If Ivanka had an abortion, that is her business.

[Samrob]

We need to stop right now from being like the people we say we abhor. Abortion is still a CHOICE and should be a deeply private choice. No law can stop it. A law can only make it a crime. I know women who have two or three children whom they love dearly but also had abortions before and since giving birth. They had their reasons and I refuse to judge them whatever their reason.

I would not chose to have an abortion unless there were reasons of health for the baby or me. But I would never not support a woman's right to choose. I despise Trump but I know Ivanka didn't choose to be his child.

[Phoenix61]

1. If someone spews anti-choice rhetoric but chose to have

an abortion it’s fair game. The “fine for me but not for thee” needs to be called out.

[area51]

44. +1 n/t

[alphafemale]

81. Show me where Ivanka has done this

I do not think her dad putting his sweaty paws all over her body since she was ten counts.

[Hav]

2. Choice and whether abortion was legal for her

has nothing to do with the criticism. The only question is whether she lobbies to take away rights from others that she had. If she doesn't do that, I'd agree, everybody should shut up about it.

[dflprincess]

17. Not just the rights she had

but let's remember, should she ever find herself in need of abortion again, she has the means to travel to another state or country to get one.

[blueknight73]

3. Please,

She's worked in his cabinet, lied constantly, raped the treasury for millions of dollars. She and her disgusting siblings deserve everything bad that could possibly happen to them

[Kingofalldems]

4. Nope.

[gratuitous]

5. She's put herself in the political arena

She served in her father's administration, claimed a seat at the table that should have been occupied by other, more experienced career public servants, embarrassed the country on the world stage, and sat silently by as her father packed the Supreme Court with nominees who would take away the rights of all women to determine the course of their own health care.

It's not whether she had an abortion, but the hypocrisy of her actions.

[madaboutharry]

6. I think calling people out for having an abortion is inconsistent with being pro-choice.

I do think that people are responding to her comment that she is “unabashedly pro-life.” At the time that interview came out, it was reported that there was a lot of eyeball rolling in New York. Not because she may or may not have had an abortion, but because the “I’m pro-life” was a brand new thing for her.

Everything about Ivanka is fake. And that is something we have known from day one.

And there is the hypocrisy, which looks bad on everyone.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

7. Clinic escorts routinely walk in protesters to access abortion care. Whatever reason they have

for getting abortion is irrelevant, as is the fact those people are out protesting the next week. Nothing is gained by trying to walk them through the dichotomy.

[Crunchy Frog]

48. There's a difference between a protester and a policymaker.

[tirebiter]

8. It's very much her business until

she or a source of credibility lays it out

[Meadowoak]

9. Yeah and that's why we lose elections. We always bring a hot dish to pass to a gunfight. War is war

[newdayneeded]

19. I'm seeing this more and more.

Hell, we can't even call repubs bad names on here.

[BlackSkimmer]

88. Lol. Clearly you've not been paying very close attention.

That’s funny.

[gldstwmn]

35. An eye for an eye leaves everybody blind.

[JanMichael]

38. I don't think that this raises to the level of Hammurabi's Code.

[gldstwmn]

39. Yes, apparently there are all sorts of special carve outs for women and abortions.

But if you're a man with the clap you're all set.

[Meadowoak]

46. A schoolyard bully will taunt and tease you every day, until you punch him in the nose

Then he will have respect for you.

[gldstwmn]

47. That worked so well for... who was it again?

[Paladin]

84. It worked well for ME, amongst many, many others.

Democrats need to drop their allegiance to Goody Two Shoes behavior. How bad does it have to get before that obvious fact sinks in? We either fight the enemy, or we die...

[dixiechiken1]

10. "But I would never not support a woman's right to choose."

See, that's where you and Ivanka differ... she would not support a woman's right to choose and does not support a woman's right to choose.

Also, fuck her. If she had a safe, legal abortion, you're right - that *is* her business. If she believes no other woman should have access to the same, that's ALL OF OUR business. It's about the hypocrisy.

[brush]

16. This exactly. Well said.

[dem4decades]

11. If her and her father hadn't fucked the country I might agree. Fuck her.

[mcar]

12. Bull. Also shite

I don't give a hoot if she's had an abortion or not. She, her daddy and their horrific minions are killing people because of their insatiable lust for money.

She is a hypocrite and her hypocrisy should be pointed out.

[Skittles]

13. OMFG

HYPOCRISY ALWAYS NEEDS TO BE CALLED OUT - ALWAYS

[ecstatic]

14. Not anymore, per SCOTUS. nt

[applegrove]

15. I think it should be between her and her doctor.

[brush]

18. That would be fine if she hadn't come out as pro-life.

Hypocrisy must be called out.

[d_r]

21. the supreme court,

that her father put in place to get the evangelical votes, disagrees

[applegrove]

22. True this.

[kcr]

20. Wrong

In fact, it seems you prioritize poor Ivanka's feelings over the rights of all other women.

[SkylineChili]

74. Yes

So much this. Ivanka deserves to be called out for the hypocrite she is. I personally know 4 women who have had abortions. All are Red State Christofacists, who are "rabidly pro-life" and are thrilled that choice is denied to other women. She, and they, deserve no special consideration. We continue to bring white gloves and cotillion manners to a street fight.

[RobinA]

80. And How Does

«calling her out as the hypocrite she is » help this situation, exactly? There is nothing to be gained from bringing her choices into this. It’s disgusting.

[orangecrush]

23. NOT ANYMORE

No more Mr. Nice Democrat.

Cry me a river.

[LenaBaby61]

28. THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[blue neen]

24. Really? These lunatics are tracking women's periods.

They want to know if there is a possibility of a pregnancy by tracking their menstrual cycles. What about their privacy, our privacy?

So, I couldn't care less about Ivanka's "deeply private choice". She has no respect for anyone else's. She helped to elect her asshole of a father and made money on it to boot.

Screw her and the surgically enhanced horse she rode in on.

[onecaliberal]

25. Fuck Ivanka and her criminal fucking family. SHE PUT HERSELF IN THR MIDDLE.

She’s a liar and a criminal herself. So no.
FUCK IVANKA TO HELL!

[edhopper]

26. Fuck, that shit

While preachers preach of evil fates
Teachers teach that knowledge waits
Can lead to hundred-dollar plates
And goodness hides behind its gates
But even the President of the United States
Sometimes must have
To stand naked.

[LenaBaby61]

27. "We need to stop right now from being like the people we say we abhor."

So Ivanka got the right to choose to have to have HER abortion, but is "PRO-LIFE" and doesn't give a damn who dies if they choose to self-abort. She gets to play GOD like the rest of them? She's not my niece's or great niece's GOD, not any woman's God of child-bearing age whose pro-choice.

She's an evil pos and knows that women WILL DIE when they are forced to try to FIND an abortion doctor/clinic in a Red state. See, most women aren't rich like her, and couldn't fly on a jet or drive comfortably to have an abortion like she did. Some women will die because Roe was overturned. They'll NOT be going on vacation, the ones who try to self-abort, they coul end up DYING. Those same women who are successful at self-abortion because they're trapped in a corner will leave children who will perhaps become orphans, who the GQP wouldn't SPIT on if those kids were on fire. Ivanka would just probably spit on them for NOT being her kids, because she's too entitled to give a damn about who she murders, and the reversal of Roe IS MURDER flat out for many women, and she's pro-life now, so screw those women. I had my abortion, let me burn this bridge down behind ME. Please. NO, she's just as evil and vile as her Daddy and the rest of the GQP US Taliban Party and their bought and paid for reich-winged, corrupted, Federalist Court that doesn't give a shit that they WILL kill women, and force little girls to have their uncle's, daddy's cousin's or brother's baby.

Women and now little girls are in a deadly battle to save THEIR wombs from being taken away from them, and in many cases women are in a battle to save their lives if they have an ectopic pregnancy, which many in the GQP want to stop also. Little girls are in a deadly battle to not be forced to have to have their daddy's baby. I mean, damn.

These lying, Opus Dei male devils plus one cultish, cock-eyed lying handmaiden devil on the High Court and most of these filthy, disgusting, treasonous reich-wingers KNOW that they're sentencing women to their DEATHS. Yet they don't CARE. They go home at night, eat a big, lavish dinner, enjoy a restful sleep, probably drink a Creme Brulee for those who drink KNOWING that women will DIE if they are not allowed to have a surgery because they have an ectopic pregnancy on their hands--or rather in their fallopian tubes. Not every woman can drive to a blue state to have an abortion. Hey, God Bless you, and I don't know how old you, but they're going after contraception next per that self-hating, sexually assaulting, treasonous HOG Thomas, the evil piece of filth he is. You okay with NOT having ANY contraception if you're a woman of child-bearing age? What about men who use condoms? That contraception also is what they're blathering on getting rid of as well. You have daughters of child-bearing age who are sexually active or who are married? Welp, unless they keep their legs closed, wear a chastity belt or their husband/boyfriend has a snip, snip, they're in danger of becoming pregnant, and I didn't even mention pregnancy via rape.

I'm extra passionate about Roe--not for myself--but for other women and little girls who want to control their OWN bodies/wombs. I'm pretty much out of child-bearing age, but I have nieces, great nieces and I have a friend who almost died from an ectopic pregnancy. She was in agony, excruciating pain, and if not for her being able to have a laparoscopic surgery, she would have DIED as her Fallopian tube almost exploded/ruptured and she'd have bleed to death, and the GQP are going in on stopping ectopic pregnancy surgeries.

Ohio bill orders doctors to ‘re implant ectopic pregnancy’ or face 'abortion murder charges

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/29/ohio-extreme-abortion-bill-reimplant-ectopic-pregnancy

MISSOURI REPUBLICAN PROPOSES ANTIABORTION BILL THAT WOULD LITERALLY KILL PREGNANT PEOPLE.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/brian-seitz-missouri-abortion-ectopic-pregnancy

This bill 👆🏻 was repealed, but now I hear that the same ass is going to bring that bill BACK. Sick bastard.

WOMEN who are pro-choice are literally fighting with murderers and killers in the GQP US Taliban party who are bringing an undertaker to their fight, because they don't care how many bodies they pile up, they just want to force women to become birthing machines, or die of an ectopic pregnancy if they are in that situation. They also don't care if little girls become pregnant via incest with their dad's baby. That little girl will be a Mom, sister and a sibling if she's forced to have her dad's baby. THAT IS SICK!!!.

I will never sit back POLITELY and let someone cut my throat and kill me or mine's without a fight, and women and little girls of child-bearing age are in a damn fight for their lives LITERALLY against MURDERERS in the GQP US Taliban party, and on the most corrupt High Court in history.

[blue neen]

29. Righteous rant!

I'm in awe. Then this: "that self hating, sexually assaulting treasonous HOG Thomas, the evil piece of filth he is."

[dixiechiken1]

30. OH. MY. GOD. 😲 DU needs a bow-down, "I'm not worthy" smilie. Seriously.

[musette_sf]

32. +1

[JanMichael]

40. Thank you.

[Pathwalker]

50. +a million. And Thank you!

[Paladin]

85. +1,000,000. (nt)

[musette_sf]

31. Noted beer and rape aficionado Boof Boy Kavanaugh

started his rape career in high school. Anyone who achieved power through Orange Caligula and is a public hypocrite is fair game.

[gldstwmn]

36. Then let's start talking about the STD's men have had. Why are we only calling out women as

abortion seeking whores?

[JanMichael]

42. Anybody trying to take away the right to penicillin or some other drug for men's itching and burn?

Apples to Carburetors. You are conflating Abortion with a rash.

But if they do try to take away treatment and we get word that a person that advocated to stop STD treatment actually had some itchy burning thing and got treatment. Then fire away.

[gldstwmn]

43. I'm talking about medical privacy.

You're talking about the H word. When you point one finger, there are three fingers pointing back at you. Pointing out Republican hypocrisy will get us nowhere. Calling out women for abortions is rooted in misogyny and disdain for women in general. The source of this information is a tabloid. This is not a level to which we need to descend.

[musette_sf]

51. Failing to call out hypocrites

loudly, pointedly, and whenever possible is rooted in misogyny. Failure to expose those who benefited from reproductive justice, then seek to brutally erase it, is rooted in disdain for women.

We won’t go back and we won’t be silent. It isn’t “descending” at all to speak out and speak truth.

[gldstwmn]

52. No one is asking you to be silent. People have a right not to have their medical information

revealed and yes, these revelations are rooted in misogyny and furthering it. Hypocrisy is not a secret. We know Republicans are hypocritical. You can point out that a man who wasn't as qualified was promoted over a woman. But outing people who have had abortions or are LGTBQ is hateful and not furthering what we are trying to do here.

[musette_sf]

64. LenaBaby said it all.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216848617#post27

[Hav]

83. Valerie Plame's crime was being the wife

of someone who dared to speak out against fabricated evidence. To take revenge against her husband, repubs thought it was justified to endanger her life and that of everybody involved who worked with her.
Ivanka was directly involved in an abhorrent administration under a president that said that women who get abortions need to get punished, she pretends to be pro-life while allegedly taking advantage of the right to a safe and legal abortion. It's the hypocrisy, how it that so hard to understand?
All these Ivanka apologists tripping over themselves to come to her defense is one of the weirdest things on DU.

[Hav]

92. "I am not an apologist for nor am I defending Ivanka Trump"

Yes, you are and yes you do in this thread in every post and you deliberately misrepresent the reason why she's criticized.

Many here have made it clear again and again that this isn't about getting an abortion. No one criticizes or shames her for taking advantage of a right that should exist for every woman. It's about the holier than thou types who preach about being pro-life while enjoying rights that wouldn't be extended to others if they had their way. It is up for public debate when you voice your opinion about it in public and when the policies of your administration have these disastrous consequences.

[blue neen]

93. Why would you even post those words?

"abortion seeking whores"?

[gldstwmn]

33. Medical privacy is either for no one or everyone. There is no middle ground.

[pnwmom]

56. This isn't a violation of HIPAA or medical privacy. Her former friend exposed her, because she was

upset that Ivanka has been spouting off against abortions.

[gldstwmn]

57. I didn't say it was a violation of HIPAA. If we allow these continued outings of women's healthcare

procedures then pretty soon it's going to be okay to do it to all women not just certain women. That is where all of this is headed. Now that you bring up HIPAA though this should be treated as a crime. It should be illegal to reveal what healthcare procedures women and men have had and if they are utilizing birth control even. How would you like it if a former friend of yours decided to be vindictive and reveal that you were say, HIV positive or had Hepatitis C to your friends and employer? What if they chose to reveal that you have previously sought mental health treatment or substance abuse treatment? Are those things really anybody's business to judge you by because one day they decide they're mad at you or they don't like you anymore?
This is part of the reason we have trouble winning. We get caught up in some sort of salacious diversion and can't see the forest through the trees anymore. Once we bite on this poison apple, we've lost the plot.

[musette_sf]

34. She was an employee and "advisor" to the Fetid Orange Pustule

Fair game. Also, let us remember:

Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards: Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump offered a 'bribe' to stop abortions

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/04/planned-parenthood-president-cecile-richards-jared-kushner-and-ivanka-trump-offered-a-bribe-to-stop-abortions.html

[musette_sf]

49. Non sequitur IMHO

[gldstwmn]

62. Tell me how it's different.

[Towlie]

41. "Abortion is still a CHOICE" - (It looks like someone here isn't keeping up with current events.)

 
←

[gldstwmn]

45. It's still a choice in a lot of states. That's the problem though. We're not a bunch of

independent states. We're a bunch of states that make up one country.

[BannonsLiver]

53. Nope.

The mollycoddling of these monsters has to end. Its why we lose.

Enjoy your ratio.

[gldstwmn]

70. Ah, the constitutional democracy really is just a popularity contest after all reduced to clicks

on the internet.

[Autumn]

54. No it's not. When she inserted herself into the political world she became fucking fair game.

[Celerity]

71. +10000000000000000

[pnwmom]

55. Nope. She's presented herself publicly as a pro-lifer, so she's fair game.

She shouldn't be trying to take away from other women a right she's exercised herself.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

59. She is a white women of means, she should not say a word

because when she does say things, she appears dumb and out of touch.

She has every right to make a choice but she is public figure and has future plans to work for the government, when that is the case. her words, her privilege are fair game.


You are right and you are wrong. She didn't choose D to be her dad, but she choose to volunteer and take advantage of dad's place in this world and she made money off of it. all bets are off when you exploit, what is supposed to be service to the country.

[gldstwmn]

60. Okay now the First Amendment only applies to certain people?

[RANDYWILDMAN]

63. I fail to see how abortion if a first amendment issue ?

explain it too me ?

You also did not answer a thing I said, you only put up another question ?

[gldstwmn]

69. "She should not say a word." She is free to say what she wants. That seems to be what is

most upsetting to people. She shouldn't yell fire in a crowded theater though.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

75. Tongue clearly in cheek, don't be so literal

Done with this... you didn't enlighten anything here

[Demsrule86]

61. No, I don't give two fucks about Ivanka...her father nominated judges who took away

Women's rights...she grifted this country. Fuck her. And I don't care if she had an abortion both my sister and oldest daughter did. It is nothing to be ashamed of...and no more Mrs. Nice guy with these Republicans. Folks are not judging her on the abortion but on her hypocrisy. Sorry, she is not off-limits.

[H2O Man]

65. Recommended.

We need to Keep Our Eyes on the Prize. It's disappointing how easily some are distracted.

[Swede]

67. Hitler loved dogs.

nt

[gldstwmn]

68. There ya go.

[Kaleva]

72. Even Hitler would have been granted a fair trial

[Celerity]

73. Nope, she's 100% fair game. This is the type of virtual signalling/purity posturing that will get

our Party and thus the nation crushed to christofascist dust.

The Rethugs bring 10 panzer divisions to battle, and you want to bring a scolding pen and pad to regulate our side.

It is NOT about Plastiqueen's abortion choices, it is about her outrageous hypocrisy.

The Trumps and their vermin ilk are all about 'rules and laws for thee, never for me'.

[Celerity]

87. completely disagree nt

[Straw Man]

76. She's not being called out for having an abortion.

She's being called out for being a craven hypocrite who supported a monstrously misogynous regime with both her voice and her silence, all while availing herself of a right they seek to deny to others.

[gldstwmn]

78. I'm sure that's exactly what Radar Online had in mind when they published this.

[Straw Man]

95. I was talking about the reactions here.

[Blecht]

79. What the fuck is this load of shit?

Ivanka is an adult. She chose to be part of her father's world as an adult. She does not deserve anything but scorn.

[Vinca]

82. Forget Ivanka. I'm hoping women who had abortions thanks to King Donald will come forward and

tell us all about how he paid for the procedure. Same goes for all the other holier-than-thou politicians who are inflicting mandatory motherhood on women.

[gldstwmn]

90. That would be completely different. If they want to talk about that it would actually be a

compelling story. Didn't someone already talk about that already? There have been so many. I can't keep up.

[ProfessorGAC]

86. Unrec

Silly attempt at a parallel.
I'm sorry i clicked on this sanctimonious nonsense.

[Elessar Zappa]

91. Fuck her.

[David__77]

94. I think this is something where I can be glad such outings occur.

It is political war.