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packman

(16,296 posts)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:15 PM Jun 2022

IVANKA TRUMP HAD ABORTION IN HIGH SCHOOL...According To Manhattan Socialite Lauren Santo Domingo



Throwing shade! Lauren Santo Domingo slammed Ivanka Trump in a scathing tweet accusing her of having had a high school abortion as protests continue following the Supreme Court's shocking decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.

The two socialites used to be close years ago and were frequently spotted out and about together in New York, but they no longer appear to be on friendly terms.

...
"Ivanka Trump, you are noticeably quiet today," Santo Domingo tweeted on Saturday, June 25. "The high school friends who took you to get an abortion are not."

Although she deleted the social media message, it was retweeted, screencapped and shared by hundreds of people before she was able to remove it.

This comes two years after Trump claimed to be "unapologetically" pro-life in an interview with RealClearPolitics.

"I respect all sides of a very personal and sensitive discussion," she told the outlet when asked about the controversial topic. "But I am also a mother of three children, and parenthood affected me in a profound way in terms of how I think about these things."



https://radaronline.com/p/lauren-santo-domingo-trashes-ivanka-trump-high-school-abortion/
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IVANKA TRUMP HAD ABORTION IN HIGH SCHOOL...According To Manhattan Socialite Lauren Santo Domingo (Original Post) packman Jun 2022 OP
Hey that's confidential. Frasier Balzov Jun 2022 #1
Exactly.......personal info is NOT ALLOWED TO BE GIVEN OUT if the person hasn't given it out. a kennedy Jun 2022 #25
Yeah, we should fight fair orangecrush Jun 2022 #48
+1 Meadowoak Jun 2022 #51
Confidential? Like the pregnancy status of women in Texas that's about to be exposed? mainer Jun 2022 #90
Regrets KentuckyWoman Jun 2022 #2
I'm sorry, She is fair game. If you want to be in public and work at the White House onecaliberal Jun 2022 #10
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Jun 2022 #29
She is fair game on all of that. KentuckyWoman Jun 2022 #70
She is fair fucking game is all aspects. They impeached a president for a blow job. Grow up. onecaliberal Jun 2022 #71
I am. KentuckyWoman Jun 2022 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author gldstwmn Jun 2022 #84
No fucking way blueknight73 Jun 2022 #39
A couple of thoughts: madaboutharry Jun 2022 #3
She was in high school and was probably under 18 years old. Dysfunctional Jun 2022 #8
I get that. madaboutharry Jun 2022 #17
Neither do I. MaryMagdaline Jun 2022 #53
Agreed. milestogo Jun 2022 #31
Some states want to outlaw abortion in cases of incest EYESORE 9001 Jun 2022 #4
I thought the same thing, not sure why? Shellback Squid Jun 2022 #7
THIS would be my only concern bluestarone Jun 2022 #11
I wouldn't bdamomma Jun 2022 #58
You too? malaise Jun 2022 #24
Truly do not give a shit who has had an abortion or not. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #5
Did she ever come out against abortion? n/t Pete Ross Junior Jun 2022 #6
Yes Arazi Jun 2022 #35
Thank you. This is an important point. n/t Pete Ross Junior Jun 2022 #38
If she is publicly supporting anti-choice LAW, she is open to criticism. MaryMagdaline Jun 2022 #9
She was in high school, probably under 18. Dysfunctional Jun 2022 #14
I'm picking on her for supporting laws that would take away other teenager's rights. MaryMagdaline Jun 2022 #16
The rights being taken away right now include those who are under 18 JI7 Jun 2022 #30
Thank you MaryMagdaline Jun 2022 #34
agreed ! but, don't change your mind for political reasons! cloudboy07 Jun 2022 #74
She was a very special 18 year old in her world lunatica Jun 2022 #78
Should we start outing men's STD's? gldstwmn Jun 2022 #85
and, if true, the important thing is IT WAS LEGAL. IcyPeas Jun 2022 #12
But now she's pro-life...wanting to make it illegal. And she just got her wisn... brush Jun 2022 #62
Yeah... no. BlueIdaho Jun 2022 #13
Someone I knew tried to come at me a while ago with some weak sauce shit ... LenaBaby61 Jun 2022 #59
Thank you! MaryMagdaline Jun 2022 #65
Fair game, she was a paid employee and "advisor" musette_sf Jun 2022 #15
Not when she was in high school. milestogo Jun 2022 #32
Sure, let's start attacking people for things they did before they turned 18. Dysfunctional Jun 2022 #18
How old was Kavanaugh when he tried to rape someone? MaryMagdaline Jun 2022 #21
Rape is illegal, her abortion wasn't. Dysfunctional Jun 2022 #22
And as of a few days ago abortion was legal and Ivanka was campaigning to make it illegal MaryMagdaline Jun 2022 #27
THANK YOU ..... LenaBaby61 Jun 2022 #60
Too bad she was instrumental in making it illegal now kcr Jun 2022 #54
Exactly! MaryMagdaline Jun 2022 #66
Some here were opposed to bringing that up as well Polybius Jun 2022 #45
Yes. I remember now MaryMagdaline Jun 2022 #52
lol, She wants to deny under 18s what she did so fuck this bs JI7 Jun 2022 #33
Yours is the most clear, short, cogent reply so far. It's the hypocrisy. Celerity Jun 2022 #61
Fuck her. dixiechiken1 Jun 2022 #40
This MaryMagdaline Jun 2022 #55
We're going after her for what she did - at age 40. NM Grins Jun 2022 #77
I don't care. H2O Man Jun 2022 #19
What WILL be done ..... LenaBaby61 Jun 2022 #63
Well, yes .... H2O Man Jun 2022 #79
Not sure of the reason for this revelation. Raven123 Jun 2022 #20
This post should bother me. 48656c6c6f20 Jun 2022 #23
That's the correct attitude Hav Jun 2022 #37
Fuck Ivanka and her baby daddy (literally). Meadowoak Jun 2022 #44
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Jun 2022 #64
+1,000,000. Paladin Jun 2022 #92
Ivanka grew up in New York which is a famously pro-choice state FakeNoose Jun 2022 #26
Because her bestie knows she doesn't give a rat's ass about abortion and only wants to win elections MaryMagdaline Jun 2022 #28
True. H2O Man Jun 2022 #36
Imma just leave this here. Form your own conclusions. SledDriver Jun 2022 #41
Weaponizing people's abortion status is never useful. It's contemptible. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #42
No ,contemptable is taking away that right from others JI7 Jun 2022 #43
+1 Meadowoak Jun 2022 #47
Right, which has nothing to do with one's abortion status. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #49
Hypocrisy must be pointed out in these cases. JI7 Jun 2022 #57
not in this case. she's a fucking hypocrite. dsp3000 Jun 2022 #69
When are you gonna give it up? BradAllison Jun 2022 #81
It's not weaponising it. It's pointing out sheer hypocrisy... Violet_Crumble Jun 2022 #82
I'd bet she's had more than one nt dflprincess Jun 2022 #46
It would have been awkward StarryNite Jun 2022 #50
*chef's kiss* dixiechiken1 Jun 2022 #56
This information may have been more useful in 2016 Jose Garcia Jun 2022 #67
Apart from individual biases, what reason does anyone have to believe or disbelieve this. onenote Jun 2022 #68
Hypocrisy is the life blood of the American right NCcoast Jun 2022 #72
She is white woman of means, who want's to deny others that right RANDYWILDMAN Jun 2022 #73
I'm more interested in Trump's mistresses and girlfriends coming out with abortion stories cherish44 Jun 2022 #76
Of course she has, likely multiple.... BradAllison Jun 2022 #80
Sigh. We're outing women's abortions gldstwmn Jun 2022 #83
No, we're pointing out hypocrisy. Violet_Crumble Jun 2022 #86
Yeah, no. Either everyone has the right to medical gldstwmn Jun 2022 #87
You are clearly on a very different path than most pro-choicers I know... Violet_Crumble Jun 2022 #88
Also, a question about this medical privacy you speak of... Violet_Crumble Jun 2022 #89
I imagine the Trump family as well as many "pro-life" GQP politicians have substantially funded Vinca Jun 2022 #91
I get that hypocrisy is always an issue when it comes to the GOP MissMillie Jun 2022 #93

Frasier Balzov

(2,649 posts)
1. Hey that's confidential.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:24 PM
Jun 2022

It's one thing if somebody wants to share their own personal medical information.

But don't take it out on Ivanka if her dopey father wanted conservatives to love him.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
90. Confidential? Like the pregnancy status of women in Texas that's about to be exposed?
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 05:40 AM
Jun 2022

That kind of confidential?

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
2. Regrets
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:25 PM
Jun 2022

I had 2 abortions in the 70s. Both to save my life. I have never gotten over it. Volunteering over the years I learned teens often have it even harder. I have met a lot that did a 180 after.

Ivanka is easy to hate on. An easy target. But whatever she did or did not do as a minor is a non issue. Let her be.

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
10. I'm sorry, She is fair game. If you want to be in public and work at the White House
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:32 PM
Jun 2022

While you rape the treasury for your personal crime spree and gain, she deserves it. She should go to prison for her crimes.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
70. She is fair game on all of that.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 11:25 PM
Jun 2022

Roast her for her adult misdeeds. I will join in. But not on abortion. Any woman who chooses abortion has a right to her privacy about it. Even ones I don't like.

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
71. She is fair fucking game is all aspects. They impeached a president for a blow job. Grow up.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 11:27 PM
Jun 2022

Stop protecting traitorous criminals and stand up for the women who will die for the Christian theocracy.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
75. I am.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 11:41 PM
Jun 2022

I want all women to have access to safe medical care. All women. Without her having to justify her choices to anyone.

It is a principle I refuse to waver on.

Response to onecaliberal (Reply #71)

blueknight73

(295 posts)
39. No fucking way
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 09:13 PM
Jun 2022

She gave up that right when she took a position in this administration and lied constantly just like her worthless siblings. Nothing we could do or say would be bad enough for these cretins

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
3. A couple of thoughts:
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:26 PM
Jun 2022

First, I don’t think calling people out for an abortion is consistent with being pro-choice, so that troubles me.

Secondly, If true, Ivanka is a fraud and a hypocrite and like her father, believes in nothing. But we already knew that.

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
17. I get that.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:38 PM
Jun 2022

But experiences as a teenager can cause a person to develop empathy for others. To say she is “unabashedly pro-life” after having this experience herself and now wanting to deny that to others is heartless. Did she stop and ask herself what she would have done if she hadn’t had access to an abortion?

And I don’t believe her new found “pro-life” statements anyway.

MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)
9. If she is publicly supporting anti-choice LAW, she is open to criticism.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:32 PM
Jun 2022

She actively campaigned to put politicians in office whose major platforms are to ban abortion under all circumstances. We’re not picking on 14 year old Ivanka who deserves our protection. We’re picking on 40 year old Ivanka who is stepping on my rights.

 

Dysfunctional

(452 posts)
14. She was in high school, probably under 18.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:37 PM
Jun 2022

Pick on her for something she did after her father ran for president.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
30. The rights being taken away right now include those who are under 18
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:52 PM
Jun 2022

So no, we don't have to ignore the rights they took advantage of and want to deny others.

 

cloudboy07

(351 posts)
74. agreed ! but, don't change your mind for political reasons!
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 11:35 PM
Jun 2022

that's what I hate about damn politicians! go with which way the wind is blowing !

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
78. She was a very special 18 year old in her world
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 12:59 AM
Jun 2022

The rest of the 18 year olds in the world are not worth her time, much less her sympathy. She is entitled. Period.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
85. Should we start outing men's STD's?
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 03:38 AM
Jun 2022

Either everyone has the right to medical privacy or they don't. I'm beginning to think that is the actual prize here. Privacy, that is.

brush

(53,781 posts)
62. But now she's pro-life...wanting to make it illegal. And she just got her wisn...
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:32 PM
Jun 2022

so the right she had, others no longer have.

Expose hypocrisy.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
59. Someone I knew tried to come at me a while ago with some weak sauce shit ...
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:18 PM
Jun 2022

About this Ivanka outing by her High School friend.

IF true, boo hoo

The GQP have no issues with MURDERING Kids with guns, and fetuses when GQP US Taliban, white privileged, reich-winged males make sure that their mistresses, side-pieces are afforded private abortions anytime and any place. And some like Bob Barr from Georgia, who FORCED his wife to abort their fetus. He was of course pro-life up to his beady eye-balls, and got ANGRY when the wife outed HIM for forcing her to murder their precious fetus. He's guilty too. She didn't get pregnant by herself. He's still a rabid anti-abortion asshole who doesn't mind murdering women who have ectopic pregnancies, KNOWING that these women will die if they don't have a procedure to save their lives which will abort that precious fetus/life. Oh, and little girls who are raped and or incest victims and are impregnated, he wants to FORCE them to have their Dad's baby. How craven, rotten and evil. Pieces of shit GQP'ers. The GQP is making laws via the OLD Testament, and Treasonous, self-hating Thomas is going after gay rights/gay marriage and contraception.

Be it through weak sauce gun laws that were just passed where Dems have to settle for something, or with this new Roe law where WOMEN will DIE literally because most in the GQP is now pushing to ban abortions in case of the life of the mother (ectopic pregnancies), and little girls will be forced to have their Dad's babies. And what about that woman whack job in Utah? These GQP'ers are SICK

A Republican lawmaker from Utah said she believes women can control 'when they allow a man to ejaculate' and 'the intake of semen' during sex.


https://www.businessinsider.com/republican-lawmaker-utah-women-control-intake-of-semen-during-sex-2022-6

And, once that precious fetus is born and turns in to a child, the GQP US Taliban party kicks that child to the curb like it's TRASH. I made a resolution on Jan. 1st to get rid of my weak sauce Dem friends who constantly told me that we don't need to be like the GQP. Since when is calling those terrorists out not a good thing? I feel so much better. I'm hundreds of lbs lighter, and back to my real weight of 135 lbs

MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)
21. How old was Kavanaugh when he tried to rape someone?
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:42 PM
Jun 2022

We have a rapist and a pro-abortionist campaigning to deny our rights because they’re special and we’re not.

MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)
27. And as of a few days ago abortion was legal and Ivanka was campaigning to make it illegal
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:48 PM
Jun 2022

She wants 11 and 12 year olds to perforate rather than abort. Her own daughters. What she is campaigning for is to make all abortions illegal, and she’s not even against it for herself. She can hop a plane to Canada and leave everyone else to die. She can rot in hell.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
60. THANK YOU .....
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:21 PM
Jun 2022


Those GQP US Taliban asses are such hypocrites, who need to be called out.

Especially when they don't MIND murdering women and little girls.

Celerity

(43,383 posts)
61. Yours is the most clear, short, cogent reply so far. It's the hypocrisy.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:31 PM
Jun 2022

She is a monster, same as her father, same as his bought and paid for vapid-evil trophy wife, and the same as most of her wicked brothers (Barron is TBD). I have long held that Ivanka, after her open oozing wound of a father, is the 2nd worst of the lot.

dixiechiken1

(2,113 posts)
40. Fuck her.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 09:16 PM
Jun 2022

I don't give two shits that she had an abortion or when she had it. What I care about is the hypocrisy of her publicly stating +/- 30 years later that she believes other women shouldn't have safe, legal access to that same medical procedure now.

Fuck all these people. Put their hypocrisy on display for all the world to see. This is war.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
63. What WILL be done .....
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:34 PM
Jun 2022

that we know of IS that women will DIE in the next several years thanks to GQP'ers like her. It was alright for her to have an abortion when she needed and wanted one., but now she wants to burn the bridge in essence behind her? Women will die thanks to their and GQP'er playing GOD and by overturning Roe. She nor the GQP US Taliban Party gives a shit about women's lives., nor do they care about precious fetuses or children. The sanctity of life only matters when it's one of their kids/grand kids lives. Everybody elses children and grandchildren are TRASH as far as they're concerned. That Gun bill is weak sauce, because that's all the Dems could get them to agree to.

Red states have Guns, forced abortion and God.

More People Will Die.


The Supreme Court is taking away a fundamental bodily right — and condemning pregnant people to financial suffering and possible death.

https://theintercept.com/2022/06/24/roe-v-wade-overturn-economic-impact/

H2O Man

(73,552 posts)
79. Well, yes ....
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:32 AM
Jun 2022

that is my point, too: people will suffer and people will die.

We have options of how and where we will invest our energies in response. One is express contempt and furious feelings about Ivanka Trump. I can only speculate, but I am pretty sure that everyone on this forum had already determined that Ivanka is a terrible human being. And whie aiming anger at her may be a manner for some to blow off steam, it cannot and will not reduce the amount of suffering and death that will result from the Supreme Court's ruling in favor of religious superstitition.

Another option that some -- myself included -- are investing our energies in has been organizing something akin to the Underground Railroad, to bring women in states where women's health care is being restricted to states where sanity and decency rule. We recognize that history is calling us. The group that I am in part of, that will coordinate with similar groups, includes some area people who live in the same houses that once were part of the Underground Railroad, befor the first Civil War. We've known, as everyone has, that this ruling was coming down, and thought there is really not time nor enegy to waste on absolutely unproductive reactions. For when the danger of the darkness is greatest, we are convinced that it is better to respond in a manner that has the very real potential to lessen that suffering and death.

 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
23. This post should bother me.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:43 PM
Jun 2022

But now the gloves are off. I feel bad I have become that but, well fuck em. They fought like hell and used every trick in the book to get what they wanted, so why can't we? Because we're better than that? Damn that hasn't gotten us much now has it?

Hav

(5,969 posts)
37. That's the correct attitude
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 09:00 PM
Jun 2022

No more playing nice.
We'll probably hear stories about women bleeding out with doctors around her doing nothing but checking for a heartbeat of the fetus. But people here care about poor Ivanka being exposed as a hypocrite.

Paladin

(28,262 posts)
92. +1,000,000.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 07:28 AM
Jun 2022

We need to stow that "We're better than that" crap, immediately. We're in a war for our survival, and we need to take the gloves off---like our opponents did, decades ago.

I'm betting there are plenty of abortion procedures hidden within the trump regime---and every one of them ought to see the light of day.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
26. Ivanka grew up in New York which is a famously pro-choice state
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:48 PM
Jun 2022

I don't agree with outing personal information about a private individual. However DU didn't do this, it was told by her former "bestie" so ... there's that.

H2O Man

(73,552 posts)
36. True.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:58 PM
Jun 2022

Valid point. But does it not raise the question: would any person here want to be the type of being that is besy friends with Ivanka? Or, worse yet, to be Ivanka?

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
82. It's not weaponising it. It's pointing out sheer hypocrisy...
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 02:15 AM
Jun 2022

I remember years ago when I first encountered American anti-choicers online and a clinic worker came forward and said that anti-choicers are quite happy to organise an abortion if it's for themselves or their families and it happened quite a bit. The hypocricy was breathtaking then and it's just as much now with Ivanka. She's disgusting and hypocritical and a liar. What's beyond contemptible is defending her right to be a fucking hypocrite.

NCcoast

(480 posts)
72. Hypocrisy is the life blood of the American right
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 11:28 PM
Jun 2022

No one in their ranks gives a damn what the leaders did, which they won't believe anyway (fake news), or what they are doing, (more fake news). They only care that leadership pretends to be righteous, superior, holier than thou.

Old southern joke:

Q: What's the difference between a Methodist and a Baptist?

A: A Methodist will say hello to you in the liquor store.



RANDYWILDMAN

(2,672 posts)
73. She is white woman of means, who want's to deny others that right
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 11:33 PM
Jun 2022

Sounds like a hypocrite to me. Her family doesn't care one bit, her dad paid for it.

The RW will love her for it anyways. like born agains, they love those people. See they were wrong, but saw the light and now they are reformed.....yada yada yada


cherish44

(2,566 posts)
76. I'm more interested in Trump's mistresses and girlfriends coming out with abortion stories
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 12:30 AM
Jun 2022

I'm sure they've been paid off well to keep quiet. (Yes I'm just speculating....but it's crossed your mind too maybe)

BradAllison

(1,879 posts)
80. Of course she has, likely multiple....
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:41 AM
Jun 2022

Including as a result of incest.


We are going to find out how truly sick this nation is......

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
83. Sigh. We're outing women's abortions
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 03:10 AM
Jun 2022

on Democratic Underground with the source being Radar Online.
This isn't a road we should be going down.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
87. Yeah, no. Either everyone has the right to medical
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 03:45 AM
Jun 2022

privacy or no one does. Why doesn't anyone publish an article about men's STD's? Not that I think they should. Republicans are hypocrites. That news is about as old as the bible. We're being played here. This is a red herring.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
88. You are clearly on a very different path than most pro-choicers I know...
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 03:50 AM
Jun 2022

My introduction to the internet years ago was a Yahoo group where anti-choice wankers would rant and rave at us. They went into a frenzy when one clinic worker pointed out that they'd seen a fair few anti-choicers go for abortions for themselves or their families. And you know what the response from the rabid Yahoo anti-choicers was? Names! Or it didn't happen! So when it comes to Ivanka, if you can't see the absolute total hypocrisy and decide that everyone who disagrees with you is misogynistic or a truly terrible person, then tough. I hope you don't shame-silence people into not pointing out the total hypocrisy of extreme RW women...

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
89. Also, a question about this medical privacy you speak of...
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 03:58 AM
Jun 2022

If a doctor or other health professional makes public the details of someone's health history, that's breaching their medical privacy, right? In this case, it's an ex-friend who's saying they took Ivanka to have an abortion. Using the same train of thought, does it mean we shouldn't mention that prominent anti-vaxxers have had Covid if someone who knows them makes it public?

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
91. I imagine the Trump family as well as many "pro-life" GQP politicians have substantially funded
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 07:21 AM
Jun 2022

abortion clinics across the world. This is all part of their ploy to gain power and nothing else. If they cared about babies and children they might not cut funding for health care, housing, food and education. They don't care about "life," unless it's their own.

MissMillie

(38,559 posts)
93. I get that hypocrisy is always an issue when it comes to the GOP
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 07:31 AM
Jun 2022

But I think that we can fall into that trap too.

Outing folks over this private decision... I don't like this tactic.

And yeah, I can already imagine the arguments I'll get from a lot of you. I really do get it.

I just think that "When they go low..." we need to go high.

They display hypocrisy over a lot of other things. If we believe our own arguments, this issue needs to be off limits. (And yes, I get that makes things a little convenient for them.)

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