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Pence told Giebels: "I'm not getting in the car, Tim."
"I trust you, Tim, but you're not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I'm not getting in the car," he said.
The Pences went to a secure underground area to wait out the riot. At the White House, senior official Keith Kellogg reportedly discussed Pence with Tony Ornato, who "oversaw Secret Service movements."
Ornato told Kellogg that Pence's security detail was planning to move him to Joint Base Andrews but Kellogg told Ornato to leave Pence where he was because Pence was determined to stay and finish the job.
Through a spokesperson, Ornato told the book's authors that this conversation did not take place.
https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-refused-car-secret-service-capitol-riot-book-1610326
THe initial story was in the Leoning/Rucker book.
So who's the liar?
And I'd like to know the name of the agent who was driving the car they wanted Pence to get into.
agingdem
(7,849 posts)PortTack
(32,762 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)and do the same.
Meadowoak
(5,545 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)and considered an enabler of tfg by agents who wasn't on tfg's detail.
Meadowoak
(5,545 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)mchill
(1,018 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 29, 2022, 02:48 PM - Edit history (1)
Im getting slammed for putting little pieces like this together and had trouble remembering my sources.
PortTack
(32,762 posts)emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)EarlG
(21,947 posts)that they had testified to under oath. They knew it to be true, and they knew Ornato was lying.
Found it: Alyssa Farah testifying about the police clearing Lafayette Square in 2020, as reported by Jake Tapper.
Link to tweet
If Ornato wants to deny all this stuff he should get up there and do it under oath, not via secret sources and spokespeople.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)high up - in trump's 'secret police'?
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)End of story.
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I got an image of Meadows calling Pence from the car, and shutting the door in Cassidys face.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)It's what they do best...other than lying, that is.
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gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Sure, they won't testify under oath, preferring to have their pet reporters leak--I mean, speak for them. But is that so very wrong? Have they ever lied to us before?
erronis
(15,241 posts)Doesn't matter - can't convince those libs to become believers. Rapture us away!!!!
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)We all know some SS and some Caps were in on this.
Me.
(35,454 posts)no wonder Pence didn't want to get in the car
He was already aware of whose allegiance the guy was working under.
Cheezoholic
(2,019 posts)Engel was in the West Wing when the Pence shit was going down, he drove assholes car back from the rally.
Me.
(35,454 posts)and until we do both stories can be true
Cheezoholic
(2,019 posts)2:26 Pence was escorted into the garage. Also The president and the VP each have their own personal SS details that are always with them. Ornato oversaw general SS deployment AND Ornato and Engels were on oranges personal detail. Ornato doing double duty was a huge controversy when he got promoted to do both. Each executives personal details don't intermix.
Rough timeline, I'm driving or could post more
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56004916
Me.
(35,454 posts)who drove tfg an hour earlier
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216865950
mopinko
(70,090 posts)middle of a riot? they not only didnt move tfg to a secure location, they sent his driver to pence?
doesnt make sense.
Me.
(35,454 posts)czarjak
(11,269 posts)tanyev
(42,552 posts)Sounds like your remembery isnt working so good.
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,243 posts)From reading the above posts, Ornato apparently has a record of denying events that were witnessed by others & sworn to under oath. He sounds like he's an undercover trump operative.
Me.
(35,454 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Marcuse
(7,479 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)The SS serve the Office of the President. Ornato seemed to serve tRump, and not the office.
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,672 posts)Cause it seems like none of them should be working for anybody in the government ever again !
maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)Engel was still SS.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Ornato was moved to the admin by tfg
Me.
(35,454 posts)and yes the driver still works for the SS
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)It's not the first time he lied for tfg
Me.
(35,454 posts)2 big liars who area mirror reflection of each other
kentuck
(111,089 posts)Lie about everything, unless you are under oath. Then take the Fifth.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Sooner of later they have told so many to so many that it catches up with tham
kentuck
(111,089 posts)They got to travel and stay in the most expensive hotels, usually Trump's own, and they became accustomed to the special treatment. In return, they would lie for Mr Trump.
Me.
(35,454 posts)I believe you're right. Plus access to the biggest power source in the world. THough staying at Trump hotels may not be a plus. I understand they, from some, that they are shoddy and the food is substandard. They are always being charged with violations for their kitchen.