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Adam Schiff today on MSNBC. (Original Post) Grasswire2 Jun 2022 OP
If it wasn't so serious it would be funney, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #1
the blame for that lies with a secret OLC memo from 1984 Grasswire2 Jun 2022 #10
So who appoints the head of the OLC, the President or the AG, and does the appointment sunset when KPN Jun 2022 #29
excellent questions Grasswire2 Jun 2022 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author PatrickforB Jun 2022 #20
Some DUers Need To Set Him Straight SoCalDavidS Jun 2022 #2
Lol ! OnDoutside Jun 2022 #3
I Have Huge Respect For Mr Schiff SoCalDavidS Jun 2022 #4
No, I know exactly where you are coming from. OnDoutside Jun 2022 #5
He, like many DUers, will believe it when he sees it. Sneederbunk Jun 2022 #6
Ok, that's disturbing nt XanaDUer2 Jun 2022 #7
he has said the same thing previously, and been totally consistent. Grasswire2 Jun 2022 #8
How is it possible that no one FoxNewsSucks Jun 2022 #9
Adam Schiff saw no evidence Clark was being investigated until the FBI raided his fucking house. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #11
Did Schiff make that statement about Clark? Grasswire2 Jun 2022 #25
Schiff needs to stop harping Deminpenn Jun 2022 #12
Exactly, I think this is his way of putting pressure on Garland. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #16
It's to the point of being non-productive, imo Deminpenn Jun 2022 #32
So the DOJ is working from the bottom up and the J6 Cts is working from in2herbs Jun 2022 #17
Let him harp all he wants. GoCubsGo Jun 2022 #18
Well, Schiff likely knows more than you or I do. Grasswire2 Jun 2022 #27
What's he accomplishing? Deminpenn Jun 2022 #33
How do we know that tfg didn't give himself a pardon before leaving office? Maraya1969 Jun 2022 #14
Hey Adam edhopper Jun 2022 #15
Jfc! SheltieLover Jun 2022 #19
political boot in the butt ! get moving & stop the martini lunch's ? cloudboy07 Jun 2022 #21
Who Is This Adam Schiff Dude? SoCalDavidS Jun 2022 #22
Meanwhile, Joel Greenberg and Matt Gaetz... Grins Jun 2022 #23
Trump will not go on trial. The Wizard Jun 2022 #24
He's honest. Justice matters. Jun 2022 #26
I cannot believe some people here cannot see what Schiff was really saying in that interview. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #28
LOLOL. Grasswire2 Jun 2022 #31

gab13by13

(21,349 posts)
1. If it wasn't so serious it would be funney,
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 03:03 PM
Jun 2022

Adam Schiff wouldn't last 1 week here, the wait and see crowd would excommunicate him.

It's damn obvious who they are and aren't investiaging.

Maybe I missed someone, but it seems to me that DOJ is hands off politicians, former politicians, former cabinet members, former presidents.

The FBI should have knocked on Mark Meadows door months ago.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
10. the blame for that lies with a secret OLC memo from 1984
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 03:41 PM
Jun 2022

...written by Theodore Olsen and pulled out for this occasion, regarding privilege.

Once again, my question:

How do we people consent to be governed when secret memos are held and then released to over-rule the law itself?

That is governance by DECREE, by FIAT.

And that is un-American.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
29. So who appoints the head of the OLC, the President or the AG, and does the appointment sunset when
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 06:17 PM
Jun 2022

Administration sunsets? If the President (or the AG) appoints and the appointment expires at the wish of the incoming President or AG (i.e., sunsets), why would a Democratic Presidency accept a memo providing administrative guidance drawn up by not just ant Republican administration, but the Reagan administration no less?

Is the Biden Admin reviewing the legal opinion asserted in this memo, No. 1. And No. 2, should it apply in a context wherein there was a clear effort to subvert a legitimate national election and, in effect, conduct an insurrection -- an attempt to overthrow the legitimately elected President?

Anyone have insight and answers to these questions.

I hope the Biden Administration is not simply accepting existing legal guidance on face value without reviewing its applicability in light of the current context -- a clear effort to subvert and overthrow a Constitutionally elected President. I would think that under no circumstances, would evidence related to the need for an investigation or for the investigation itself would be protected by executive privilege. There is no higher need Constitutionally or for the nation's security than the need to get accountability for the insurrection this right. If this distinction cannot be made, then our democratic form of government and sanctity of our Constitution are screwed.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
30. excellent questions
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 07:27 PM
Jun 2022

Surely the AG has total control over the use of an old secret OLC memo brought forward for this unique moment -- investigation of a coup plotted and executed by a sitting and then ex president. Brought forward specifically to prevent a charged participant from prosecution.

I keep saying: governance by secret memo used to over-ride established law is governance by FIAT or DECREE.

Un-American.

Response to gab13by13 (Reply #1)

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
4. I Have Huge Respect For Mr Schiff
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 03:20 PM
Jun 2022

I believe he knows what he’s saying, and ain’t just blowing smoke up our asses.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
11. Adam Schiff saw no evidence Clark was being investigated until the FBI raided his fucking house.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 03:44 PM
Jun 2022

I didn't know Garland was supposed to tell Schiff everything he is doing or investigating.

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
12. Schiff needs to stop harping
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 03:49 PM
Jun 2022

on this since he has little to no knowledge of what DOJ is doing.

From all indications, they are working methodically from the bottom up.

Response to Deminpenn (Reply #12)

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
18. Let him harp all he wants.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 05:00 PM
Jun 2022

Not that he was really harping about it. He more or less just stated what he's seeing. I get that people are impatient, but I think the tweet in the OP is reading too much into Schiff's comments. It's good that he has little or no knowledge of what DOJ is doing. I just proves their independence from each other. As it should be. I'll also add that nobody saw those Proud Boys indictments coming, including Adam Schiff, I'm betting.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
27. Well, Schiff likely knows more than you or I do.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 05:38 PM
Jun 2022

And so I suggest you stop telling him to stop talking about it.

Your "indications" are likely less revelatory than Schiff's observations.

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
33. What's he accomplishing?
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 05:18 AM
Jun 2022

DoJ is obviously doing something by the continuing prosecutions of the Jan 6th rioters, the GJ supeonas, the search warrants that have become public along with DoJ's request to the committee for witness interview transcripts.

The committee keeps its own information close to the vest, too. Often when asked specific questions by reporters or in interviews, whichever committee member is being asked usually says they can't disclose anything. Yet DoJ, the agency that can actually bring charges and prosecute them, is supposed to say everything they're doing tipping off the perps in the process?

edhopper

(33,580 posts)
15. Hey Adam
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 04:04 PM
Jun 2022

stop with the negativity. You are a real Debbie Downer, Eeyore.

I guess those 6 years working for the U.S. Attorney taught you nothing about how the DOJ works.

There are a few here that can educate you.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
22. Who Is This Adam Schiff Dude?
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 05:20 PM
Jun 2022

And why doesn’t he understand how the “justice” system in America works?

Grins

(7,217 posts)
23. Meanwhile, Joel Greenberg and Matt Gaetz...
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 05:24 PM
Jun 2022

Joel Greenberg, a former close friend of Matt Gaetz's, pleaded GUILTY to six charges in May of LAST YEAR.

Last month he was granted another delay in sentencing as he continues to, supposedly, cooperate with authorities.

Are you effing kidding me? Cooperate on what after a damn year??? And Gaetz remains uncharged and unindicted.

This is a Jeffrey-Epstein-level of fuck-up.

Justice matters.

(6,929 posts)
26. He's honest.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 05:36 PM
Jun 2022

“I have yet to see any indication that the former President (Donald Trump) is under investigation..."

If the question was "Do you think Jeffrey Clark will turn on him if evidence shows criminal conspiracy with tfg?"

“I have yet to see any indication of that" and it would still be honest.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
28. I cannot believe some people here cannot see what Schiff was really saying in that interview.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 06:07 PM
Jun 2022

He admitted he is now SEEING MORE of a sense of urgency from the DOJ. He then said I am not SEEING anything about Trump. That statement does not mean Trump is not being investigated.

He admitted, at first I was not seeing a sense of urgency, now I am. He doesn't have any idea what the DOJ is doing, just like everyone else. He is using his position to pressure the DOJ. He wants them to move faster. He wants to make sure the public stays involved. He wants Trump charged.

He did not say, Trump is not being investigated. "I am not seeing" does not mean it is not happening.

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