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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust when you thought you could never imagine anything worse....
Your imagination gets shot all to hell.
Was this guy actually going to go down to the Capitol and join the mob in celebration of him becoming dictator of America? It appears that may have been the case. Like a Third-World strongman, he was going to stand behind the podium of the people's House and wave a sword in the air like a tin-horn dictator.
Did he actually take the fine china at the White House and fling it against the wall like monkey at the zoo flinging its poop? It appears likely that it happened. And more than once.
Did you ever imagine that?
We will all need to expand our imaginations before this is over.
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,999 posts)Native
(5,942 posts)Claustrum
(4,845 posts)He would definitely go down for a photo-op (remember the photo op holding a bible by gasing people to clear the path for him?). I know he would run before the violence starts but he definitely wanted a picture with those people behind him.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)my impression of him as a craven coward.
brush
(53,778 posts)himself to the front to take credit.
Irish_Dem
(47,101 posts)Kidnapped or worse.
Then he would proclaim himself as king of the world.
usonian
(9,809 posts)Time will tell if the appearance was part of a script or not.
There is some insight here: (Bloomberg access may vary)
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-06-28/jan-6-hearings-show-trump-final-scene-wasn-t-according-to-script
Trumps Final Scene Didnt Go According to Script
The former president saw himself as the executive producer of his own presidency, and he wanted to make a more heroic exit.
Timothy L. O'Brien
June 28, 2022
Once upon a time, long before Donald Trump began fabricating narratives about his prowess and personal history, he wanted to be a movie producer. He admired old-school Hollywood producers such as Darryl F. Zanuck and Cecil B. DeMille, and considered attending film school at the University of Southern California.
Trumps father marched him into the family real estate business instead. But Trump never lost his fascination with showmanship or his fixation with occupying center stage. What he decided to do, he later told me, was to put show business into real estate.
So it was not surprising that Trump would be attracted to the presidency, or that when he actually won it he would try to inject Hollywood into the White House. And when he was kicked off that stage in November 2020, he was so wounded and power-mad that he invented a new narrative: Electoral fraud had deprived him of his victory, and he was entitled to respond by launching a coup.
So lets go inside the presidential limousine on the afternoon of Jan. 6, 2021, hours before Congress was scheduled to certify the election results. We can seat ourselves next to Trump thanks to Cassidy Hutchinson, a White House aide, who recounted what happened in the limo during the fifth day of testimony overseen by the bipartisan congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the US Capitol.
Trump had just told the mob that he would march with them to the Capitol to protest the certification of the election. He knew things could get ugly; he and his aides had been warned of impending violence days before. The morning of the siege, Trump was informed that many in the crowd were carrying weapons, which had been detected and confiscated. (This upset Trump: Theyre not here to hurt me, he said, ordering the magnetometers around the Ellipse removed. Let my people in. They can march to the Capitol.)
Sitting in his limo after his speech, Trump directed the Secret Service to take him to the Capitol. The agents refused, citing security concerns thereby intruding on the theatrics Trump had so carefully engineered. Im the f-ing president, take me up to the Capitol now, he insisted. They refused. He flew into a rage, trying to grab the steering wheel and lunging at the throat of one agent who stopped him. (On Tuesday evening the Secret Service pushed back on Hutchinsons account, saying that Trump was angry agents wouldnt take him to the Capitol but that he didnt try to grab the steering wheel or lunge at an agent.)
Trump eventually returned to the White House, where he gloated over threats to former Vice President Mike Pence and took his time telling rioters sacking the Capitol to stand down.
Trump has a long history of exploding when he doesnt get his way, as unhinged narcissists are wont to do. But Tuesdays hearing put that behavior on national television. Hutchinsons testimony also exposed Trump as acting like a mob boss. Aides without legal or moral rudders acquiesced; others asked him to observe the law, which he repeatedly declined to do.
Some law-abiding rationalists in his administration tried to make the perils of what Trump was doing plain to him. Still, he plowed ahead. Hutchinson said Trumps former White House Counsel, Pat Cipollone, told the former president that were going to be charged with every crime imaginable including obstructing justice and defrauding the Electoral Count Act but Trump wanted to have things his way.
He still does. Representative Liz Cheney, one of the Republicans overseeing the committees work, presented evidence that Trump or his minions have apparently tried to intimidate witnesses asked to testify before the committee. She offered statements from a pair of them at the end of Tuesdays hearing.
Each of the committees hearings has brought the possibility of criminal charges closer and closer to Trump. Tuesdays hearing was especially damning: He knew exactly what he was doing and did it anyway.
But its unlikely that those are the things that bother him the most about what went awry with his unsuccessful coup. What really gets to him, I suspect, is that he didnt get to stage his show exactly the way he planned.
Trump and I watched Sunset Boulevard on his jet together nearly 20 years ago. Gloria Swanson plays the silent film star Norma Desmond, bemoaning the arrival of the talkies and her subsequent loss of stature. In one of the films iconic scenes, she says: Those idiot producers. Those imbeciles! Havent they got any eyes? Have they forgotten what a star looks like? Ill show them. Ill be up there again, so help me!
At that moment, Trump leaned over my shoulder. Is this an incredible scene or what? he whispered. Just incredible.
Trump doesnt want anyone questioning his star power or impeding his storylines. Like Norma Desmond, he plans to show any doubters what hes made of. Hell be up there in the White House again, so help him.
The question is whether the law or, as the case may be, a congressional committee will stand in his way.
COOK HIS GOOSE (TURKEY) FOLKS, and all the little giblets in and around him.
GOTV https://democraticunderground.com/100216868660 GOTV
I will shorten if this pushes DU rules. Kindly advise before alerting if so.
dmr
(28,347 posts)It was very interesting.
usonian
(9,809 posts)dmr
(28,347 posts)usonian
(9,809 posts)MineralMan posted a goose here.
https://democraticunderground.com/100216863627
Props to MineralMan!!
BlueCheeseAgain
(1,654 posts)Then at least some of his deluded followers would realize that yes, in fact, he was behind the whole thing.
usonian
(9,809 posts)LeftinOH
(5,354 posts)and, with cameras rolling, declare "victory." Then there would be mass arrests of all high-level Dem politicians, of Hillary, the Obamas, Hollywood celebrities, etc.