, or even 80 years ago. After World War II, Germany vowed to never again be involved in a war. They joined NATO and re-armed at our behest, but basically they are now the pacifist nation that their neighbors hoped they would finally become. Yes, they need to make their decisions quicker, but let’s not have them get too high on weapons again. No one wants to give them a chance to re-acquire a taste for using them.

NJCher

(35,663 posts)
13. do you have this much trouble with gratitude
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:43 PM
Jun 2022

in your personal life?

If so, I feel sorry for you.

ripcord

(5,372 posts)
7. You know how Germany could have helped more?
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:12 PM
Jun 2022

They could have not continued to block Ukraine membership in NATO.

Bev54

(10,051 posts)
11. They have also not sent a lot of equipment they promised, with all sorts of excuses why they
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:39 PM
Jun 2022

have not sent yet. There is something going on their and I think it is the relationship with the new chancellor and Putin. Scholz has a pretty shady past and couple that with the previous chancellor before Merkle, Schroeder who is on the board for Russian oil pipeline, Nordstream. I am extremely unimpressed with the stalling that has gone on with Germany.

EndlessWire

(6,526 posts)
17. I don't know why they did that.
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 12:21 AM
Jun 2022

Hindsight is always better; wasn't everyone reassured that Putin would not invade Ukraine?

Also, let's ask Turkey why they want to deny Sweden and Finland membership in NATO. That's a bigger problem, IMO.

Response to EndlessWire (Original post)

EndlessWire

(6,526 posts)
15. I think they are struggling
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 12:15 AM
Jun 2022

in the East, but can still set up to protect the South. And yeah, much needed.

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