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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y) on Sunday said conservative U.S. Supreme Court justices who misled Americans during their confirmation hearings about whether or not they supported overturning Roe v. Wade should be impeached and face consequences for lying under oath.
Ocasio-Cortez told NBCs Meet the Press moderator Chuck Todd the Supreme Court dramatically overreached its authority and created a crisis of legitimacy that President Biden should address.
If we allow Supreme Court nominees to lie under oath and secure lifetime appointments to the highest court of the land and then issue without basis, if you read these opinions rulings that deeply undermine the human civil rights of the majority of Americans, we must see that through, the lawmaker said.
There must be consequences for such a deeply destabilizing action and the hostile takeover of our democratic institutions, she added.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ocasio-cortez-says-conservative-justices-lied-under-oath-should-be-impeached/ar-AAYSZKk
dflprincess
(28,078 posts)Why shouldn't it happen to these jerks?
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,986 posts)But your point remains.
dflprincess
(28,078 posts)I had forgotten that!
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)Why should we waste time and money doing things that will have literally no effect except possibly hurt us in the midterm?
patphil
(6,176 posts)At least 100!
https://howmanytimeshasthehousevotedtorepealobamacare.com/
It was a waste of time in terms of actually being able to do it, but it kept their base churned up. Political theater that worked, but not directly.
I think it's worth considering, depending what happens in November.
in2herbs
(2,945 posts)the justices is doable, sentencing them to kick them out of office is something else but, just as the premise for the J6 hearings is public exposure, the premise for impeaching certain justices should also be public exposure. These justices need to be held publicly accountable for their lies and hypocrisy. In doing this we, meaning the older generation, will show the generations coming after us that we are trying to do everything in our power to correct the course of power that has been abused.
But, I agree. Wait until after midterms. I think the info/facts coming out of the J6 hearings is as much info as most of the public can digest. But waiting does not mean not discussing. This must be part of the Ds mid-terms campaign platform. Unless Ds have bullet points for what they intend to address/correct if given their majority I don't see enough voter enthusiasm to put us over the top. IMO there are a lot of Ds disillusioned in the D party's decades-long "let's get along with the Rs" attitude.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)agree to disagree.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)constitutional remedy...but no person will be tossed out without conviction...this includes all branches of government.
FBaggins
(26,739 posts)Not only can we not convict them... we can't even effectively make the point.
They were asked about many cases and (just like progressive SCOTUS nominees) refused to hint at how they would rule.
Of course, AOC wasn't on the committee, but pretty much every democrat who was is on the record as believing that they would overturn Roe and that was a primary reason why they voted against them. And pretty much every republican said that they thought the three would overturn Roe and that's a big reason why they supported them.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)LonePirate
(13,424 posts)Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)thing but we can't. And with the other issues today gas, inflation (fake though it is) we should not have a hearing period on the justices.
wnylib
(21,466 posts)there is no political theater value in an investigation or hearings. In fact, the political theater route would work against us. MAGAts will never be swayed by hearings and e anyone else will be put off by them. The rest of the country outside of MAGATs does not get riled up over theatrical politics the way that MAGATs do.
mjvpi
(1,388 posts)This is the first step towards Biden expanding the court. The reasons have to be laid bare to the American people.
COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)It needs to happen now. There are 12 Judicial circuits so each Associate Justice could oversee one, and the CJ makes 13. Do it now. Then use McConnell's tactics and ram through three young, liberal justices just like he did. Do it before November if possible, but do it after November if needed. Keep the Senate in session as long as it takes, up until Jan. 3 if need be. Just f***ing do it!
MagickMuffin
(15,942 posts)Anyone who participated in the attempted coup does not get a vote since they don't believe in our form of democracy. They instigated a coup to overthrow our government. No vote for you.
Now let the impeachments begin!
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)Now, kindly point out where in the Constitution this would be allowed.
RestoreAmerica2020
(3,435 posts)..article (s) of impeachment can be typed, printed today, Pelosi has vote ..off to it goes to Senate where Manchin and others are sad bc justices lied to them..suprise surprise--NOT! Yet, will probably vote with Republiklans bc..?
Yes, yes I know it's only been done once or twice before. In 1804/05 SCJ Samuel Chase was impeached by House, yet acquitted by Senate. However, his legacy was tarnished int the public domain or record for all to see--same should happen to 6 who purjured themselves to Congress. Thomas should have an extra article for obstruction re releasing ffg documents to congress, documents that would implicate his wife.
brooklynite
(94,572 posts)Seriously. How do you prove a Justice lied in a Senate Confirmation?
RobinA
(9,893 posts)I doubt any of them said anything definitive. Just a lot of weasel words.
Beastly Boy
(9,347 posts)But they should definitely carry the stigma of impeachment for the rest of their careers and into history books.
Farmer-Rick
(10,173 posts)The GOP and the Supremely Religious Court did this under the Dem's watch on purpose. Dem's will historically be associated with this taking away of the right to bodily automony. Like guilt by association, in the minds of sleep walking voters.
So, if we can take a few of the real culprits to take some of the historical blame, it will be a good thing.
in2herbs
(2,945 posts)in2herbs
(2,945 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)colleagues to develop some influence, though, and to become productive in congress. Others who were elected after her have turned it into achievements. She can and should also if she wants to make a difference.
As it is, if the house does eventually move forward with impeachment (yes!), others will make it happen. Of course.
NewHendoLib
(60,014 posts)What a joke - "supreme court" my ass.
malthaussen
(17,195 posts)triron
(22,003 posts)...
cloudboy07
(351 posts)senser'd from their vote counting , just like congress if not removed !
Amishman
(5,557 posts)A member of congress who is censured must give up a committee chair if they hold one. They still vote and are counted.
I am not aware of a specific censure process for justices. The only external discipline process is impeachment, which means 2/3rds in the senate for any punishment.
cloudboy07
(351 posts)never to old too admit when ya goof !
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,166 posts)Mr. Evil
(2,844 posts)questionseverything
(9,654 posts)Thomas first
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)Now, take a Civics 101 class and then get back to us on how it's possible.
Mr. Evil
(2,844 posts)Instead of being condescending and rude maybe you'd like to educate me since I'm nowhere near as perfect as you.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)Perjury?
All they've got to say is that their views have evolved since their confirmation hearings, which they are allowed to do.
They're POS's for sure, but they're covered as far as perjury.
Perfect? Yeah, uh, no.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)THIS is exactly how we ended up here. Damn near the entire country need a civics 101 class. Or at the very least a Saturday morning of school house rock!
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)czarjak
(11,277 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,340 posts)If only Clinton had become president ...
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,986 posts)The votes aren't there for removal.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,340 posts)lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts)They clearly can no longer be in office. The process is painfully slow, but there can be no question about holding federal office under that clause
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)Where is the insurrection or rebellion against the US.
I mean in legal terms?
lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts).
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)you don't know and are just guessing.
lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts)The evidence is mounting. These people are part of the conspiracy. Haven't you been paying attention to the hearings?
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)So far, all you're doing is speculating without providing any facts.
lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts)Answer: ALL the evidence about Ginni Thomas after his refusal to recuse
Please stop trolling me
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)it's on you to provide the evidence.
Was C. Thomas bound by law to recuse himself?
He's a RW POS, but just where is the crime?
Again, you've got nothing.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)have no idea as knowing and proving are different things...but It will not lead to Thomas's removal. The only way to remove a sitting justice is to impeach and then convict. We do not have the super majority needed to do this. As for the 14th amendment, I fail to see how it makes any difference.
'No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.'
FBaggins
(26,739 posts)Please link to "the process".
lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts)you win
FBaggins
(26,739 posts)Far too many Democrats are on the bubble in November. There's no way they're going to stick their necks out on something that can't possibly succeed but could easily blow up in their faces.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)Speaker Pelosi is a very savvy and experienced politician and she knows this would backfire on the Dems badly, she wouldn't even bring it to the floor.
spanone
(135,834 posts)RANDYWILDMAN
(2,672 posts)votes are not there.
Orrex
(63,212 posts)Don't mistake me: I'd like to see them strapped to a rocket and launched into the sun, but it's pointless to hope that they'll be impeached for this or anything else when we know that it'll never happen.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)I don't even think the votes are there for impeachment in the House, and it's my opinion that Speaker Pelosi won't even bring it to the floor, especially this close to the mid terms.
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)Better Days Ahoy
(698 posts)That includes a fair amount of bold-faced liars was not seen as an issue.
azureblue
(2,146 posts)a man's word was his bond, and honor and integrity were the most important traits a person could have? If if you lied, no one would do business with or trust you again.
That is, before the Repubs decided that H & I were weaknesses to exploit.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,178 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,124 posts)member or Senator. The American people are expecting the truth upfront, especially when it comes to a lifetime appointment, which is a very very long time. Enough of this lying. Enough of these political hacks getting away w/ lying and pretty well anything else. I'm sick and tired of these types getting away w/ crap, such as tRUMP getting away w/ his numerous crimes, the lying by those now on the Supreme Court under false pretenses, the senators and house reps lying about what they were doing on 1/6/21, etc.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)even if we don't have the votes to convict impeach them so they will have that stain on them
lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts)We could end up with the votes
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts)Are you trolling here?
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)I'll ask again, what crimes did those justice's commit?
Specifics please.
lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts)Please look it up for yourself if you somehow missed the Tsunami of evidence we are in
Start with those who requested pardons and did not get them only because chump knew they would stab him in the back
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)And this has what to do with the justices?
You've got nothing.
lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts)PLEASE STOP TROLLING ME
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)I'm trying to get you to provide evidence of SC crimes.
lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts)What Ginni did may well end up in one of many future convictions. Add to this Clarence Thomas's refusal to recuse along with any proof of his attempts to cover his tracks and you have ample reasons to investigate and possibly impeach
brooklynite
(94,572 posts)Stating that a stated opinion was false is virtually impossible to prove. "We know they're guilty" isn't something you can say to a Jury.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)That's the point I was trying to get across.
lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts)Wrong thread, sorry
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,378 posts)you thought this thread was about members of Congress?
Now I see the problem.
We all have our brain farts here and there.
No harm, no foul.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)by losing an election...no GOP types saw the light. We can add justices or wait for the old ones to die...that is about it...maybe we can put in term limits but if that requires an amendment, we can't do that either.
lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts)We have heavy hitters coming up to bat and I believe this is still the pregame show
The impeachments only failed due to deep and unanticipated flaws in our Constitution
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)an effect in terms of January 6th. But no Republican is going to vote to impeach those involved with the insurrection like Ron Johnson...hope that SOB gets prosecuted in Wisconsin. What he did is a state crime and proveable.
lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts)They have been a terminally corrupt political party in virtual lockstep for years. This can change. We must double down on democracy and fix these flaws. I'd be happy to see them go the way of the Whigs. Green Party anyone?
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts)Do you prefer repugnantcons?
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)pretend to care about progressive issues but they don't really...actions speak louder than words. fuck and fuck Greens.
brooklynite
(94,572 posts)booley
(3,855 posts)and its not as if the GOP wouldn't do this if the tables were turned.
No, it probably wouldn't lead to any of them being impeached.
But for instance, seeing Clarence Thomas having to explain why he didn't want documents regarding Jan 6th released that could have incriminated his wife would be political gold.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)stating the obvious. I like AOC. But come on... Making declarations like this comes across as either thinking WE are all stupid and didn't know it then or the one making the statement is waaaaay late to the party.