BREAKING: California's State Assembly has passed a constitutional amendment enshrining abortion and

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Happening now: California's State Assembly discussing #SCA10 -- the constitutional amendment that would enshrine abortion & contraceptive rights into state's constitution. The Assembly is set to vote on this shortly.

https://assembly.ca.gov/media/chamber-

The amendment needs two-thirds support to pass the Assembly. If it passes, it then goes to California voters on the November ballot. #SCA10

BREAKING: California's State Assembly has passed a constitutional amendment enshrining abortion and contraception rights into the state's constitution. This will now go to voters on the November ballot. If passes, it will become law. #SCA10

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[SheltieLover]

1. Excellent! 👏👏👏👏

[Aristus]

3. Governor Inslee of Washington State is working on something similar here.

He's going to have a slightly harder time of it than California, since Washington is only blue west of the Cascades. East of the mountains is Trump country.

Congratulations to the people of California!

[mopinko]

4. get this on the ballot in every possible state.

this will bring out more voters than the weed referendums.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

11. There's a measure in AZ gathering signatures

They only have about 10 days though and they aren’t blanketing the Phoenix area. I’ll be looking for a place to sign next weekend. It seems to have been put together last month after the opinion leaked.

[David__77]

5. Getting it voted on in all states possible is a good idea.

And craft provisions accounting for state specific considerations.

[Mr.Bill]

6. I wouldn't count on the voters

being a slam dunk.

[Auggie]

12. In California? Done deal.

[Mr.Bill]

16. Not really. Keep in mind that

the Latino vote, which is huge, is mostly Catholic and very against abortion, and some even against contraception. Also keep in mind the anti abortion campaign against it will have unlimited funding. I think it has a chance of passing, but like I said, not a slam dunk.

[FreeState]

19. 84% of Californians support access to abortion care

It’s a done deal if it gets to the ballot.

[Mr.Bill]

22. I would have thought that that many Californians

would be in favor of gay marriage, too, but that failed at the ballot in 2008. Same ballot where we elected Obama.

[FreeState]

24. The polls for prop 8 were nowhere near 84%

Most were just over 50.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_8

[Mr.Bill]

25. What is the source of that 84% number?

[FreeState]

29. NARAL 2018 Report

https://www.prochoiceamerica.org/report/naral-california-poll-on-reproductive-rights-in-race-for-california-governor/

[Mr.Bill]

30. So an online poll of

2,300 people. 3,400 before they threw out the ones who weren't registered voters or didn't live in California.

[FreeState]

32. I'm not going to argue with you

There many polls That show support between 70-90% marriage was never that high.

Google will find those for you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. There has been a sea change in public opinion on marriage equality since 2008.

The most recent Gallup poll shows support at 71%.

[Stargleamer]

35. The California electorate's views were evolving in 2008 and later

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_California#Public_opinion. In 2017, 66% of Californians supported marriage equality.

[Mr.Bill]

38. You don't have to tell me about Caifornia voters evolving.

I've lived here since 1961.

What I think happened with Prop 8 was the amount of money that went into supporting it. (Mormon church money) I mean there were more yard signs, junk mail and TV commercials than I remember seeing for just about any other ballot initiative ever.

[NullTuples]

62. the Yes on 8 coalition ran a truly staggering disinformation campaign.

And they had lots of funding to plaster ads for something that really didn't directly affect most voters in any way.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

21. Only requires a majority of the voters here in CA.

That is a slam dunk in my estimation.

[Mr.Bill]

23. It will be a close vote,

and we take it for granted at our own peril.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

26. I'm taking nothing for granted

but I very much disagree about it being a close vote.

Even among conservative GOP voters here in CA there are many with small-government libertarian impulses who are against interference with abortion rights.

And among the large majority who are Democrats? Massive support.

No way this will be close.

[Hortensis]

40. When I was a really young CA voter -- way pre-internet days --

I learned in a college class that a very powerful man I'd never heard of, on the conservative/business side, was famous for saying he could get "anything" passed via ballot initiatives -- which allow citizens to bypass the professionals they elected to government and pass their own laws directly. "Power to the people!" Oh, yeah.

Of course, special interests use this process to trick people into making laws so extreme or dysfunctional that even Republican legislators wouldn't touch them, in the past anyway. California passed some real doozies while we were still there. Also things a legislative majority may want passed but don't want to own, but these days people can at least google to see what's being said about them.

[Mr.Bill]

43. I remember when we passed medical marijuana

our Attorney General at the time, Dan Lungren (R) said he refused to recognize the results of the election because "the voters were tricked"

That began the downslide of his state-wide political career. He was the last republican Attorney General in California and lost a race for governor.

[Hortensis]

47. :) Or GOP Gov. Pete Wilson and Prop 187 that also turned around

and ate him and the Republican Party after they deluded citizens into passing it by a large majority.

Speaking of finally managing to catch the bus by tricking the people,...Dobbs. I read that 1 out of 5 men has been involved in getting an abortion.

[Elessar Zappa]

37. Actually Latino Catholics aren't uniform on abortion.

I live in New Mexico and I guarantee you that a majority of Hispanics here support choice.

[Mr.Bill]

41. You are right that they aren't a solid voting block

on any one issue. Many politicians have found that out the hard way. Likewise with African American voters. I don't know the persentages, but it would be foolish to think they would all vote one way or another on this or any other issue.

[TwilightZone]

46. A majority of Latino voters support choice.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/poll-majority-latinos-battleground-states-support-abortion-rights-gun-rcna35069

https://morningconsult.com/opinions/republicans-think-they-can-court-hispanic-votes-with-their-position-on-abortion-but-data-tells-a-different-story/

https://www.latinainstitute.org/en/latinopoll

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. By a margin of 2-1 Hispanics say the Dobbs decision was a step backwards.

Question 4.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11sqgIPxDe-boYNS2yUgEfaax7-I--i1v/view

And most lay Catholics are pro-choice:

According to the new poll, 63% of Catholic adults say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, and 68% say Roe should be ...

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-us-supreme-court-religion-government-and-politics-a43a25ff7ffe1e340c26f985de7df95a

[Texaswitchy]

57. They have abortions.

The younger generation are not so church going.

One of neighbors daughter spoke Spanish and worked at PP.

A lot of young Latino women came for birth control and abortions.

[wryter2000]

60. If it's a simple majority vote

It's a done deal. You can take this to the bank.

[Colbert]

49. What abortion limits do the voters support?

Last December, Planned Parenthood put abortion support among likely voters at 62%; and that's enough to get the amendment passed. But how far along do they support unfettered abortion access:
- first trimester
- second trimester
- third trimester
- until the head of the fetus emerges
- until the umbilical cord is cut

Think about the political arguments the opposition is going to make based upon the text of the amendment, and how those arguments will be received:

SEC. 1.1. The state shall not deny or interfere with an individual’s reproductive freedom in their most intimate decisions, which includes their fundamental right to choose to have an abortion and their fundamental right to choose or refuse contraceptives. This section is intended to further the constitutional right to privacy guaranteed by Section 1, and the constitutional right to not be denied equal protection guaranteed by Section 7. Nothing herein narrows or limits the right to privacy or equal protection.

[Sympthsical]

28. I'll make a bold prediction

It will pass.

Then we'll get exit polls and demographics of who did and didn't vote for it.

Then we will fight about it.

A lot.

[Mr.Bill]

31. LOL.

[YoshidaYui]

7. This!

[Just A Box Of Rain]

8. This state constitutional amendment has passed both the CA Assembly and the CA Senate.

Now it is onto the ballot in November.

I'll be voting for it then. As will my teen-aged son who will have a historic opportunity in the first election in which he has the franchise.

The nationwide battle is only beginning.

[AntiFascist]

9. Yes! California is also now a sanctuary state for all women seeking abortion

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/06/24/in-response-to-supreme-court-decision-governor-newsom-signs-legislation-to-protect-women-and-providers-in-california-from-abortion-bans-by-other-states/

[ancianita]

10. The link is broken. Can't find any other news headlines, either. Just sayin'.

[TwilightZone]

13. Here's one:

https://www.kcra.com/article/california-voters-abortion-protections-state-constitution/40437448#

Link to the text: https://legiscan.com/CA/text/SCA10/2021

[ancianita]

56. Thank you.

[Totally Tunsie]

14. RI Governor Dan McKee today announced he will

follow MA Governor Charlie Baker in issuing an EO strengthening women's healthcare and reproductive rights in the state. He also signed a new budget which includes additional funding for women's health issues. Good day in RI.

[Hekate]

15. My state. Thank you. But I HATE that it has to go out to the voters like this...

The ban against gay marriage came in completely under my radar while at the same time we were electing the first black president of the US. To say I feel like doing this is a roll of the dice is an understatement.

[Mr.Bill]

17. I agree.

see my posts 6 and 16.

And you raise a good point about the gay marriage vote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_8

This state is more diverse than some think.

[xxqqqzme]

54. There is hope. Twice the

the rethuglicans have ballot qualified a measure that would make it illegal to terminate the pregnancy of a minor without a parents consent. Out of state money poured into rethug coffers each time.

It was soundly defeated both times

[barbtries]

18. homesick.

California still home, almost 15 years after moving to NC.

[cstanleytech]

20. Question. If its within the states Constitution what would happen if SCOTUS later on

goes even more extremist and declares it completely illegal?

[speak easy]

34. If say, SCOTUS declares that human life begins at conception

and a fetus has Constitutional rights, we are looking at the dissolution of the Union

[cstanleytech]

42. "a fetus has Constitutional rights" Ya but the Constitution clearly states

that a person has to be born to be a citizen and a fetus is no more a citizen than an unfertilized egg is.

[speak easy]

44. There are crazies pushing that proposition -

Abortion is Unconstitutional Because Unborn Children are “Persons” Under the 14th Amendment
https://www.lifenews.com/2021/07/30/abortion-is-unconstitutional-because-unborn-children-are-persons-under-the-14th-amendment/

[malthaussen]

58. Yup, everything turns on the definition of "person."

It's becoming clear that, in some minds, fetuses are, and women aren't.

Which raises a question: what if the fetus is female? (okay, okay, will eventually develop into a female)

-- Mal

[tishaLA]

27. Gov Newsom was running ads about defending reproductive rights

And my assemblyman, who's Latino in a heavily Latino district, has been very vocal about it, too.

[Mr.Bill]

33. That's good to hear. n/t

[SleeplessinSoCal]

36. Wow! That was fast!

Come on DC. Get cracking!

[Magoo48]

39. Once again, so glad I live here.

[SunSeeker]

45. I ❤ California

[xxqqqzme]

48. Cottie Petrie-Norris

is my assemblywoman.
I knew we could depend on her

[TeamProg]

51. K&R Thanks for posting. n/t

[Meowmee]

53. Good

But someone will likely challenge it and it will go sc where they will overturn it.

[CaptainTruth]

55. Something to note about SCOTUS & State Constitutions...

I'm no legal expert on these matters, but I do know there have been SCOTUS decisions where, when the issues at hand didn't contradict the Federal Constitution, SCOTUS ruled that the State Constitution prevailed.

I remember this specifically in cases challenging gerrymandering. There's nothing in the US Constitution that prevents it, so in some states lawsuits against partisan gerrymandering failed in SCOTUS, but in at least 1 case the gerrymandering violated the State Constitution so SCOTUS struck it down.

[gldstwmn]

59. Well done.

[AlexSFCA]

61. it will pass, 60% is not an issue for this.

Abortions rights have huge support in CA, probably among all demographics. I am sure will see some crazy opposition ads though from anti choice lunatics.

This issue is guaranteed to increase turnout to presidential election levels. This will be helpful for some house seats in particular.

[ffr]

63. Repeat after me. Democratic supermajority

Elect democrats. Do everything to elect democrats. Elect democrats as though your life depended on you casting your vote for democrats.

If you don't know who the democrats are in an election, WWW to your county democratic party. They will have a list of them, usually down to each ward.

[Oscarthegreat]

64. California dreaming

California native here. I've been hearing daily, for quite a while now, from people from all over the country how California is the only US state worth living in. I live in beautiful Carmel-by the Sea and I can only apologize for the high housing costs which would prevent many Red states refugees, particularly women, from moving out here from their s#*t hole states. You are in our hearts and minds.

[NullTuples]

65. Senator Toni G. Atkins is one of my all time favorite legislators/politicians.

When you see a bill that protects women, LGBTQ people, trans kids, and so on...it's likely her name is on it.