complain about this all you want. but remember to thank the bernie or busters.

[dsp3000]

this ALL could have been avoided. but she wasn't liberal enough, right??

[leftieNanner]

1. Someone will probably alert you on this one

But I agree with you.

[dsp3000]

3. yep dont give a crap. truth hurts.

[leftieNanner]

7. +1 nt

[brush]

18. Yes, how many stayed home instead of voting for Hillary in 2016?

Or voted for the despicable Stein? That election was so close that just a few thousand votes in a handful of states swung it for trump. The margins were razor thin in those states.

History was affected by those poor loser voters.

[mopinko]

27. i'd still like to know how many rubles stein got.

[Eliot Rosewater]

8. The very fact we couldnt CRITICIZE what Bernie was doing HERE OF ALL PLACES

while we knew what the result would be




And some of his supporters, NOT ALL...some

[leftieNanner]

11. Right on Eliot! nt

[AZProgressive]

15. There is nothing wrong with supporting Bernie in a primary

[haele]

24. Not at all. However, "make me love you" or poutrage votes afterwards got us here.

This isn't a Parliament. Only one of two people could be President, or Senator, or your Representative on the Federal Level, a vote will always be for one or the other.
A "protest vote" always goes to the opposition candidate. So those who wrote in Bernie, Harambe, or voted Green in November 2016 voted for Trump.
And those who couldn't convince themselves to vote for Clinton also voted for Trump, just by leaving the Presidential section of their ballot blank.
Because they assumed their vote wouldn't matter.
In several critical states, Clinton lost by around 10k, less than the number of protest or non-Presidential voters in those states. Too many "Good Democrats" and "Progressives" just took it for granted she would win and indulged in the privilege of expressing their feelings over considering their civic duty.

And that's a really common - and bad - American habit.

Haele

[AZProgressive]

25. The Sanders voters that didn't vote for Clinton in the general election

We’re disproportionately self-described moderates & conservatives. Sanders likely got votes in 2016 from people who just didn’t like Clinton rather than actually supporting Sanders as he got fewer votes in 2020 without Clinton in the race.

The small percentage of non-voters or third party voters are just really loud online.

[brush]

34. That's not what this is about. It's about poor losers who didn't...

support Hillary in the general.

[AZProgressive]

46. Most of those people were moderates and conservatives

[brush]

47. And...?

[AZProgressive]

48. The OP seems to think it is because they weren't liberal enough

Most of these threads attack the left but the reality is those that didn’t vote for Clinton were actually more conservative but you don’t see threads bashing moderates for Clinton’s 2016 loss. Sanders picked up votes from people unlikely to vote for Clinton.

Most of us on the left voted for Clinton & Biden in the general election but they don’t get any credit for that.

[brush]

49. Not quite how I remember the 2016 primaries.

I do remember the Bernie Bros, the Democratic Socialists (a sure vote loser.phrase), the calling of Hillary as a corporate whore, and all the rest that caused some to stay home or go for Stein in the general.

[AZProgressive]

50. Bernie Bros was a campaign smear

There is hard data that shows "Bernie Bros" are a myth

(Snip)

The only problem? The evidence that Sanders supporters are uniquely cruel online, compared to any other candidates' supporters, is scant; much of the discourse around Bernie Bros seems to rely on skewed anecdotes that don't stand up to scrutiny. Many Sanders supporters suspect that the stereotype is perpetuated in bad faith to help torpedo his candidacy.

(Snip)

A few weeks ago I penned a story for Salon attempting to qualitatively disprove the Bernie Bro myth by pulling from psychological theory and the nature of online behavior. To summarize my conclusions: First, there is a general tendency for online behavior to be negative, known as the online disinhibition effect — but it affects all people equally, not merely Sanders' supporters. Second, pundits systematically ignore when other candidates' supporters are mean online, perhaps because of the aforementioned established stereotype; in this sense, the Bernie Bro is not dissimilar from other political canards like the "welfare queen." Third, Twitter is not a representative sample size of the population, and is so prone to harboring propaganda outfits and bots such that it is not a reliable way of gauging public opinion.

Now, to add to this qualitative assessment, there is quantitative evidence, too — reaped from studying hundreds of thousands of interactions online — that reveals the Bernie Bro myth as, well, a myth. Jeff Winchell, a computational social scientist and graduate student at Harvard University, crunched the numbers on tweet data and found that Sanders' supporters online behave the same as everyone else. Winchell used what is called a sentiment analysis, a technique used both in the digital humanities and in e-commerce, to gauge emotional intent from social media data.

(Snip)

"Bernie followers act pretty much the same on Twitter as any other follower," Winchell says of his results. "There is one key difference that Twitter users and media don't seem to be aware of.... Bernie has a lot more Twitter followers than Twitter followers of other Democrat's campaigns," he added, noting that this may be partly what helps perpetuate the myth.

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/09/there-is-hard-data-that-shows-bernie-bros-are-a-myth/

Basically everyone tends to be an asshole when they are online.

About the Bernie voters that didn’t vote for Clinton in the general election.

538

You might be tempted to think that these #NeverHillary voters are leftists who thought Clinton was too much of pro-corporate, warmongering centrist. But relatively few of them were. Less than a fifth of them voted for Stein, for example. Instead, these voters were disproportionately likely to describe themselves as moderate or conservative. Among the 31 percent of self-described conservatives who voted for Sanders in the Democratic primaries, more than half were #NeverHillary voters, for example. A large minority of the independents and Republicans who supported Sanders were #NeverHillary voters as well.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-was-helped-by-the-neverhillary-vote-what-does-that-mean-for-his-chances-now/

There are a lot of 2016 Bernie supporters who are right wing now. Tim Pool is an example but there is also Greenwald & others. Joe Rohan is an example of the type of person that supports Bernie in a primary but won’t support the Democratic nominee. Those who you describe are very loud.

[brush]

51. Not all were leftists, not all were centrists. No one has the actual...

figures who stayed home and who went 3rd party, but we know for sure Hillary won the popular vote and lost the EC by a thin margin. IMO Bernie by extending his campaign, going to see the Pope and all that instead of conceding when it was apparent that he had lost embittered some towards Hillary and contributed to trump squeezing out a razor-thin win.

I'm glad he didn't repeat that in 2020.

[AZProgressive]

52. 538 says 74% of Sanders voters voted for Clinton

Which is a similar percentage of Clinton voters that voted for Obama. I was an Obama boy in 2008 and remember the Pumas. 12% voted for Trump while another 10% voted for either Gary Johnson or Jill Stein. The remaining percentage didn’t vote.

In 2020 it was apparent he was going to lose the primary after he lost Michigan. He wouldn’t have been able to stay in with Biden outperforming Hillary Clinton.

[brush]

53. How many of the 26% of Bernie voters voted for trump in 2016?

That's a big question as the trump v Clinton vote was much tighter than Obama's relatively easy win over McCain.

[Fullduplexxx]

17. Yea I thanked bernie earlier and someone went running for the hide button

[Voltaire2]

2. The enemy is on the right.

[emulatorloo]

12. True but incessant "both sides are the same" propaganda helps enable Republican victories.

[sop]

16. It's also on the implacable left.

[inthewind21]

31. Clowns to the left of me

Jokers to the right...

[aeromanKC]

4. +1000

[Emile]

5. I blame Trump! eom

[dsp3000]

9. and how did trump get elected in 2016??

oh thats right.

[Emile]

10. I blame Trump! eom

[inthewind21]

33. It's always better

to blame someone else.

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. Yep

[2 Meow Momma]

13. This is divisive at a time when we need to come together.

Some reaching into the past to blame left leaning people need to get their shit together and look forward...

AND PUT BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS! Christofascism!

[Fullduplexxx]

21. We learn history so we arent doomed to repeat it

[2 Meow Momma]

40. We already know this history. We don't need to rehash it every time

something catastrophic happens.

It’s not helpful to get mad at each other here, unless that’s the OP’s (and others’) objective.

[Fullduplexxx]

43. We have 2 very important elections coming up.. I dont think it's a bad idea to remind people what

Can happen when you fk around with your vote In case bernie and/or jill Stein or anyone else decides to try and split the Dem vote

[2 Meow Momma]

45. Not a bad idea, true. This blaming the left outright is more than

a reminder.

[inthewind21]

36. Some

trying to erase the past and clean a slate need to get their shit together and realize HOW we got here.

[2 Meow Momma]

42. Some

go out of their way to divide us here.

Their objective? Who am I to say.

[AZProgressive]

14. I voted for Hillary Clinton & Joe Biden in the general election

When it comes to Biden my vote contributed to his win as a swing state voter from Arizona.

I doubt it was because they didn’t feel she wasn’t liberal enough.

538

You might be tempted to think that these #NeverHillary voters are leftists who thought Clinton was too much of pro-corporate, warmongering centrist. But relatively few of them were. Less than a fifth of them voted for Stein, for example. Instead, these voters were disproportionately likely to describe themselves as moderate or conservative. Among the 31 percent of self-described conservatives who voted for Sanders in the Democratic primaries, more than half were #NeverHillary voters, for example. A large minority of the independents and Republicans who supported Sanders were #NeverHillary voters as well.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-was-helped-by-the-neverhillary-vote-what-does-that-mean-for-his-chances-now/

Also there were over 7 million Obama-Trump voters in 2016. If you’re going to have scapegoats at least scape goat the right people.

[Dave says]

19. I think the trigger laws should be known collectively as the Sarandon Laws

[Torchlight]

20. Blame is easy. It's even fun on occasion.

As long as we all realize that sooner rather than later, it will be time to roll up our sleeves and get more voters out this cycle.

Together the possibility remains. Separate the possibilities evaporate.

[egduj]

22. I blame Trump a lot more than I blame Bernie.

In fact, I don't think I blame Bernie at all... I must be missing something.

[Meadowoak]

29. Trump, Guiliani, and his Russian Mafia!

[RANDYWILDMAN]

23. Let it go, Blame Mitch he changed the rules twice, re RBG and Gorsuch

and we should get one or the other. it's 5-4 the other way

Quit blaming Demo voters.

[Meadowoak]

30. +1

[Fiendish Thingy]

26. I'd prefer to thank the pragmatic incrementalists from previous Dem majorities/administrations

Roe could’ve been codified years ago, if not for those who were more worried about getting re-elected than making substantive change.

We.Had.The.Votes.

[ProfessorPlum]

28. What a crappy take

way to try to divide us.

[markpkessinger]

32. Bernie did NOT cause Hillary to lose in 2016!

The FACT is that some 87% of Bernie primary voters united behind Hillary in the general election, which is a significantly higher percentage than that of Hillary supporters who united behind Obama in 2008! And of that 3% who didn't, they were never going to vote for Hillary under any circumstances.

Bernie campaigned hard for Hillary during the 2016 general election.

Hillary lost because, despite being very accomplished, she ran an absolutely terrible and out-of-touch campaign. At a time when populist sentiment was running high, and as Trump barnstormed across the country with massive rallies, Hillary opted to remain in her comfort zone, and confined her appearances mostly to small groups of well-heeled donors -- which didn't exactly allay the fears of those who thought she was an out-of-touch elitist.

Hillary had a chance to get out in front of the issue of the speeches to Wall Street banks during the primary, when Bernie challenged her to release those speeches. She opted to stonewall, which left her wide open to the Wikileaks dump that came late in the campaign.

These were unforced errors. So stop spreading this damnable lie that Bernie caused Hillary's loss in 2016! It is needlessly divisive, and doesn't help further anyone's cause!

[Maru Kitteh]

35. IBTL - and I agree heartily with you.

[Emile]

37. I blame TRUMP!

[AntivaxHunters]

41. Same

[librechik]

38. ooooh.

yeah. Don't get me going....

[G_j]

39. just stop

wasting time. It's a freaking emergency!!!

[AntivaxHunters]

44. Hillary won the popular vote

and should be POTUS. You want something to blame? Blame the stupid Electoral College.
We're the party of DEMOCRACY. The Electoral College is anti-Democratic. It is exactly why Trump won.