Sen. Bernie Sanders is calling for the end of the filibuster to codify abortion rights:

[kpete]

"If Republicans can end the filibuster to install right wing judges to overturn Roe v. Wade, Democrats can and must end the filibuster, codify Roe v. Wade, and make abortion legal and safe."

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=NPDrsB2dJ40fjzAi0gwWaA
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/24/sanders-says-end-filibuster-combat-outrageous-supreme-court-assault-abortion-rights

[PoliticAverse]

1. I'm sure Manchin and Sinema will get right on that...

or not.

[bignutz]

2. That won't happen

When you have people like Manchin representing the democrats.

[Demsrule86]

4. And without Manchin, we would have a repuke in that seat...so he votes with us more often than

not. His fellow Repuke Senator from WVA never votes with us. Without Manchin's vote, we would have lost the ACA.

[WiVoter]

22. I Agree 100%, But

I don’t understand why he chooses to be a Dem. I’m glad that he is, that’s for sure. It’s just that it’s a mystery to me.

[Rebl2]

31. To make

it hard for democrats to get bills passed. Is he a DINO?

[PatrickforB]

32. Yeah, but Manchin really is as corrupt as they come. Maybe WV, WY, ND, etc. should NOT

have two US Senators. Maybe we ought to rethink the 2 senators formula for each state, considering that a US Senator from CA represents around 29 million people, while Manchin from WV represents around 700,000 people.

That just isn't right - it is as antequated and backwards as the electoral college.

[OMGWTF]

73. The Senate is undemocratic

California has almost 40 million people. There are more people in LA County than a bunch of red taker states combined.

[calimary]

75. "Red taker states."

Works for me!

What would the taker states do if the donor states closed their doors? Just wondering.

[Beastly Boy]

79. That won't happen when you have 50 Republicans in the Senate.

[Cha]

100. Exactly.. Does he have a soloution

of how that could happen Now or is he just "calling for it"?

How about GOTV the BLUEVOTE! in 2022 so it could be Possible in our Future!?

💙💛

[LetMyPeopleVote]

134. The only way to fix this is to win more senate seats

I am not sure how Sanders thinks that he can change this without winning more seats

[LetMyPeopleVote]

135. Without Manchin, the GOP would control the Senate and VP Harris could not break ties

MVP Harris is making history with the number of ties she has broken. We really do not want to run Manchin out of the party

Link to tweet

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/tie-breaking-votes-kamala-harris-joins-small-club-rcna28537

Partisan control of the Federal Trade Commission generally isn’t a front-page issue, but many Democrats on Capitol Hill and in the Biden administration take the matter quite seriously. And as Vox reported, that’s what made yesterday’s developments in the Senate so notable.

It took eight months of hearings, nominations, health-related delays, and a tie-breaking vote from the vice president, but the Senate has confirmed Alvaro Bedoya as the Federal Trade Commission’s fifth commissioner. More importantly — and almost certainly why his confirmation was such a drawn-out and contentious process — he’s its third Democrat, and soon will likely be a deciding vote himself

.

......Regardless of which tally is correct, Harris is now in the top three for tie-breaking votes in American history.

Holding down the top slot is John Calhoun, who served as vice president from 1825 to 1832, and who broke 31 ties in the Senate over his tenure. In second place is John Adams — the nation’s first vice president — who cast 29 tie-breaking votes in eight years.

[Demsrule86]

3. Why didn't I think of that? Also I just learned water is wet.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

5. Bernie gets it... now the fight is on!!

[sheshe2]

138. He called women's issues identity politics.

From a speech in Boston:

We need candidates — black and white and Latino and gay and male. We need all of that. But we need all of those candidates and public officials to have the guts to stand up to the oligarchy. That is the fight of today.

https://www.salon.com/2016/11/22/bernie-sanders-it-is-not-good-enough-for-someone-to-say-im-a-woman-vote-for-me/

His emphasis, males should be candidates, never mentions women.

[JohnSJ]

6. Sure. Now tell that to Manchin and Sinema. We simply need more Democrats in both Houses,

and the same applies for state legislatures

[Cha]

102. And, that means Getting OUT the BLUE VOTE

in 2022!

How about he calls For That?!

💙💛

[JohnSJ]

116. Absolutely Cha

[pressbox69]

7. It's becoming obvious

that the Dems need to treat DINO's like the White Terrorist Republicans treat RINO's.

[nycbos]

8. He is come a long way for attacking Planned Parenthood as part of the "establishment"

[betsuni]

11. Edited my comment.

[LisaM]

37. Yup.

Too little, too late Bernie.

[thesquanderer]

71. Yeah, it took him a whole two days to walk back that gaffe.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/266719-sanders-clarifies-controversial-remarks-on-planned-parenthood/

[krawhitham]

83. Yeah two days of PR blowback and his own internal polls showing he was tanking

It wasn't a gaffe, watch the interview with Maddow.

[thesquanderer]

85. re: " It wasn't a gaffe, watch the interview with Maddow."

Interesting, my first awareness of it was something he said at a debate. Was the Maddow interview before or after the debate? Any chance you have a link to it?

[Cha]

104. Good.

💙💛

[Cha]

103. Yeah.. that was NOT Cool!

💙💛

[betsuni]

15. what?

[Emile]

16. What?

[betsuni]

17. "Bernie haters" are who?

[Emile]

18. Why do you care?

[betsuni]

19. ...

[Emile]

20. . . .

[betsuni]

21. ...

[betsuni]

24. Populists are wrong.

[Emile]

25. Three words, getting braver.

[betsuni]

26. ...

[Emile]

27. LOL back to three dots.

[betsuni]

29. Oh dear, I haven't had this much attention in a very long time!

I feel special. Thank you ever so!

[Emile]

30. Yeah and its all self inflicted.

[betsuni]

34. Self-inflicted? How so?

[Magoo48]

36. I like those 3 words. Please, all of our Dem Politicians, get braver.

[Emile]

40. So you are against ending the filibuster because you

think it's populist. That's interesting, because I think it's a democratic idea.

[betsuni]

41. No-one ever said it was populist idea.

[Emile]

42. So you agree with Bernie on ending the filibuster.

Progress

[betsuni]

44. I have no opinion of the filibuster because I don't know details about it.

It's not a populist idea.

[Emile]

45. I believe you!

[questionseverything]

95. If you don't know the details how do you know if it's populist or not

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

140. Bernie has been leading the charge on this and so many progressive issues...

He is to be lauded and yet the slings and arrows keep coming his way. Bernie, through his many years of public service, has continually shown us the way... maybe it's time we heed his call!!

[Cha]

105. I care.. Who are you talking about?

This is a Political Discussion Board.. Not everyone has to agree or even like certain Politicians.

💙💛

[Novara]

10. This has already been tried and it already failed. Too many times.

Manchin and Sinema couldn't even end the filibuster to protect voting rights and because of that, they themselves may lose their seats. Republican legislatures now have the ability to override voters. They could have protected our votes but they chose to protect the filibuster instead.

If they couldn't modify the filibuster for democracy, there's no way they're doing it for women.

[Beastly Boy]

80. If neutralizing Manchin and Sinema is all it takes to end the fillibuster,

I have a solution that doesn't even require any mention of Manchin or Sinema. It's called Two More Democratic Senators Who Will Vote to End Fillibuster. But I strongly suspect that will not be enough.

[Cha]

106. TY, Novara, For the REALITY CHECK!

💙💛

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

14. Any Democrat who opposes ending the filibuster at this point in history

is either extremely stupid, or has an anti-democratic, anti-American fascist agenda.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

126. On Senate Floor, Warren Calls on the Senate to End the Filibuster and Protect Voting Rights

Elections are about the will of the majority. But the Republicans in the Senate don’t want what a majority of Americans want. In fact, the 50 Republicans in the Senate together represent 41.5 million fewer Americans than the Democratic majority. But instead of taking a simple vote to protect American citizens’ access to the polls, they want to stop legislation to defend the very foundation of our democracy from even getting a vote on the floor.

Let me be clear: the filibuster has no place in our democracy. Our Founders believed deeply in protections for the minority—and those are enshrined in the Constitution and the structure of Congress. But our founders made it clear that, after extended debate, the majority could always get a vote. And that final vote, except in the case of treaties and impeachment, would be by simple majority.

The founders did not add a filibuster. With two exceptions, they insisted on plain old majority rule.

https://www.warren.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/icymi-on-senate-floor-warren-calls-on-the-senate-to-end-the-filibuster-and-protect-voting-rights

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

127. Rep. Adam Schiff: "Let's get it done. End the filibuster."

"If we end the filibuster, we can strengthen voting rights, pass universal background checks, raise the minimum wage, and more.

We can protect our democracy, and we can make progress on the urgent issues Americans elected us to address.

Let's get it done. End the filibuster.

Link to tweet

[lapucelle]

128. 21 of the 50 senators in the Democratic caucus are in favor of ending the filibuster.

Are you claiming that the other 29 Democratic senators are either extremely stupid or have an anti-democratic, anti-American fascist agenda?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/filibuster-vote-count/

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Which of those Democrats are merely stupid and which ones are the fascists?

[packman]

28. Yah, like that's going to happen

Heard that old song and dance too many times

[BlueIdaho]

35. I'm with Bernie on this one. nt

[gulliver]

39. Amy Klobuchar said on the ReidOut that we need 2 more seats in November

I assume that means a filibuster-changing majority in the Senate.

[Grins]

43. And while you are at it...

…eliminate the SENATE RULE demanding a super majority.

It is not law, it is Rule.
It enforces the tyranny of the minority over the majority.
The House doesn’t have it.
The Constitution has it, but only for Amendments to the Constitution.
Get rid of it.

[867-5309.]

47. If only Bernie had won in 2016, how different things would be

Sigh.

[betsuni]

49. How?

Without a supermajority, how would it be different?

[867-5309.]

53. He would have appointed justices instead of TFG

n/t

[betsuni]

55. Um, that was Trump.

Are you saying Hillary would be the same as Trump?

[867-5309.]

58. Eh?

If Bernie had been elected, he would have been appointing justices instead of Trump.

[betsuni]

59. So would have Hillary or any other Democrat.

What?

[867-5309.]

62. I agree, but I made the Bernie comment

since the thread concerned him.

[Voltaire2]

124. That's not fair!

When we are playing Alternate History only one specific person is allowed to be the alternate history president.

I don’t make the rulez.

[MrsCoffee]

54. If he had fucking fully supported our nominee, how different things would be.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

57. +1,000,000

[comradebillyboy]

60. Amen...

[LongtimeAZDem]

63. +∞

[justhanginon]

65. Yes!

[867-5309.]

68. He delivered a large percentage of his primary voters

There's nothing in the numbers to support Sanders being the reason she lost.

[Beastly Boy]

81. He delivered 11% of his voters to Trump

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

And that's not counting other Bernie supporters who didn't vote for Hillary. Well within the margin of Trump victory.

[questionseverything]

91. Bernie didn't own his supporters

The actual candidate has some responsibility in gathering support!

[Beastly Boy]

93. Apparently not. Trump did.

... Did I mention that Trump didn't run as a Democrat?

[questionseverything]

94. Bernie delivered a higher percentage of his supporters to hc

Than hc did to Obama

Shrugs

Ultimately it’s the candidate’s responsibility to gather support

[Beastly Boy]

96. Did I mention Trump didn't run as a Democrat? I must have...

I can't believe delivering a higher percentage of his supporters to the candidate of his party than the candidate of the opposition party would be featured so enthusiastically.

[questionseverything]

97. You are not reading/ understanding correctly

Bs delivered more of his voters to hc

Than Hillary Clinton did to Obama

[Beastly Boy]

99. Do you have any reference that shows more than 11% of Hillary supporters voting for McCain?

I would like to see that. Very much. Hell, I would even like to see any stats that show fewer than 80% of Hillary supporters voting for Obama! We know that fewer than 80% of Berie supporters voted for Hillary (https://ballot-access.org/2017/08/25/survey-shows-fewer-than-80-of-bernie-sanders-who-voted-in-general-election-voted-for-hillary-clinton/)

Ultimately, it is the voter's responsibility to cast votes. And anyone who calls themselves "progressive" giving their vote to Trump was, as history so harshly taught us, grossly irresponsible and consequential.

[questionseverything]

101. Yougov internet survey & townhall?

I will concede this,

Detroit had over 40,000 undervotes in the presidental race

Micheal moore paid to look at them

He said,” ballot after ballot, from senate to dog catcher, they voted for the democrat but left the presidental race blank”

That surely cost us Michigan

[Beastly Boy]

107. I take this to mean that you don't have any references I requested.

Ready to take back your previous statement that, and I quote, "Bernie delivered a higher percentage of his supporters to hc than hc did to Obama"?

How'bout your shrugs?

Thank you!

[questionseverything]

108. I can't post a link from my phone,sorry

And i don’t work for you

Shrugs

[Beastly Boy]

113. But you can post unfounded claims, and shrugs, from your phone, can't you?

And I am rather relieved to learn you don't work for me, too. No apologies necessary.

Well, if you ever get a hold of a device that can post links, you know where to find me.

Until then... shrugs!

[questionseverything]

114. Town hall is a right wing rag

[Beastly Boy]

115. And you can't even muster a right wing rag

On edit: would you consider Common Dreams a right wing rag? Their spin notwithstanding, they show even fewer (74%) of Bernie supporters voting for Hillary

With over 74% of Sanders followers taking Bernie's lead to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016, Sanders voters contributed mightily to Clinton’s popular vote win

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/01/23/end-blame-game-sanders-and-his-supporters-helped-hillary-win-popular-vote-2016

[questionseverything]

119. i like both hc and bs....

https://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-blames-bernie-sanders-but-not-reason-lost-2016-2020-1

That year, a YouGov survey showed 24% of respondents who identified as Clinton primary supporters ended up voting for Republican nominee John McCain that November. In 2016, the highest estimates showed 12% of Sanders primary supporters voting for Trump.

the article really isn't flattering to her so i want to be done with this

[Beastly Boy]

120. Other than Business Insider being a right wubg rag, and

the fact that the link to the Yougov site mentioned by the opinion piece in the aforementioned right wing rag as source of their data (via Washington Post, which, in turn, reprinted the article from something called Monkey Cage), contains no information mentioned by Business Insider or Monkey Cage (yes, I checked the whole maze of these links), the provenance of this data seems very straightforward and perfectly legit ( ). I must admit, it was fun, but I wouldn't want to do this again only to reach a dead end.

So forgive me for being a tiny bit skeptical of your source. I am sure, however, that, given the sum total of your posts, your intentions were aimed entirely towards protecting Hillary from unflattering articles.

[lapucelle]

129. ...

Link to tweet

https://dataverse.harvard.edu/dataset.xhtml?persistentId=doi%3A10.7910/DVN/GDF6Z0

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[Cha]

110. Mahalo!!!💙

💙💛

[PunkinPi]

122. +1 nt

[sheshe2]

139. This!!!

[LongtimeAZDem]

61. If only Sanders had started rallying his followers to support the Democratic candidate on 6/30/2016,

instead of spending the months until the election attacking her, this wouldn't be happening.

[867-5309.]

66. He endorsed her 7/12/2016

What was so important about those 12 days?

[LongtimeAZDem]

69. Those 12 days were when he had to bring his supporters around. Instead, the attacked her, the party,

the process, said that it was rigged, and jeered her at the convention. His half-hear ted endorsement did nothing to lessen that.

It was one of the most rancorous primaries we had ever had, and it was his duty to bring everyone together. Instead, he complained about superdelegates, held the process hostage, and demanded more "representation" at the convention.

He made it about him, when it should have been about stopping Trump.

[betsuni]

70. +1

[867-5309.]

72. Hillary had the responsibility to unite the party as the nominee, imo

He endorsed her before the convention, though he did apply pressure for a more progressive platform. That is appropriate.

[betsuni]

77. How?

[Nixie]

88. Bernie should have quit earlier when there was no path to

victory, and then campaigned for the Democratic Party he switched to for his benefit instead of continuing his failed revolution. He should have respected voters who went with the Democrat. Continuing any subtext that he could still win was a crippling disadvantage for any candidate.

[LongtimeAZDem]

90. +1

[Cha]

117. Yes, he SHOUsLD HAVE.. it might have

Saved Fascism from Getting in our WH & spreading Across America!!

Mahalo! 💙

💙💛

[questionseverything]

92. I think the super delegates are bs too

When members of congress and a few well connected party members get to do most the deciding before the primary even starts, why bother pretending to include regular people?

[eppur_se_muova]

121. If the GOP had superdelegates, they could have blocked TFG. I'd rather keep them. nt

[inthewind21]

131. Ya know

The rules on how the primary process works are put out about 2 years in advance. BS signed off on them in order to run as a D. Guess he didn't read what he agreed to huh.

[inthewind21]

133. Not even close

To how it works. May I suggest some light reading on the function and history of the super delegate. Which by the way has been around since 1982.

https://www.history.com/news/what-is-a-delegate-and-superdelegate

[betsuni]

76. "When he finally endorsed Hillary on July 12, speaking to a crowd in which many of his

supporters jeered her name and held signs saying 'Won't Vote Hilary,' he looked grumpy and grudging and devoted most of his speech to congratulating himself and his followers on the 'fight to create a government which represents all of us, and not just the one percent -- a government based on the principles of economic, social, racial, and environmental justice.' He boasted of the races he had won and was unable to resist a jab at party leaders by citing Clinton's abundance of superdelegates (read: in Sander's code, party hacks).

"It was not exactly a rousing call designed to energize his base and supporters and redirect their passion toward Clinton. While Clinton had focused her endorsement for Obama on his accomplishments and abilities, Sanders returned once again to his own campaign, citing the impressive attendance at his rallies ... . Conceding that Hillary Clinton was 'far and away the best candidate to do that," he then launched into an accounting of of the economic and social positions which he and Hillary shared, which gave the lie to the vast gulf between the 'revolutionary' Bernie and 'establishment' Hillary that he had run on."

Susan Bordo, "The Destruction of Hillary Clinton" (the quote things " " mean not my words).

[867-5309.]

78. Yet the numbers don't support the notion Hillary lost

because of Bernie primary voters not supporting her in the general.

[W_HAMILTON]

84. From Election Day 2016:

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

87. +1

[Cha]

118. Yeah, Don't Ask to Vote for the Dem Nominee

in our most Important GE in our lifetime.. at that point in History!

That would be a fucking Bridge too Far.

💙💛

[Cha]

111. SO MUCH Exactly This!

Yes! TY !

💙💛

[Cha]

109. If Only Hillary had WON the GE in 2016

How Different Things Would BE.

But the damn 3rd Party Voters in Swing States Swung it to The Fascist trump Asshole.
💙💛

[Voltaire2]

125. This.

It absolutely is not the candidate who loses an election who should be held responsible for that loss.

[lapucelle]

136. The only people on the presidential ballot in 2016 were Trump, Stein, Johnson, and Clinton. N/T

[bucolic_frolic]

48. What makes Bernie think it's different this time?

[Farmer-Rick]

50. There are other very liberal things that Dem leadership can do

That don't involve DINOs.

Or that will actually put political pressure on DINOs.

[TheFarseer]

52. Wouldn't the law just be found unconstitutional?

What am I missing here?

[Sympthsical]

64. They didn't rule abortion is unconstitutional

They ruled that the Constitution is neither for nor against it being legal. And whatever the Constitution doesn't cover goes to the states.

However, a Congressional law could federalize the issue.

There's nothing in the Constitution or this ruling that would prohibit that. That's why people have been fighting for codification all these years. As long as Roe stood, great. But once it fell, there needed to be a federal law protecting access to reproductive services. Even RBG warned us for years that Roe was on incredibly shaky legal ground and that there needed to be other protections.

Well, we never did it.

[Pinback]

89. Thank you. This is the key.

Thank you for the clear-eyed perspective. It’s a refreshing break from the tiresome (and all-too-predictable) divisiveness littering this thread.

This is a time to focus on practical solutions and a path forward.

[keithbvadu2]

56. Filibuster exceptions I have given up any worry or concern about the filibuster.

Filibuster exceptions

I have given up any worry or concern about the filibuster.

This filibuster crap is just that, repetitive whining. Both parties have had the opportunity to get rid of it but they both have refused because they feel that it could be useful in the future.

[David__77]

67. Now I would like Schumer and Biden and others to do so.

If the bar is 60, it won’t happen regardless of who has the majority.

[In It to Win It]

112. I don't think Joe Biden should weigh in on that because he's not in the Senate.

Joe Biden should toss that question to Chuck Schumer should anyone asks because Joe Biden has his own concerns and his own re-election to run when the time comes.

That issue should remain squarely with the Senate. Joe Biden has a much larger audience and coalition to please. Joe Biden doesn't need to weigh in nuking the filibuster for abortion rights. If Schumer manages to do away with the filibuster for abortion rights and get a bill passed, I'm sure Joe Biden would sign it. It's time to the Senators be the rebels on this one and "buck" the President.

[onetexan]

74. Do it now!!

[Beastly Boy]

82. I see Bernie is doing all the heavy lifting again.

Last edited Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:21 PM - Edit history (2)

He is calling for stuff to be done.

So what's the problem, Bernie? Do the easy part now. Introduce the bill and get it passed!

[inthewind21]

132. All the heavy lifting huh

So do tell, what has he accomplished with all this "heavy lifting" he's doing?

[Beastly Boy]

137. That was a sarcastic remark.

Meaning that all of Bernie's talk amounts to nothing... again. And my challenge to him to introduce a bill and get it passed, which is the only thing that counts when all is said and done, will certainly remain unaddressed...as usual.

[Hassler]

86. Calling for reform is one thing. Getting Mansion and Enema to do it is the

Important part.