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AZLD4Candidate

(5,691 posts)
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 01:56 AM Jun 2022

Earlier this month, Utah Guv found solution to water crisis: Pray it away.

Utah governor asks residents to pray for rain to combat a severe drought
John L. Dorman
Jun 5, 2021, 8:48 PM
Utah Gov. Spencer Cox speaks during his monthly news conference in Salt Lake City.

Gov. Spencer Cox asked for Utahns to engage in a "weekend of prayer" to combat the state's drought.
"We need more rain, and we need it now," he said. "We need some divine intervention."
According to the National Drought Mitigation Center, the entire state is deemed "abnormally dry."

GOP Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah on Thursday asked state residents to engage in a "weekend of prayer" for rain amid a severe drought.

Cox's request came after he declared a state of emergency last month. The entire state is considered to be "abnormally dry," with 90.2 percent of Utah undergoing an "extreme drought" and 62.2 percent of the state experiencing an "exceptional drought," according to the National Drought Mitigation Center.

Under such conditions, there is an increased risk of fire danger and native vegetation is adversely impacted.

"By praying collaboratively and collectively, asking God or whatever higher power you believe in, for more rain, we may be able to escape the deadliest aspects of the continuing drought," he said in a video. "Please join me and Utahns, regardless of religious affiliation, in a weekend of humble prayer for rain."

https://www.businessinsider.com/utah-governor-pray-for-rain-severe-drought-2021-6


Of course there's that too. Nothing worthwhile, just pray.

Does this party have any thing on the shelf?
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Earlier this month, Utah Guv found solution to water crisis: Pray it away. (Original Post) AZLD4Candidate Jun 2022 OP
Why the hell is desalination not going on jimfields33 Jun 2022 #1
Pumping desalinated ocean water hundreds of miles... hunter Jun 2022 #9
So you're blaming California for Utah's problems? Kingofalldems Jun 2022 #16
Where are the oceans? jimfields33 Jun 2022 #18
Ohh, he's late, we did that here in GA when there was a severe months long drought tulipsandroses Jun 2022 #2
Pray for this year's Atlantic hurricanes to hit Utah instead. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2022 #3
Well, eventually prayer will work ... VMA131Marine Jun 2022 #4
I'd be willing to bet that members of LDS Church and others who pray Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #5
Do you really expect that from Republicans or their voters? AZLD4Candidate Jun 2022 #6
I saw Rusty Bowers--an LDS Republican and one who supports Trump-- Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #7
John Oliver discussed this Governor LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2022 #8
Au contraire! gratuitous Jun 2022 #24
So are these guys going to take up rain-dancing? Vogon_Glory Jun 2022 #10
on a different hobby board onethatcares Jun 2022 #11
The party of personal responsibility wants to take no responsibility for climate change Victor_c3 Jun 2022 #12
When Repugs finally see that prayer does not produce rain, we can expect NCjack Jun 2022 #13
dig a huge canal from the Pacific ocean downhill into the Imperial Valley, Salton Trough, and AZLD4Candidate Jun 2022 #14
If there's no rain, there must be heretics and witches about. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2022 #15
DEMs did it. NCjack Jun 2022 #27
Or, as a winger would display at a bleached, dry reservoir, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2022 #28
It's not just "no rain." Brenda Jun 2022 #17
Hello there newdayneeded Jun 2022 #19
Hello Brenda Jun 2022 #20
I seem to remember our former dumbass brownback guv doing something similar demtenjeep Jun 2022 #21
You'd think God kwolf68 Jun 2022 #22
It can't hurt sarisataka Jun 2022 #23
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeres Spencer! Lil Liberal Laura Jun 2022 #25
God doesn't stop CO2 emissions. roamer65 Jun 2022 #26

jimfields33

(15,807 posts)
1. Why the hell is desalination not going on
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 02:00 AM
Jun 2022

Ok so it’s expensive. California has 100 billion ready to spend. Do it!!!! Sell it to other states. I’m not saying praying is bad, but these states have done nothing else.

hunter

(38,313 posts)
9. Pumping desalinated ocean water hundreds of miles...
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 06:01 AM
Jun 2022

... and over 4,000 feet uphill to Salt Lake City would be very, very expensive.

Even near the coasts desalinated water is too expensive for conventional farming.

What will inevitably happen, one way or another, is that water will be taken from farmers to keep the cities alive. Eventually exterior landscape irrigation will be banned and sewage will be recycled back into tap water.

Some people react to hopeless situations with prayer. Some people regard farming as a sacred endeavor. Some politicians are beholden to the agricultural industry and religion... these people pray.

I don't see farming as anything special. In other industries people frequently lose their jobs and are forced to move or find other work when their industries become moribund. Many employees are forced to move at the whims of their corporate masters.

If farmers in these drought stricken regions want to continue farming they'll have to move to places where there is still plenty of water.

If this migration is managed correctly nobody is going to starve. Land that's currently used to grow feed for the factory farm meat and dairy industry can grow food for people directly. Fast food places can sell meatless burgers. And land that's now used to produce environmentally destructive biofuels can grow food as well.

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
2. Ohh, he's late, we did that here in GA when there was a severe months long drought
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 02:02 AM
Jun 2022

Prayer for rain On Govt property.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,180 posts)
3. Pray for this year's Atlantic hurricanes to hit Utah instead.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 02:10 AM
Jun 2022

Yeah, that's the ticket. Kill two birds with one stone.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
5. I'd be willing to bet that members of LDS Church and others who pray
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 02:30 AM
Jun 2022

for rain and divine help to relieve the most deadly aspects of this drought become all-the-more aware of what a serious problem we are all facing in Utah and the west as they engage in such prayers.

I'm in Los Angeles. Things are serious. Getting through this will take serious conservation efforts.

Serious efforts require consciousness-raising and an acknowledgement that we've got a problem that requires changes in behaviors.

If some folks get to that place via prayer that presents no problem to this life-long secularist.



 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
7. I saw Rusty Bowers--an LDS Republican and one who supports Trump--
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 02:57 AM
Jun 2022

refuse to act illegally or to defile the Constitution based in part of his concept of his relationship with God.

Why would one expect something different with water and drought?

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
24. Au contraire!
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:11 AM
Jun 2022

Prayer is working every bit as well to solve the drought as it does in preventing mass shootings. You can't argue with results!

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
10. So are these guys going to take up rain-dancing?
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 06:27 AM
Jun 2022

I’m sorry, but I’m imagining these Pharisees doing some massive cultural appropriation from certain Pueblo nations and start rain-dancing.

While I’m certain that the cardio would be good for them, I’m not sure it will work.

Plus some of the other Holy Joes will start shrieking about Satan blah-blah-blah.

onethatcares

(16,168 posts)
11. on a different hobby board
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:46 AM
Jun 2022

the idea of creating a large reservoir to trap the flood waters from the upper Mississippi and Missouri Rivers and build a pipeline across the United but divided States was brought up.

The thoughts were, screw the environmentalists and just let the engineers do it.

No one wanted to pay the taxes needed to fund such a project cause after all we gave the Ukraine 40 billion dollars and that should about cover the cost of said pipeline.

Eminent domain problems were not discussed either.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
12. The party of personal responsibility wants to take no responsibility for climate change
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:58 AM
Jun 2022

Rather than confront the drought with actions that we can control, like water use restrictions and building codes that require the use of water-efficient appliances, just keep doing what we’re doing and hope for the best. If things don’t go your way, it’s obviously god’s will.

Perhaps god is punishing Utah for tolerating the gays??

Nothing says “divine retribution” to me like a good smiting, plague, or drought.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
13. When Repugs finally see that prayer does not produce rain, we can expect
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:58 AM
Jun 2022

some innovative proposals, some which a MAGAt president might pursue.

For example, exploding atomic bombs off the West Coast.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,691 posts)
14. dig a huge canal from the Pacific ocean downhill into the Imperial Valley, Salton Trough, and
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:08 AM
Jun 2022

San Joaquin, funnel it all into areas below sea level and build massive lakes. . .then pray for Jesus to turn salt water into freshwater. . .

Also, make sure all those canals go through some of the poorest areas you can find.

After that, take over Sonora, Mexico and dig a deep hole between the Sea of Cortez to Yuma. . .repeat the praying.

I mean, what else can Republicans do? Nationalize the water pipes and pipe in water from water heavy floodplains and wetlands like the gulf coast into areas of drought like the Central Arizona Project. . .subsidize CA to turn to De-sal plants, an rework the 1922 Colorado Protocol?

No. . .that would be sensible and a long term infrastructure project that would create long term, well paying jobs nationwide.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,340 posts)
15. If there's no rain, there must be heretics and witches about.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:06 AM
Jun 2022

Surely, we can find a solution ... maybe an inquisition would help.

Brenda

(1,055 posts)
17. It's not just "no rain."
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:30 AM
Jun 2022

They allowed unrestricted growth of population and agriculture which has sucked up 2/3rds of the Great Salt Lake.

This is not going away with rain. They are in a Mega Drought. Not really new. People just now waking up to this are in for a world of hurt.

The mass migrations from the West will begin sooner than they predicted.

newdayneeded

(1,955 posts)
19. Hello there
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:03 AM
Jun 2022

I agree with you. I posted about this a few months ago, Hoover dam is already at 60% because of low water. Lake Mead is gonna keep dropping for many months.

Also, 40+ years is no longer a drought.....it's your new climate!

Brenda

(1,055 posts)
20. Hello
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:58 AM
Jun 2022

I guess it's really not a surprise that so many people, even liberals/Democrats, are completely unaware or unconcerned about how serious the effects of global warming are right now. The news barely mentions the multiple disasters that are happening and if they do they make it look like an isolated incident or not as important as other political topics. And they never have a climatologist explain how globally these things are connected.

In recent years major cities around the world have already experienced turning on the faucet and no water coming out yet Americans keep denying it will ever happen (unless it's a result of direct hurricane hit or something similar). They don't seem to understand the long difficult trip water takes from the ground or from storage before it gets to your sink.

Of course there could just be a lot of people who understand this is an existential threat and it's a runaway train at this point but they've decided to ignore it for mental health reasons or have just become fatalistic about the whole thing.

But there are some people, even here, who say it's alarmist to point out these things.

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
22. You'd think God
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:02 AM
Jun 2022

the almighty would be privy to the current drought state and send rain without being demanded to do so.

The more I hear from religious people the further from religion I go.

sarisataka

(18,655 posts)
23. It can't hurt
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:05 AM
Jun 2022

Also perhaps ask the Native People if they would do a rain dance.

In conjunction I would suggest creating a comprehensive water management program using worst-case projections. It has been said God/ the Great Spirit/ Cosmic Force/ reality favors those who help themselves.

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