Could abortions be performed in military base clinics regardless of the state?

[mobeau69]

[Ocelot II]

1. Probably, but they aren't open to the general public.

[mobeau69]

2. Biden could take care of that.

[Phoenix61]

6. Interesting thought. Same with VA clinics.

Might be easier to use them as getting civilians on base can be difficult.

[Dysfunctional]

18. VA clinics and hospitals can't handle all the veterans that use it now.

Where I live, I have a VA primary care doctor and a psychiatrist, my dermatologist, podiatrist, gastroenterologist, cardiologist, optometrist, audiologist, pulmonologist, psychologist, and neurologist are all non-VA, plus where I go for my MRIs, c-scans, and pet scans all because there aren't any VA within a 30-minute drive. Congress would have to allocate a lot more money to help all the veterans who want to use the VA healthcare system.

[unblock]

4. If we really wanted, we could start a program to enroll women

As part of the application process, they get a physical and the government says hey, we can't accept you while you're pregnant but we can give you a free abortion if you want.

After the abortion, the woman can choose to continue enrollment process or simply decline and go home.

I'm guessing the could all be done by executive order.

[in2herbs]

16. If I understand you correctly, if women were to enroll in the armed services to

get an abortion, since the armed services medical services are akin to Medicare for All, wouldn't your suggestion result in a Medicare for All expansion? If so, I'm all for it!

[Raven123]

3. Are they performed there now?

[mobeau69]

7. I don't know but provisions could be set up.

[unblock]

8. Not currently, afaik

[Wounded Bear]

5. I don't think so, because of the Hyde Amendment...

which disallows federal funds for abortion.

[Phoenix61]

9. Not sure if this is still applicable

In 1993, President Clinton modified the military policy on providing abortions at military medical facilities. Under the change directed by the President, military medical facilities were allowed to perform abortions if paid for entirely with non-Department of Defense (DOD) funds (i.e., privately funded).

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

10. No

Current law only allows for the military hospitals to perform abortions in the cases of rape, incest, or danger to the life of the mother. The law also bans the use of funds to pay for abortions with exception to cases of rape, incest, or danger to the life of the mother.

10 USC 1093 - Performance of abortions: restrictions
(a)Restriction on Use of Funds.—
Funds available to the Department of Defense may not be used to perform abortions except where the life of the mother would be endangered if the fetus were carried to term or in a case in which the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest.
(b)Restriction on Use of Facilities.—
No medical treatment facility or other facility of the Department of Defense may be used to perform an abortion except where the life of the mother would be endangered if the fetus were carried to term or in a case in which the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest.

[mobeau69]

11. That's not a "no" then. It's an "only if.... ".

[Fiendish Thingy]

12. National parks and Native reservations seem an easier possibility

[mobeau69]

13. Hospital ships 12 miles out in the Gulf of Mexico?

[Hekate]

15. Native lands? Have you checked to see if any of them want to help clean up our health care mess...

… at risk of their own lives?

[Fiendish Thingy]

19. BIA is under Dept of Interior, whose Sec is Native

The conversation can start there.

[Hekate]

20. Let us know what the department's response is when you write. I'd be very interested to know.

[Fiendish Thingy]

22. You seem to think the NA community would be opposed, or that it's unethical even to ask

Is that so? If so, why?

[Hekate]

23. As I said before, and sincerely, here's the link and a copy...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16847152

QUOTE
#1 What is this "reservations" idea floating around*? Native Americans are supposed to help solve...
…. what is, frankly, a white people’s problem?** Out of what abundant resources we’ve endowed to them? Many such places are in poverty, with clinics barely scraping by — and we want them to be the conduit for our medical care? We want them to take in our poor, and shelter them, and with what funds — and to take on the murderous fanatics on our behalf?

Frankly, I think this is on us. It’s our responsibility. Our society created this clusterfck, and we have to clean it up.


* meaning I’ve now seen this idea more than once at DU since the news about Roe broke

** “white people” — meaning the society and the power structure of the US

#2 National Parks are NOT for building clinics that will attract fanatics who are armed and dangerous

With thanks to malaise, “let me make this pellucidly clear”: I myself am white, a 74 y.o. woman who has supported Planned Parenthood and their good works since I was about 20.

END QUOTE

[Fiendish Thingy]

26. I guess we disagree then

I think Dept. Of Interior should have a conversation with tribal leaders about allowing privately funded clinics on tribal lands.

I also think Biden should explore the use of federal enclaves in national parks as sites for privately funded clinics.

Any clinic, anywhere, has the potential to attract armed fanatics- that shouldn’t be a reason to not use a loophole to protect women’s reproductive rights. I would support using the National Guard to protect the clinics if needed- if they can be used to integrate schools, they can be used to protect women’s access to healthcare.

I agree there needs to be a better long term solution, optimally by codifying Roe and expanding the court.

Otherwise, We will have to agree to disagree.

[JI7]

32. They would also face terrorist threats

[Hekate]

33. Exactly what I meant by "at risk of their own lives." The anti-abortion mob has committed murder

… arson, maiming, and mayhem before this — and they won’t stop now.

I can’t get any answer from this earnest poster as to WHY the people on tribal lands would even WANT to step into this mess and WHY anyone outside the tribes even thinks they are obligated to do so. All the goodwill generated by whites over the last half-millenium, maybe? All the healthcare assistance white people have provided them — really?

Seriously,

[MichMan]

17. National parks?

Why would that be a good idea?

[Fiendish Thingy]

21. Watch the video

It discusses the use of “federal enclaves”, many within national parks, that are exempt from state laws. There are thousands of enclaves, in every state.

Biden could open the enclaves for use by clinics with a simple EO.

[Hekate]

24. "Simple EO" gets overturned by the next GOP president on the first day in office

But you knew that

[Fiendish Thingy]

27. Yes, of course. But that's not a reason not to issue the EO. Nt

[alphafemale]

14. Probably if it was against the woman's will

If they wanted to deploy her.

[Hekate]

25. "Military medicine" is known to be an oxymoron, especially as it relates to women

Just sayin’

[bluestarone]

29. I believe THIS will be how it's handled

It will be the easiest way. Only problem is FUNDING? I would donate if needed.