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(35,454 posts)867-5309.
(1,189 posts)when did he introduce it, not they announce all bills usually
KPN
(15,650 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)By Sen. Whitehouse with s single sponsor of Rep Khanna
lapucelle
(18,337 posts)A Senate version is currently in committee.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4217
This bill is a Senate version of Kim Schrier's House bill, H.R.7688 - Consumer Fuel Price Gouging Prevention Act. That's the bill that passed the House in May. While there were 16 co-sponsors, Ro Khanna was not among them.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7688/cosponsors?pageSort=alpha
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,567 posts)The best way to get legislation passed is to write such legislation and get introduced in Congress
questionseverything
(9,660 posts)Psssstttt
Bernie & senator whitehouse are on the same side
Its not an either/or situation
Response to Me. (Reply #4)
lapucelle This message was self-deleted by its author.
Washington, D.C. Economists and environmental groups are expressing support for the Big Oil Windfall Profits Tax Act, legislation introduced by U.S. Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) earlier this month to curb profiteering by oil companies and provide Americans guaranteed relief from soaring prices at the gas pump
THe lone sponsor...We applaud Senator Whitehouse and Representative Khanna for their leadership in putting a stop to Big Oils profiteering at the expense of ordinary Americans.
https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/release/as-oil-companies-rake-in-cash-economists-and-environmental-groups-endorse-whitehouses-windfall-profits-tax
lapucelle
(18,337 posts)Sanders was neither a sponsor nor a co-sponsor of that bill.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4217/committees
The Senate version failed to make it out of Senate Commerce Committee. Joe Manchin doesn't sit on that committee, but Krysten Sinema does. She voted to advance the bill.
Currently hearings are being held on the bill in the Senate Banking Committee.
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Neither did Sanders write or co-sponsor a similar anti-price gouging bill that was introduced in March. `
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/3920/cosponsors
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Maybe political influencers on twitter should start hectoring the Democrats who actually write and introduce the bills to do a better job.
Nixie
(16,979 posts)about who wrote the bill(s) Sanders is taking credit for. Your links show the facts. And thanks to others for illustrating the other misrepresentations about his tweet.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,435 posts)Republicons voted against it, obviously. Manchin (D?-WV) hasn't said he'd vote for it.
I wish people would redirect their ire away from those in the Democratic Caucus who work FOR the poeple and aim it at those who are supposed to be on our side but work against us.
LoisB
(7,234 posts)KPN
(15,650 posts)iemanja
(53,072 posts)and the difference has to do with taxes. Bernie knows that.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,435 posts)In other places, the high gas prices go in part toward public transport, building and maintaining highways etc. Here, it's just going into the pockets of greedy oil corporations.
That's why we need the windfall profit tax, not a tax "holiday" or other useless gimmick.
panader0
(25,816 posts)I believe it's about $.18 per gallon, and there are many, many people who will see that the price
is down and be more likely to vote D. Don't let it expire before the vote in November. Lots of voters
aren't too bright and this gimmick could be useful to get votes.
Of course we need to tax the Big Oil asses more.
iemanja
(53,072 posts)for themselves rather than pass it on to the consumer.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,435 posts)but here's why I think the gas tax thing won't work. Gas is anywhere from $4.50-7.00/ gallon. The problem isn't the eighteen cents, it's the remaining $4.32-6.82/ gallon. It could be cancelled entirely and gas would still be an enormously expensive problem for many people. As well as the effect of adding to shipping costs.
Gas here went from 4.69 a couple weeks ago to 4.39 today. That's more than what a tax elimination would do. And gas is still more than expensive enough to make people susceptible to corporate media's blaming Biden. Then there's the fact that oil companies would either not lower the price, or would lower it then over a couple weeks raise it back up and line their pockets with an extra eighteen cents profit. They can do that, since there are only a few oil companies in the oligopoly. No one credited Biden or anyone else with the thirty-cent reduction. They're still blaming Biden for the high price. That's not likely to change.
If the gas tax is suspended, we'll have to tax something else to make up for the revenue we need for highway maintenance anyway.
The only thing we can do is the windfall profit tax. That would either get them to drop the price since they wouldn't keep the profit or the federal treasury would get a huge windfall. We could use that to pay down the national debt.
panader0
(25,816 posts)He says he's not going explicitly to ask for more pumping, but I'm sure the subject will come up.
The average American voter is too uninformed to know that the POTUS does not control the price of oil.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,435 posts)just for the fact that an American President is giving them a visit. Mr Bonesaw and the rest of the Saudis are America's enemy, as well as being religious fanatics. I don't like that we have to have anything at all to do with them.
Should Democrats ever have sufficient government control, I'd like to see a lot more environmental laws, including a permanent ban on export of US oil.
KPN
(15,650 posts)if not more, due in part to higher taxes doesn't negate the price gouging.
TheFarseer
(9,326 posts)Sean Hannity is not blaming high gas prices on tax gouging this time around.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)It's a moving target, isn't it. They start with the conclusion (it's Biden's fault) and then reverse engineer a narrative to prove their point.
It's a GQP trick as old as tricks themselves.
Evolve Dammit
(16,773 posts)KPN
(15,650 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,773 posts)just enough humor to keep your head from exploding!
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)are not the result of "greed" on the part of oil companies but are rather due to the high tax rates that such states use to both fund their generous social programs and to disincentivize the use of fossil fuels in conjunction with international shortages (in part due to sanctions and Putin's genocidal war on Ukraine) and high demand.
This is Bernie being Bernie.
KPN
(15,650 posts)dollars more per gallon in other countries do not include a fair measure of gouging. Corporations gouge to the extent they can -- everywhere.
samnsara
(17,636 posts)..and he said 'naaaaaaa.. theres a war on'. THEY GET IT. Its NOT a Joe Biden thing..and maybe some of its gouging but other countries are mostly blaming the conflict with Russia..as they should! Lets get the prices down world wide...
KPN
(15,650 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Here are some gas tax rates converted to US dollars per gallon.
UK $3.47 tax per gallon
Netherlands $3.35 tax per gallon
Italy $3.18 tax per gallon
Germany $2.86 tax per gallon
France $2.73 tax per gallon
US (national) $0.19
I hope this data helps you reach a more informed opinion.
More here: https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10327
FoxNewsSucks
(10,435 posts)taxes haven't gone up. Profits have. That's what gouging is.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)If they jump from 2% to 6% (the latter being the last estimate I've seen of current estimates) that is a "tripiling" of profits in a technical sense, but harley "gouging."
If Sanders (et al) are going to make charges about profettering, it is incumbent on him/them to provide the evidence.
Don't you agree?
FoxNewsSucks
(10,435 posts)Remember, that's after paying exhorbitant salaries and bonuses to CEOs and executives, so if that's a bad year, I still have no sympathy for them. No industry that is in a position to monopolize should be allowed to make ridiculous profits.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)and in recent months (since Putin invaded Ukraine) and then people can judge whether or not there have been "windfall profits."
Where is the evidence of these "ridiculous profits?"
Oil is a notoriously boom-and-bust industry and is one that's had a bad run in terms of profitability over the past decade.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,435 posts)to the tune of billions every year, on top of the profits they make. They pay zero income tax.
There is no reason for anyone to have sympathy from them and it's a waste of time defending any rapacious greedy industry.
"privatize the profit, socialize the loss", that's how they operate and it is wrong.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)It is incumbent on those who suggest imposing a windfall profits tax to demonstrate that the oil companies have indeed made windfall profits that are out of line with reasonable expectations in a notoriously boom-and-bust industry.
questionseverything
(9,660 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)I do think it would be a responsible act on the part of politicians who are calling for a windfall profits tax to show the evidence that there is indeed a windfall before they start making accusations of "greed."
Where is the evidence?
Economic analysis and evidence of excessive "windfalls" isn't too much to ask for IMO.
Wouldn't you agree?
KS Toronado
(17,327 posts)that money will go into the Government's bank account not our pockets, the ones getting ripped off.
How about an Executive Order ... no overseas oil sales until inflation or Ukraine/Russia is under control?
How about a "Reverse Tariff"? Say $10 for every gallon of gas big oil sells overseas, $100 for barrel of oil?
Make oil & gas un-affordable to other countries.
Gas pump prices is the only issue that will hurt us in the midterms, we need to get them under control,
and the sooner the better.
KPN
(15,650 posts)suggest is or has been looked at, together with a convincing explanation for why it may not have been possible.
What are we actually doing other than the gas tax holiday which is quite insignificant as far as Americans' pocketbooks.
KS Toronado
(17,327 posts)When paying at the pump, people aren't going to think "WOW I just saved .18 cents a gallon thanks to
Biden/Democrats" it'll be more along the lines of an "extra $2 a f@@king gallon!"
We really need to nip this in the bud as Barney would say. Surely there's something that could be done
on a national level, I'm not a legal expert so I don't know how to reign in Capitalism that's run amuck.
IQ4.5 would issue an Executive Order if it made him look good and let the lawsuits and appeals
play out in the courts.
quakerboy
(13,921 posts)But we also need Biden out front leading a patriotic push to reduce fuel use. Work from home for the good of the nation and to save Ukraine.
Lil Liberal Laura
(228 posts)Oh. Sorry. PETROL!
TheRickles
(2,081 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)How would windfall profit taxes reduce the price of gas at the pump? Or mitigate the greed of international big oil CEOs?
And how could a US tax, assuming it is passed despite the overwhelming odds against it, possibly affect gas prices overseas?
Perhaps Bernie is talking about three unrelated things in the same post, but if this is the case, I wouldn't call it "nailing it". I would call it being all over the place with his thoughts.
KPN
(15,650 posts)economic inequities that permeate our tax and governance system. He's simply doing what he has always done well and probably better than anyone else. Communication in plain straightforward language about what is going on. That's what he nailed.
there are many, many doing that HRC, Sen. Warren, Rep Porter to name a few
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Its a start
Thats why I introduced the Federal Gas Tax Suspension and Windfall Profits Tax Act, to address both of these issues at once.
The bill would suspend the federal gas tax through the end of 2023, which would provide some immediate relief at the pump. To prevent the oil companies from jacking up their prices further, the bill would also impose a new 50 percent tax on income that is in excess of their reasonably inflated average profit. This windfall profits tax would be used to fund highway and mass transit projects while the gas tax is suspended.
https://schiff.house.gov/news/press-releases/schiff-introduces-bill-to-suspend-federal-gas-tax
KPN
(15,650 posts)than anyone. Warren is also quite good at it as is Katie Porter I agree. Been following Bernie for at least 20 years no one (elected federal official) was where he was when I first became aware of him. Hes been at it a long time.
W_HAMILTON
(7,873 posts)KPN
(15,650 posts)to subscribe to The Nation Magazine 20-30 years ago. Back then. If I remember right he was one of the founding members of the Progressive Caucus so at least that long ago. You?
W_HAMILTON
(7,873 posts)...back when most people did, back during the very consequential 2016 elections that will be forever remembered for putting our nation on one of the most disastrous courses in its history.
And I became aware of him after you, but well before 2016. I regret using my vote for his policies -- not even him, but some of his policies -- as a means to encourage Hillary to go a bit further left because he and many of his followers subsequently used my vote to claim it meant things that I most certainly did NOT intend for it to mean.
KPN
(15,650 posts)voted Democrat without exception up and down the ballot. I did vote for Bernie in the 2016 primary because he registered and ran as a D and had always caucused with Ds at least in the time I knew of him (dont know about his earliest House days). I dont believe in voting for 3rd party candidates as thats a wasted vote in my mind at least or until there is a viable 3rd party which may be never.
Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)Not necessarily connecting the dots or proposing relevant legislation.
Ok, my awareness of economic inequalities in our tax system, among other things, is already raised to an alarming level, and has not been significantly raised any further by Bernie's post. Guilty as charged.
What I am questioning, though, is how much sense it makes to raise awareness by randomly twitting about unrelated subjects, with no apparent connection between them being explained, or a rational course of action to address them being outlined. Some people whose awareness is not sufficiently raised may get turned off by his effort due to the apparent incongruity of his message, or Bernie's apparent reluctance to get past raising awareness. He is a US Senator after all, not a philosopher. I got turned off to ihis tweet for the reason you just articulated: he is simply doing what he has always done. This hardly counts as "nailing it" in my book. More like beating a dead horse. ,
KPN
(15,650 posts)different one.
Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)I am questioning Bernie's willingness to go beyond his well-tested and oft repeated talking points, or even his full grasp of the issues that lie just beyond his talking points.
KPN
(15,650 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)By all means, keep your opinion, whatever it is. I am not contesting your right to have one.
I am just letting you know that, regardless and independent of your opinion, I am not exactly clear what Bernie "nails" and what he doesn't nail. I am also questioning, based on the content of his tweet, his willingness to go beyond his well-tested and oft repeated talking points, as well as his full grasp of the issues that lie just beyond the talking points in it.
If your opinion differs, so be it!
KPN
(15,650 posts)Response to KPN (Reply #26)
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Sympthsical
(9,120 posts)But the wedding cake still looks good.
sheshe2
(83,924 posts)Difference between a primary and a convention. Huge.
One is before, the other after when the winner has been chosen so no longer is a primary.
Sympthsical
(9,120 posts)But I may have to recommend Spark Notes.
(note: my post had nothing to do with the primary or anything related, so unless your response was meant for someone else, I don't get it)
lapucelle
(18,337 posts)based on a misreading of the novel. Pip is a working class boy who becomes an insufferable snob after having been corrupted by money and the influence of flatterers.
lapucelle
(18,337 posts)based on a misreading of the novel. Pip is a working class boy who becomes an insufferable snob after having been corrupted by money and the influence of flatterers.
Me.
(35,454 posts)THe problems with the SC wouldn't be happening for sure
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)They are up a bit now, but nowhere near the levels that would trigger a windfall profits tax.
I expect those in positions of leadership to study basic economics, myself.
Too big an ask?
EX500rider
(10,866 posts)The large oil company profits are due to an entirely different reason, in the old days profit margins were done by hand you would add 5 cents to every gallon let's say and that's what it was. Now it's all computerized and done by a percentage, say 10% markup.
So if gas is a dollar wholesale that sells for $1.10 they made 10 cents a gallon, 10% markup. Gas is say $5 wholesale a gallon they now add $0.50 a gallon to make it 5.50 a gallon still 10% markup but their profit has gone up considerably, but is still just a 10% profit.
And then people say, "Oh X Company is evil, they made 20 BILLION DOLLARS!" Ignoring that they lost $20 billion the year before or that they made $20 billion on $300 billion in sales, not a huge return on investment.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Good job, Senator Sanders. He does know how to keep it simple for those best reachable that way.
Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 2, 2022, 07:44 PM - Edit history (1)
But many people "nailed" the same message, time and again, before Bernie. There is nothing original or outstanding in it coming from Bernie.
And still, what do windfall profit taxes in the US have to do with this simple message?The reference to need for US taxes complicates and confuses his otherwise simple message, making it less clear compared to the same message, uncomplicated, coming from many other sources. I can't think of who exactly this message is supposed to reach.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)So they search out his statements, expecting him to speak to them. After all, how often does he fail to use any issue or other opportunity to keep antagonism focused on the wealthy, relevant to the issue or not? He's been doing a high-wire balancing act since 2020, joining Democratic-establishment leaders to fight the Republicans' authoritarian takeover and simultaneously trying to keep an ANTI-establishment populist following.
But, class resentments have reportedly also been rising on the right also since 2008 or so, hot-burning fuel to add to the trumpists' huge grievance mentality. So I assume these constantly repeated messages are still intended to reach receptive populists on both left and right.
We should wonder if in future tRump's authoritarian populists lose faith in him as a strongman and some of them turn to Sanders. (!) They've always competed for a lot of the same people who could go either way, witness the Sanders voters who moved to tRump in 2016 and 2020. Sanders also projects a fair amount of the strongman certitude authoritarians need.
And sure, there's nothing new or unique in what he says, but he long ago trained those who want to hear it, and much of the media, to associate it with him alone.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)You are likely correct in assuming that there is some crossover affinity between the populist movements of the left and the right. But so far I am aware of only the left wing populists embracing right wing populism. In 2016, for instance, a full 12% of Bernie supporters voted for Trump, and I doubt this is what Bernie had in mind. I have yet to see any evidence of Bernie being able to capitalize on attracting right wing populists, no matter how much he dumbs his message down.
In this respect, Trump has been far more effective in cultivating his populist appeal, and far more successful in maintaining an anti-establishment populist following. In fact, the January 6 attempted coup was a classic populist attempt at an anti-establishment populist takeover. Bernie can only dream of such following. Ever since he lost the primary to Hillary, an establishment candidate, in 2016, and then again in 2020, when he lost to Biden, another establishment candidate, by an even bigger margin, I can only see Bernie's clout as a strongman and a charismatic leader, the two necessary ingredients in heading any populist movement, diminish in time. And while he still has a somewhat impressive and vocal group of loyalists who give him occasional media exposure, I, not being one of them, question his ability to maintain relevance with a message that remains virtually unchanged for decades. In fact, I find his definitions of "working class" and "establishment" firmly stuck in the 20th century. To be more accurate, he doesn't provide any definitions for either, but his references suggest post-WW2 America. The relationship between capital and labor, establishment and diversity, have changed tremendously since then.
In fact, America's democratic institutions are dependent on the establishment to maintain and protect them. The US Constitution itself is a document which defines establishment and spells out the rules by which they are to attain their status and to govern. What frightens me in populism, which is by definition anti-establishment, is that it implicitly exempts itself from the conventions of constitutional democracy and the rule of law.
betsuni
(25,629 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that he could unite some RW with LW populists with calls to class resentments and economic anxiety until a stronger RW strongman arose and mostly swept the board.
A lot of people forget, in focusing on white-power factors, that most RW populists are varying mixtures of socially conservative (batshit on fire these days) AND economically progressive. The RW mixes are very heavy on social passions, but they absolutely want their government programs. (Remember, both populist leaders ran for president promising to replace the Democrats' ACA with a new plan with much better coverages for much lower cost.)
So Sanders' populists also tend to be those mixes, with heavy emphasis on economic justice (progressive or socialist); they are far more liberal on social issues than RW populists but average both more conservative socially and whiter than liberal Democrats. (That populist reality is a reason why Sanders couldn't woo America's black voters nearly as strongly as Biden, who was appealing to much more diverse liberal Democrats.)
But my big concern is this: That uniting of movable trumpists with LW populists, only some of whom accept Sanders' leadership, could seriously disrupt the Democratic Party's efforts to save democracy if it began putatively under the Democratic label.
I think all the dark forces would like and take advantage of that. Many anti-Democratic leftists already claim to be us in order to disrupt the party and sabotage our identity, just like the RWers tricking everyone they can into seeing us as a destructive threat they must stop. Strong populists on both sides also look forward to the collapse of our party and our government as both highly desirable in themselves and necessary to their own ends.
Have a nice day.
Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)I never even considered the prospects of Bernie replacing Trump in this capacity. That's patently unrealistic. What I pointed out is the continued loss of credentials by Sanders to claim this role. I see no evidence of Bernie making ANY inroads into the right wing iteration of populism, and I compared his situation to Trump's to illustrate that the trend is reverse: what you take for granted is a mirage. There appears to be no such thing as moveable trumpists (and I would welcome any references to the contrary). In contrast, there is ample evidence that Trump is attracting left-wing populists instead.
There is no ideology, other than the convention of labeling the distinctions between various strands of populism, involved in these dynamics. Populism is a methodology, not an ideology. Bernie's weaknesses are evident when one examines populism itself. I mentioned previously that populism is completely agnostic in its stance vis a vis constitutional democracy and the rule of law. You are absolutely justified in your concern regarding populism and the dangers it poses as a disruptor of established democratic institutions, as well as democracy itself. Bernie's on/off affiliation with the Democratic party undermines his aspirations as a populist leader. Allegiance to the democratic principles goes against the methodology of populism, and Bernie cannot sustain practicing both for long.
While Bernie's rhetoric remains largely populist, his record doesn't exactly reflect his message. Accordingly, his appeal as a populist leader is losing its edge. Populism and democracy are incompatible. While Bernie would like to have his cake and eat it too, sooner or later he will have to irrevocably break with one for the sake of the other, or become irrelevant.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)That should be repeated a lot. We saw it played out blatantly, in can't-miss actions by both sides in 2016, many of them the same tactics of course.
Those who try to define populism as an ideology usually seem to be trying to give whatever organized negative energy they're talking about a kind of validity and moral standing that don't exist. As you say, it's a method for gaining power -- employed by leaders of almost all ideologies, to create almost any type of replacement power structure by inflaming and directing the signature antagonistic negativism of those they draw -- and specifically aggressive anti-establishment resentments. Populist passions are proven to be loosely related to ideology at best, witness those Sanders "socialists" who switched to tRump's white nationalist authoritarian movement. True that most of the switching may be one way, but not entirely -- and any movement can shift trajectory.
I am grateful to Sanders at least for joining the Democrats to fight the RW takeover after 2020. He of course knew that it would cause many among the dominant populist energizers of his movement to reject his leadership. His aligning with a despised Biden would also at least lessen his LW authoritarian appeal to some of his strongest loyalists.
So true that he couldn't continue forever to appeal to both those committed to democracy and to antiestablishment populists, but no replacement LW populist leader has appeared. And let's face it, many who support him don't understand that populist passions are inimical to our democracy. Many don't realize what they are or that they're involved with them. He also draws idealists who see him only as a leader who will strive for "more" than (he tells them) Democrats will. And of course they don't worry that what they don't see could slip his, and their, control altogether.
JI7
(89,271 posts)This includes mostly White men but also some white women and minority males also . Many non white men also have a problem with the gains women have been making. Many non white men that supported Obama suddenly have a problem with Kamala Harris and Stacy Abrams and other women .
The resentments towards people like Bill Gates is because of the liberal policies they support .
But there are A LOT of wealthy people who are not mulibillionaires and these people are just fine with them. They are even ok with billionaires like Rupert Murdoch .
So in the end their resentments just come down to the same things which is about their own bigotry and doesn't have anything to do with class.
Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)20th century model of class struggle misses a huge chunk of the big and constantly evolving picture.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)RW populists/authoritarians can also easily outperform the comparatively weak-tea hostilities of most of their counterparts on the left, most of whom wouldn't foresee what they'd become part of until it happened. These are the kind of people who made Hitler their Fuehrer, after all.
But who knows? Maybe they'll storm Charles Koch's mansion and burn it down. They're the type who'd leap to it eagerly, tossing poor white ruling class male Charles into the flames as enthusiastically as they would Nancy Pelosi. And a tRump out of control and needing red meat to throw to his followers really could point them at wealthy people who crossed him.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)more of the same
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Response to 867-5309. (Original post)
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FoxNewsSucks
(10,435 posts)More than the lying criminal Bush admin? More than Lindsey Graham, Rand Paul, McCarthy, Boobert, Traitor-Green, and on and on and on?
We need a lot MORE in the Democratic Caucus like Sanders, and a lot fewer that are "corporate-friendly", take orders from Moscow Mitch and millions from billionaires and corporations.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,463 posts)a rebate (whatever you want to call it) based off income vs miles driven. When u renew auto insurance u list mileage - so numbers are available, might not be perfectly accurate but you have to start somewhere, mileage vs income produces a formula to determine refund/rebate/windfall share/ whatever
cloudboy07
(351 posts)Patton French
(778 posts)gulliver
(13,195 posts)Emile
(22,925 posts)JI7
(89,271 posts)This doesn't really say much other than that.
betsuni
(25,629 posts)cars manufactured and popular in those countries -- high gas prices being one reason why.
Violet_Crumble
(35,977 posts)It's the fact that the current skyrocketing prices in the US are happening around the world. I've seen moronic memes on Twitter from Republicans trying to blame Joe Biden for the soaring prices when in fact it's totally out of his control.