The Special Committee have Bobby Engel's testimony about what took place in The Beast on J6.

[speak easy]

Politico June 8, 2022

As then-President Donald Trump left a rally with his supporters on Jan. 6, 2021, he appears to have held out hope until the last minute — even as chaos unfolded — that he’d be able to join them at the Capitol.

Trump even raised the prospect privately with the head of his Secret Service detail at the time, Robert Engel, according to a person familiar with the agent’s congressional testimony. Engel rode with Trump in the presidential armored car called “The Beast” back to the White House after the Ellipse rally that preceded that day’s violent riot.

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump’s desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel’s testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.

The testimony shows just how much Trump wanted to be at the Capitol with his backers as Congress voted to certify his Electoral College loss to Joe Biden. And he expressed his desire to join the protesters even as violence was unfolding.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

Never ask a question you do not know the answer to. Liz Chaney is a better shot than Darth

[Cheezoholic]

1. Yep

And Fat Nixon's intentions were the point of that questioning, not the drama.

[brooklynite]

2. Nothing happened in "The Beast"

Trump was driven away in an SUV, not the Presidential limo.

[speak easy]

3. Yes. I know that.

So?

[brooklynite]

4. Take a look at your OP

[speak easy]

5. There are two modified Caddys ... one is a decoy.

The one the president is traveling in is 'The Beast'. As far as I am concerned ... any vehicle Trump travelled in was 'The Beast', Caddy or SUV, or golf cart.

[brooklynite]

6. He wasn't in a Cadillac; he was in a Chevy Suburban

[speak easy]

8. Do you think WH staff don't know the difference between a Caddy and an SUV?

I noticed Bobby Engel, who was the head of Mr. Trump's security detail, sitting in a chair, just looking somewhat discombobulated and a little lost.

I looked at Tony and he had said, did you f'ing hear what happened in the beast? I said, no, Tony, I — I just got back. What happened? Tony proceeded to tell me that when the president got in the beast, he was under the impression from Mr. Meadows that the off the record movement to the Capitol was still possible and likely to happen, but that Bobby had more information.

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/28/1108396692/jan-6-committee-hearing-transcript

[brooklynite]

11. Did you see the video?

Link to tweet

[speak easy]

12. Logically there are three possibilities

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1. Cassidy Hutchinson is lying; or
2. Tony Ornato didn't know Trump was traveling in the SUV; or
3. WH staff may refer to the SUV as the beast when president is traveling in it.

What is your best guess brooklynite?

[brooklynite]

14. I suspect the staff informally use the term "beast" for any vehicle the President is in.

But its not the official designation that AF1 is.

[speak easy]

19. so why have you spent time and effort asking me

if I know the difference between a limo an an suv?

[brooklynite]

20. I made a simple comment for accuracy...

It didn't require you to respond at all.

[speak easy]

22. 'Nothing happened in "The Beast"'

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is remarkably aggressive for 'a simple comment for accuracy' don't you think?

[sheshe2]

23. Ummm

Reuters:
Fact check: Any plane carrying the U.S. president is called ‘Air Force One’

Social media users have been sharing posts which assert that President Biden did not fly on Air Force One, as a plane he flew on looks different to the plane used by President Trump when he left the White House. Some users suggest this is evidence that Biden is not a legitimate president. This claim is false: although Biden is using a smaller Air Force plane, the term “Air Force One” refers to any U.S. Air Force aircraft used by the president. Trump and Obama both used this smaller plane on several occasions while president.

snip/

The two planes are different. But the White House website explains that, although today it is “standard practice” to use the term “Air Force One” to refer to one of two Boeing 747-200B series aircraft with the Air Force designation VC-25 that are customized to transport the President, “technically,” the term “’Air Force One’ is used to designate any Air Force aircraft carrying the President.” (here) .

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-air-force-one-biden/fact-check-any-plane-carrying-the-u-s-president-is-called-air-force-one-idUSKBN2AC27J

One can assume the same applies to cars carrying the President would be called the beast.

[EarlG]

13. He was in the SUV

And I know that the limo is specifically referred to as “the Beast”

*but*

…is it fair to speculate that WH staffers might regularly refer to any armored presidential vehicle that happens to be carrying the president as “the Beast”, as a shortcut?

Otherwise there would be a lot of conversations like this going on:

John: Where’s the president?

Jane: I heard he was out in the Beast.

Ted: Well actually Jane, he’s out in his up-armored Chevy Suburban SUV, not his GM limousine.

Jane: Oh STFU Ted, you know what I mean.

Just taking a guess that maybe something like that could have been the cause of the discrepancy.

Hutchinson’s testimony:

“I looked at Tony. And he had said, did you effing hear what happened in the Beast? I said, no, Tony. I just got back. What happened?”

She wasn’t calling it the Beast, she said he called it the Beast.

And anyway, the rest of the story about grabbing the wheel only makes sense if he was in the SUV (which he was), not the limo.

[Deminpenn]

24. Wonder if there's a continuation of that

video that caught what Hutchinson testified she was told happened? There are cameras everywhere.

[Captain Zero]

18. The more I read, Meadows appears to be in massive fear of trump

He will tell him what he wants to hear or won't tell him stuff leaving it for others. McCarthy is about the same way. No spine for Trump from him either.

[H2O Man]

7. Recommended.

[MyOwnPeace]

9. PERFECT spot for that wise point:

"Never ask a question you do not know the answer to."

You KNOW the Committee is 4 steps ahead of EVERY QUESTION they are asking at these public hearings. And the OTHER thing to realize - they are directing these lines of questioning towards those that are NOT willing to cooperate - sending 'signals' that say: "Hey, notice how we 'asked' this? You DO realize that we know what the answer will be - and how it does RELATE to some matter regarding YOU!"

There should be some serious "sweat balls rolling" down the brows of those who thought they were 'above the fray.'

It has indeed taken a while - but DAYUM! - they're gonna' get them!

[dalton99a]

10. Liz Cheney is not known to be stupid or naive

[Karma13612]

15. Makes sense.

That was the reason that Cheney made a point of asking Cassidy if either Engel or Tony denied at the time, or at a later time, that the story they told her was true.

I’ve heard that there is a rule of thumb for trial lawyers to follow:

Never ask a witness a question that you don’t already know the answer to.

She’s got her stuff together for sure.

[speak easy]

16. the worm on a hook has no idea

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that they are they bait until ...

[Karma13612]

17. Gotcha! Lol!

[JuJuChen]

21. Never ask a question you do not know the answer to.

isn't that the definition of a question?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

25. Video Appears to Show Trump Raging Against Agents Inside Suburban

https://politicaloasis.freeforums.net/thread/32230/cornering-brooklynite
https://www.politicususa.com/2022/06/30/trump-raging-suburban.html

Despite the fact that the most important testimony coming out of Cassidy Hutchinson’s hearing on Tuesday concerned Trump wanting to lead what he knew to be an armed mob to “fight like hell” on Capitol Hill to stop the certification of Joe Biden, there can be no argument that the emotional “gut punch” testimony concerned Trump’s alleged attack on the Secret Service agents, attempting to grab the steering wheel (He has a history of recklessly grabbing things), and lunging at the throat of an agent.

Now it appears that there may be video of Trump at least raging in the vehicle. From Newsweek:

The January 6 Committee has tweeted a video of Donald Trump’s presidential limo following testimony that he allegedly tried to grab the steering wheel to drive it to the Capitol Building.

In it, behind a group of Trump supporters, a person can be seen moving their hands frantically inside the Chevy Suburban limo. It is not clear whether the person is gesturing towards the driver or other people in the car.

Link to tweet

The MAGAs spent much of yesterday bragging that there was purportedly a statement by one of the agents that he wanted to testify that no such thing ever happened. However, too few knew of, or acknowledged, the Trump’s detail agent for the day, Robert Engel testified to the Committee on June 6th and there was almost no chance that the Committee would risk Hutchinson’s credibility on such inflammatory details without some sort of corroboration.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

26. Here is more video and some still pictures that support the story told to Cassidy

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[FakeNoose]

27. The rally was at the White House, on the East lawn I think

Why does Chump need to get into the car in order to return to the White House?
He's already there. This doesn't make sense.

The only reason he would get into the car would be to go somewhere else - like the Capitol for example. According to Cassidy, after Chump is in the car, the secret service agents tell him that he can't go because it's dangerous and off limits. Chump screams that he has to go because those are my people, they aren't going to hurt me. The only reason he would get in the car would be LEAVE the White House grounds.

Now the SS agents are disputing that, but their version doesn't make sense. I believe Cassidy because her version is the only one that sounds logical.