If The Fuckhead Guy gets on the 2024 ballot...

[Orrex]

He will run on this decision passed down by “his” justices, and every Republikkkan—even those who pretend to be fed up with him—will come out to vote him in while his prolapsed anus of a mouth grins on every news channel 24/7. Because the media will absolutely carry water for him again.

He will promise the overturning of every decision precious to the left, and “his” justices will happily comply.

We are fast approaching the moment of “by any means necessary.”

[LenaBaby61]

1. He's not getting on the ballot.

Just my opinion of course.

[inthewind21]

4. Sure

you mean like he'll never get on the ballot in 2016? How well did that work out?

[ShazzieB]

17. A hell of a lot has happened since 2016.

A HELL of a lot. A lot more can still happen by the time the GOP is deciding on its ticket. I'm not going to assume anything, EITHER way.

[LenaBaby61]

18. Hold on ....

I'm not behind any curve. I read Malcolm Nance's book The Plot to Hack America, and within that book amongst other things he wrote about, he pretty much predicted that tRump would try some shenanigans with russia to steal the 2016 US Elections. He was right. He predicted most of this crap we see going on NOW with tRump/GQP back several years ago, and about how they had morphed themselves into a christofascist party. So no, nothing the GQP US Taliban Party, christofascist tRump party nor what most reich-wing, rich, white males of white privilege has ever does surprises me. My parents were from
Oklahoma and their parents lived through the Tulsa race riots. So no, I've always known what time it was and is in the AmeriKKKa that some whites adhere to, and want to bring back, because we saw that happened at the US Capitol on Jan. 6th. And contrary to the lies fatso keeps spewing about the election being stolen from him, that was not Antifa or BLM trashing the US Capitol because if it had been, blood would still have been running through the streets because remember, fatso wanted to shoot those protesters who were against him when he held that bible upside down, and there were a lot lf black protesters there. If I recall, he wanted to shoot the people in Minnesota who were protesting George Floyd's murder, and at that time the protests were peaceful.

For example, The US government STOLE thousands of my late grandfather's land. He was a Creek Indian and there was NOTHING he could do about it. My late Parents KNEW slaves, and they related to me what ghastly and hideously other wordily things the slaves told them that their slave masters did to them/family. My late brother fought in Vietnam, and he told me that one of the Vietcong leaders told him to duck down in the front of the lines, we'll shoot to the back because we know you blacks are not back there with the white people. I know that mostly poor white and black were sent to vietnam, but I'm relaying a story my late brother told me, because he was personally there. I had a cousin on my late Mom's side who was a Tuskegee Airmen, and several of the German soldiers that were bought back here respected the black soldiers more so than the white Southern soldiers did, because like the same story Jesse Jackson told about one of his relatives (Think it was his dad). Black solders who fought for this country were seated in the back of the train, and treated horribly than the German Pow's who wanted to invade the world. One German officer told my great uncle "We know you're spit on in your own country." This was a German POW saying telling my great uncle this.

Finally, I'm Half black and Half Native American. So no, I'm not ever surprised about what some white folks EVER do, because from the time they stole this land from the Native Americans, and bought Africans over here through the Middle Passage, I've known what time it was in this country. But for some reason, I'm hopeful, and If someone whose been watching their back for 61 years like I have, for me to be hopeful is a miracle. Back to my late parents, even though both lived through a segregated Depression, Jim Crow, and much worse because as I mentioned they both KNEW actual slaves both had the capacity within them to teach me and my siblings to never judge all persons by one person. I've been one my whole life who took the approach to judge each one as I meet each one. It was difficult for me to not judge all by one sometimes, but still I have it within me to to live by that credo. The GQP US Taliban party won the battle for today. But for some reason, I don't think they'll win the war. I hate to see the loss of life due to self educed abortions for the next 3-4 years which is horrible.

ALL my friends are freaking out, and I understand why, because this Opus Dei, Federalist, dark money, deep pocketed spoored by overseas people, Federalist purchased High Court is coming for more than just Abortion and overturning gun 100 year old gun laws and destroying states rights. That minority court is coming for the soul of this country, but for what ever reason, I'm chill. Friends asked me why I'm not upset. I could only tell them that I'm not getting a bad feeling.

I'm hopeful but don't know WHY.

[TomCADem]

2. By any means necessary, except voting?

Here is the thing, millions of Fox News listening people voted for Trump and other right wing racists and you are proposing killing them or violence, because it is too hard to convince them that they are wrong?

[Orrex]

3. I like that you cast me as the fucking bad guy

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By making an assertion that I did not.

You have nothing to contribute to this discussion.

[TomCADem]

6. So, Please Explain What So You Mean By Any Means Necessary

It seems like we need to convince some people who voted Republican to Vote Democratic and stop listening to Fox News.

Yet, too often, we are just way too polite to discuss politics, and would rather say provocative things like “by any means necessary,” without lifting a finger to engage and explain why we are right.

[Orrex]

9. You need to reread the post

I wrote—correctly—that we are approaching that point.

I did not assert that we are at that point, and I certainly didn’t advocate killing anyone.

You are asking me to explain a statement that I didn’t make. Project your fantasies elsewhere.

[Ohio Joe]

5. Can you define "by any means necessary."?

Because to read it, it looks very much like a call for violence. If so, I cannot agree with that.

[TomCADem]

7. Easier to call for violence then to convince someone...

…to stop mainlining right wing/Russian propaganda apparently.

[Orrex]

11. When women and girls start dying from botched abortions

Then we can all politely lament this ruling, apparently.

[TomCADem]

12. So, Should Be Easy To Convince People...

…to stop voting Republican, right? If it is so cut and dry, it should be too difficult to move the needle.

[Orrex]

16. Yeah, good luck with that pollyana fantasy

Have you met these voters? Maybe they'll mend their ways once you explain it to them.

I have asserted previously that they could catch Trump in the act of forcibly sodomizing their own children, and they'd still mortgage their homes to pay for his legal defense.

This catastrophic fucking decision is a delivery on the promise that Republikkkan candidates have been making for decades, and now that it's come to pass, do you think those ignorant fuckhead voters will fail to reward their beloved fuckhead candidates for it?

I ask again: have you met these voters?

[TomCADem]

19. That Is Why We Are Losing. Rightwings Think They Are Right and Will Happily Mansplain...

...why we are wrong, yet progressives tend to hide out and preach to choir.

Yes, I have met these voters, because they will proudly go and show up at my local school board meetings and city council meetings and preach against critical race theory, vaccines, that the election was stolen, etc., and I can't help but wonder where are the sane people? Why aren't they all showing up to stand up for science, rights and reason?

So, if we can't convince any of these people that they are wrong, and right wingers are happy to walk into a local government meetings and spread their ignorance, then that is why we are losing.

[Orrex]

20. I simply disagree with your assessment.

I have often put it like this:

Democrats are working slowly to hold Republicans accountable within the rules of the system, while Republicans are working very fast to destroy the system altogether.

One of those is a strong strategy, and the other is the Democrats' strategy.

The same is true in the situation you're describing: you imagine that they "think" they are right, when in fact they believe that they are righteous. Convince them that they're wrong? You might as well convince a passionate Evangelical that God doesn't exist.


We are losing not because we fail to engage with them; we are losing because they are trying to destroy us.

[TomCADem]

21. Yet, They Are Happy To Convince You and Elected Leaders That You Are Wrong

You do not bother explaining why we are right to people who don't agree with us, but the right is willing to seize the mike in public forums at the local government level to explain why you are wrong. Here are anti-vaxxers proudly and loudly explaining why vaccines are poison and COVID is a hoax. Yet, where are the responses from people who believe in science?

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We are yielding the floor to people who are stupid, and expecting the mainstream media and electeds to fight our battles for us. Well, if we do not change minds, how do you expect to change votes?

[Orrex]

22. Again, I disagree with your assessment

I live in a red county where much of the population is of low income and is passionately hard-right. They are not interested in facts, they are impervious to logic, and they are not persuaded by evidence.

If you show them verifiable proof that Republican policies will harm them--and I have done so--they ask why you're so triggered and ignore everything you have to say, happily voting for the same Rightwing asshole who's working to further impoverish them. They are happy to vote against their own interests if it allows them to preserve their fantasies of victimhood while--in their minds--justifying their racism and bigotry.

When you are outnumbered by the uneducated populace and outgunned by their proud, stubborn ignorance, it is simply foolish to pretend that you can change their minds.


I am happy that your experience tells you otherwise, but your experience is not mine.

[TomCADem]

23. I Just Wish the Racist, Right Wingers in CA felt the Same Way

Yet, they stubbornly show up at local government meetings to spread their lies and it somehow works. Even in CA, they have managed to get a couple of school boards to go along with their ban CRT/no-mask policies, by threatening recalls and making themselves a pest.

Refusing to speak and spread the message to people because you think they are ignorant, just leaves them in that same state of ignorance.

[Orrex]

24. Do you live in a red county?

Here on DU I once told the story of how my family were dining at a local restaurant that shows Fox News on the TV, with a report of that murderous asshole who drove his car into protesters in Charlotte. We spoke to our then young sons about the way Fox was already spinning the story to favor the murderer.

When I posted this story on DU, I was inundated by people who told me that I should have told the restaurant to change the channel, or I should have demanded that it be turned off, or that I threaten to take my business elsewhere, or that I make some grand gesture by which I might magically lead the other customers into enlightenment.

All of those suggestions were bullshit, made by people who don't live in red counties. They imagine that my neighbors are eager to be shown the error of their ways, and that these folks would start voting Blue if only someone would change the channel.

Eventually a few DUers chimed in, revealing that they, too, live in red counties, so they understand exactly what I was facing. But the rest? They used it as an opportunity to scold me for failing to spread the message.

How many Rightwing family members do you have? How many have you successfully deprogrammed?


Your suggestion that I need to speak up at local meeting etc. sounds very much like the advice I got in response to that long-ago posting, so perhaps we should leave it at that.

[Orrex]

10. When we get to that point, I will define it

In the meantime, why don’t you post a list of the rights that you’re willing to surrender to the Reichwing agenda?

Perhaps then we can wait politely until millions of Red voters see the error of their ways.

[Ohio Joe]

13. I just don't see violence or apathy as the only options...

Sorry, not going to sign up for that.

[Orrex]

14. You're projecting

I've asserted neither of those as the only option. But it serves nothing to "hope for the best" when little in the past half-dozen decades or so suggests that such hope is justified.


And if one thing has been consistently true during my entire time on DU, it's that, whatever opinion one posts, or whatever frustration one articulates, a certain (generally predictable) group of DUers will leap up to declare how wrong it is to feel that way, and to dictate the correct way to feel.

[Tickle]

8. desantis will be on the ballet

I have a third eye on 2024

[BannonsLiver]

15. Which Fuckhead