Sinema, after all this, still opposes ending the filibuster

[greenman3610]

Can we agree now that the "Green Party" was a right wing op from the beginning?

[demmiblue]

1. No. n/t

[Demsrule86]

18. It takes money from GOP undermines Democratic candidate purposely help GOP win...oh

yes...they are Righties...and since they helped elect both Bush 11 and Trump...they should change their name...clearly, they don' give a damn about the internet.

[TwilightZone]

2. She hasn't been in the Green Party for nearly 20 years.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. It's pretty clear that she is decidedly more moderate now.

[Demsrule86]

19. Once a green always a green. She was not a Democrat and likely only joined so she could

run for something. I am glad we have her of course as we need a majority but depending on circumstances, we maybe need to consider a primary. I hesitate because incumbent Senators have an advantage and we want the seat.

[Torchlight]

3. Was she this 'peculiar' when she was running for office?

I see her and get a real "look upon my hipness and fly manners, ye Mighty and despair!", but was she this unique when she ran?

I really don't follow the out of state races or politicians until they're seated, and I'm wondering if her voter base knew how colorful she is when they voted her in.

[ChazII]

13. She said the she was running to

represent all Arizona both red and blue. I don't think the base knew how far she would lean or how colorful she would be when she got to D.C. I know that I am only speaking for myself.

[Torchlight]

15. Thank you.

As I said, she never showed up on my radar until after being seated (I have a blind spot to all statewide elections except mine). Curious person she is indeed.

[dalton99a]

4. "Fuck Off," said the hedonistic, narcissistic piece of shit

[LiberalFighter]

5. Narcissist?

[KarenS]

6. Sinema is the Democrat's version of Trump.

She's in it to win it for herself.

[Turbineguy]

7. It would be nice

if she and Manchin could use their position for good rather than help the republicans screw things up. Not everything, not all the time, just this once.

[Demsrule86]

20. Manchin has a reason...he has to get reelected in red WVA...Sinema does not. We will never do

better than Manchin in WVA and when he is gone the seat will be filled with a Republican.

[progressoid]

8. "the "Green Party" was a right wing op from the beginning"?

Huh?

[demmiblue]

9. I know, right?!

[Demsrule86]

22. You don't think what they did in 16 helping Trump get elected wasn't right wing?

Also, they took money from the GOP to put up candidates who would make Democrats lose...they suck on all levels...fuck the Greens.

[progressoid]

28. The Green party started in 1990.

The statement was "the "Green Party" was a right wing op from the beginning".

I'm not a Green party member but I think it's highly unlikely that they have been a RW op for 32 years.

[Demsrule86]

31. It was...in terms of outcome...took money from the GOP and always hated the Democrats.

In 2000 and 2016, they cost us the presidential election and they have cost us other elections as well...state and national...scum, and nothing green about them other than the dollars they get from Russia and from the GOP.

[Voltaire2]

10. How is the Democratic Party not equally tainted?

If ‘Sinema was a Green’ implies the Green Party is a rightwing front then ‘Sinema is a Democrat’ implies the Democratic Party is a rightwing front.

Maybe try ‘can we agree Sinema is a rightwing agent’?

[Demsrule86]

23. No it does not. She changed her party. And the Green Party is a Rightwing front...one has

nothing to do with the other...I well recall Stein sitting with Mike Flynn and Putin at a dinner in Russian...no doubt the Greens were funded by Russia in 16 for helping destroy Hillary.

[maxsolomon]

11. Ending it now means the GQP will be able to enact THEIR agenda

if/when (when) they next hold the Senate. There is some logic to her position.

Their agenda is regressive and punitive.

[Aepps22]

12. No Guarantee

No guarantee that the GOP doesn't get rid of it the next time they get the Senate and the Presidency no matter what happens if they want to pass a nationwide abortion ban. The GOP has proven that they are willing to throw away norms to retain power. What Mitch did to Obama was not normal, what he did right after RBG passed away wasn't normal and what this court did was not normal. We are not dealing with honest brokers anymore. The sooner our side wakes up to this reality the better.

[maxsolomon]

14. You're not wrong.

But Joesten Manchinema don't see it that way, and I'd wager there are a few other Dem Senators who do too. They believe the center will hold - in the form of the general Filibuster (which is already gone for Judicial nominees).

I believe we're seeing a "return to normal" for the SCOTUS - it has always been an institution that hampered Progress in America. The Burger Court is the anomaly.

Sorry to be a cynic; I'm not enjoying this era at all.

[Aepps22]

16. I agree

I agree with everything you're saying. I don't think you're being a cynic. People like Manchinema are the worst because they are the first ones tweeting and talking to reporters after events like Dobbs but don't want to lift a finger to do anything about it.

[Demsrule86]

24. They will end it anyway...and we need to get stuff done...Governing is not for the weak.

[maxsolomon]

27. Based on personal observation, Governing is for the cautious.

I don't see any indication the GQP would end the filibuster in the Senate if they re-take it in November.

Under Biden, why would they bother? They can't override a veto.

In 2025, under DeSantis, maybe.

[Demsrule86]

32. When they win the presidency next time, they will so we should get what we can...if we accomplish

nothing, we are likely to lose in 24. I believe we will add Senators and House members in 22.

[BigDemVoter]

17. She deserves to be permanently ignored. She has nothing of value to say or add.

She should shut her fucking pie hole.

[Zeitghost]

21. Good

It is an important tool in reigning in future Republican controlled Senates.

Every tool we use to shape policy can and will eventually be used against us. Don't be shortsighted.

[Demsrule86]

25. The GOP will change it when they need to...so that argument is incorrect.

[Zeitghost]

29. They have had the chance

And didn't do it. They know its power, especially to a party more likely to be in the minority. They will not remove the filibuster. The GOP is many things, but as their 50 year war on abortion has shown, they tend to be good at the long game.

[Demsrule86]

30. Right... they will now.

[Mr.Bill]

33. They already control the Supreme Court.

If they ever control the Presidency and both houses of Congress, the filibuster will be gone in a heartbeat and in six months you won't even recognize this country. I wouldn't put it past them to leave legalizing slavery up to the states.

[Zeitghost]

34. They had all three not all that long ago

n/t

[Mr.Bill]

35. That was then, this is now.

They also didn't reverse Roe v Wade then, either. They have an agenda now.

[AntivaxHunters]

37. Ending the filibuster is shortsighted?

Tell it to all the woman who have lost their human rights.

[Zeitghost]

38. Absolutely

It's a check on future Republican controlled Senates. Or did you want to make it easier for them to strip people of their rights?

[AntivaxHunters]

41. Highly disagree

Republicans are going to do this you do realize that, yes?
My rights as a woman have already been stripped.
The time to fight is now. Republicans aren't going to play nice now or in the future. It's time to realize that that. They will 100% do away with the filibuster given the chance and not think twice.

[Bucky]

40. Cause NO WAY Republicans will get rid of the filibuster the second it suits their interests

Sorry, but the filibuster is as dead as compromise in the Congress the second you have the next Republican majority.

[Emile]

26. She ran as a conservative democrat! This should

not surprise anyone when she sides with Joe Manchin. She is not anywhere close to being a green!

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2021/09/30/what-democrats-misunderstand-about-sen-kyrsten-sinema/5936033001/

[AntivaxHunters]

36. No.

She's just an opportunistic selfish a-hole and nothing more.
It's all about her and ONLY Her and she'll use any means necessary & use anyone she can as a springboard.

[Bucky]

39. Hey, those billionaire superpac dollars ain't gonna raise themselves

I don't know for a fact that she's getting dollars to be this obstructionist (rather than just having no functional understanding of how to look after the public interest). I can only tell you that being bought off by secret donors is the most plausible explanation of why she's throwing her career away and keeping her own party's president from getting any work done.

[krawhitham]

42. Ending the filibuster will backfire horribly

There is a reason Mitch did not kill it during trump's 1st two years. But you can bet your sweet ass the GQP will go full scorched earth the 1st time they are back in control

Every single thing we pass will be overturned in the 1st week, and they will not stop until we are back in the middle ages

GQP has had a unified government 4 times since 2000, Dems twice