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(21,106 posts)It will be the end of Democracy.
Irish_Dem
(47,021 posts)Mr. Evil
(2,841 posts)These deranged lunatics believe in the rapture. They'll most likely set in motion events to get it.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)"How you treat the least of my children so you treat me."
Having said that, I was a foster kid in Ohio after my parents death, one to cancer, the other to a heart attack. No Trumpublicans they were not druggy losers that caused our abandonment to your tender mercy. So yeah 6,5,4, and 2 in the foster system. Check with Columbus Dispatch to see how the foster system is going 50 years later. How many kids die or disappear.
Long story short, I had a great Sunday school teacher as a kid. You can bet I prayed. I read Charles Dickens as a kid. Then I read real history. I no longer pray. Yes, they are setting the events in motion to get their rapture. Ask Mike Pence and Mike Pompeo. Getting their Middle East War to bring about "end of days" via Iran, Israel, or Russia is a thing with those people.
Irish_Dem
(47,021 posts)I'd pay cash money to see that.
Sorry to hear you were in the Ohio foster system. Yes not a good situation.
Glad to hear you were a reader as a kid, it sure helped me get through difficult situations.
keithbvadu2
(36,788 posts)Maybe the rapture has already occurred and they are still here - with the rest of us.
Irish_Dem
(47,021 posts)Tetrachloride
(7,839 posts)Dont like Fourth of July? make it your own.
Surrender is what the Right Wing wants.
Go after the Court, Rethug Senate. Shine a light. make them uncomfortable. No place to hide. Take away their golf courses and mansions and privacy.
housecat
(3,121 posts)Gaugamela
(2,496 posts)yeah, the end of the world. No expert here, but everything I read indicates that on our current trajectory civilization will not last to the end of the century.
lostnfound
(16,177 posts)There wouldnt be any, so no need to worry about them.
brush
(53,776 posts)operators to funnel cases that comprises repub wish lists to SCOTUS for them to rule onlike what was done with the Dobbs v Jackson abortion case out of Mississippi, the disastrous EPA-limiting ruling, and now this case for them to rule that state legislatures can nullify election results they don't like.
What's next, as I'm sure maga operators are huddling together to come with the next wish list item to tee-up for SCOTUS.
Is the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) still operating? They're the outfit that used to write up a lot of winger legislation for state legislatures. They were prominent during the Bush and Obama admins but I haven't heard much of them lately but this shady case seems right up their line.
Somebody in red states is coordinating this stuff and it seems they're all communicating to strike while they've got the SCOTUS Taliban 6 in place, ready and waiting to move the country into far-right, fascist territory.
KS Toronado
(17,220 posts)is unfortunately alive and well. Wonder if The Southern Poverty Law Center could
tag them as a hate or terrorist group? Shoe does seem to fit them.
dalton99a
(81,475 posts)getagrip_already
(14,742 posts)A case like this.
The court can only rule on cases brought to it, s po they ask for cases to rule on.
Activism.
highplainsdem
(48,975 posts)brush
(53,776 posts)to their ears in this and other policy legislation magats want. Seems they farmed this out to a dark money group.
So many evil, wannabe fascist groups out there.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)Neil Gorsuch's mother was the EPA administrator that tried to destroy the EPA for Reagan. This happened over the course of 40 years. They have worked long and hard for this result.
CrispyQ
(36,461 posts)These people have children & grandchildren. Do they consider at all what kind of planet we're leaving the kids? Or do they think their money will protect them from the worst of climate change? Dennis Miller once joked that he didn't care about climate change because the bad affects were so many generations away. That's not the case anymore. What's going to happen to the southwest when Lakes Powell & Mead go dry? This is in our own country, not somewhere around the world.
calimary
(81,238 posts)Once upon a time I was a Dennis Miller fan. Many generations ago.
rubbersole
(6,688 posts)Coke Can Pube Decorator already said the quiet part outloud.
mrsadm
(1,198 posts)vanlassie
(5,670 posts)2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)who liked to force his staff to watch porn. Among other things. Kavanaugh wasn't the first one to get a free pass.
mrsadm
(1,198 posts)I avoided the Anita Hill hearings, leaving it at the high level for my easily angered brain.
summer_in_TX
(2,738 posts)Don Winslow
@donwinslow
Spend 5 minutes today learning about Moore v. Harper.
If the Trump Court rules that states can ultimately decide elections regardless of how people vote it will be the actual END of the world as you know it.
Fact not hyperbole.
I think he's right, it'd end democracy as we know it.. https://mitch.us-east-1.linodeobjects.com/moore%20v%20harper.pdf
2022 will be a freer and fairer election than 2024 in my opinion. Likely the Moore decision will come next year, end of term. I don't trust this Supreme Court to not rule for the Independent State Legislature Doctrine.
mrsadm
(1,198 posts)It will end democracy in America.
CrispyQ
(36,461 posts)You are rightthis SCOTUS is not to be trusted.
bucolic_frolic
(43,147 posts)They're on a roll.
Celerity
(43,343 posts)That will instantly outlaw all abortions, save those to save a mother's life (and even those may be dodgy in some psychos' minds) nationwide.
That is when the clear countdown to Blue State session and/or civil kinetic war kicks off (there are some other possible triggers too, like what Winslow speaks of).
soldierant
(6,857 posts)They only side with states rights if it helps them.
If they get a majority on Congress, and pass legislation to outlaw aboirtion, or gay or interracial marriage, o r contraception, or to drastically restrict voting rights, the court will no t side with states which oppose them.
Bettie
(16,096 posts)they pick and choose which things states get to decide.
Gun laws? Nope, states can't decide.
Augiedog
(2,545 posts)Lonestarblue
(9,982 posts)I would like to see a group of experts (dont ask me in what!) evaluate the issues of separation into the Democratic States of America and the Republican States of America. We could evaluate a virtual separation versus a physical separation, which would provide for the reasonable movement of people and goods from one entity to the other, but each would have its own government as is done in the EU. With a virtual separation, major cities could choose the country to join and thus follow the laws of its chosen country, not the laws of its former country.
Of course, there are lots of disadvantages to separation, including the movement of guns across virtual borders. Perhaps well-enforced laws could help prevent gun trafficking. Red states would also suffer disadvantages in that they would no longer be supported by the taxes in blue states, but their disadvantage is our advantage as we would have more money to invest.
What to do about the military and other shared obligations would be a big issue. Perhaps command of the military could shift from one country to another on a defined schedule, perhaps every two years.
Maybe indulging myself in pie-in-the-sky wishing, but as I see our democracy being eroded day by day and personal rights being erased entirely, Im not willing to roll over and play dead. Im old enough that the loss of democracy will not affect me much, but Im not so old as to be beyond caring. We still have the 2022 election as a beacon, and if we can gain enough Senate seats and hold the House, theres real opportunity for change if Democrats are determined.
My donations will be going to Ryan in Ohio, Fetterman in Pennsylvania, and a third race somewhere, possibly Georgia. If anyone has recommendations for another Senate race that could be won and House members who need extra support, please respond in comments.
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MarcA
(2,195 posts)First, the Logistics would be enormous, as you pointed out. Ours is not a situation like Czechoslovakia which was a much smaller nation that had been ruled by outside forces for much of its 75 year existence. Secondly, even a peaceably divided US would not have as much strength on the world stage, although most of the other larger Nation States are having their own stability problems. Lastly, and most importantly, the Radical Rs have no intention of giving up anything and would seek to destroy what it could not keep and rule.
slightlv
(2,787 posts)I see no other way out, especially since these recent rulings from SCOTUS, and in light of what will be coming down from them in the future. However, I've not thought of "virtual" separation, but physical. I don't see how a virtual separation can work. I can see how a physical separation could work, tho it would be difficult as hell to achieve... much more so than a virtual one. Biggest would be simple logistics of helping people move from one part of the country to the other - and there would have to be help. I don't think the Blues caught in the Red states are the poorest, but we're pretty damn near the bottom of the barrel. Many of us are older, and have sunk just about everything we have trying to stake a claim into housing they can't take away from us. Most of survive only on Social security, with small annuities as extras. One big emergency away from losing most everything. I know I dearly want right now to move to a Blue State, but have neither the money nor the physical stamina to do it... let alone the money to buy a house in a blue state to get settled in. That's the kind of logistics I'm talking about. Housing is exorbitant in Blue States I know about, as compared to the Midwest, where I'm currently stuck. But gods, how I'd love to be someplace where my vote would finally count for something! Where I could walk down the sidewalk and actually strike up a conversation with someone of my own kind! To go the movies and not wonder who in the theater is "packing" and could shoot up the place! Talk about feeling like you're already in heaven! Yes, it would mean giving everything I've got to get there, and accepting all the help I could get to get it done... but I'd do it in a heartbeat. Colder weather on these old bones and all!
But beyond that, there are other issues that would have to be worked out. Military treaties, land grants, water rights, etc. It would be a hell of a set of treaties to work, and we'd have to check, recheck, and check again on every single one of them to ensure we didn't get taken like the Native Americans. Because we couldn't trust one work the R's said as truth or honest dealing.
But I'd feel a whole lot better about the future if we'd attempt something like this. I may be feeling older than dirt right now, but I'm not willing to give up my future if I can help it. If the R's take away the Vote and the Election and turn it over to the Legislature, we're doomed. No hyperbole. Kansas will never see another Blue rep for anything. We'll never get out of religious law. We still don't have medical marijuana. At that rate, we'll never have it, just to illustrate one small thing. The Big R's will kill Social Security and starve us Elders out of our homes and set us on a wandering route for food... or suicide. I don't see any other way for survival. We won't pack the courts. We won't use the Constitution to rein in the SCOTUS Judicial Review powers. It seems we don't have any representatives who listen to us as we scream bloody murder - before, as, or after we vote... and now it seems the R's will take that vote away from us. It's time for a reset of some kind. Dividing the country may be that reset both sides need, IMNSHO.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)
and vice versa. You think those people will happily give up their jobs, houses, neighborhoods, and land for this idea?
For reference, please look up the India/Pakistan partition, which was supposed to solve that pesky Hindu vs Muslim problem once and for all. The streets flowed with blood as neighbor suddenly looked at neighbor as a deadly enemy.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)We are deep blue to purple and are 60% of the state's population. And the airport.
wnylib
(21,447 posts)who separated because they could not get along together? Not possible.
Separation, civil war, or revolution - seems like one of them is inevitable if some major changes in political climate don't happen.
But even separation might not solve the problems. Republicans are belligerent and aggressive. They would constantly be fighting over territory and resources.
lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts)is not valid and NEVER will be
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)Donate time, donate money, get others to vote, call those who represent us. But I long for leadership, for a party operative or, especially an elected official, who has a plan to stop this. Ideally, such a plan would already be drawn up and in play. I dont think it is, though. So who has a plan to fight this and can rally us around it? Once we get the people to the polls and the votes in Congress, whats the plan and who will be bold enough to face off against the evils we faceRepublicans, sure, but also, the organized money and hatred that stand behind them. The time for bonhomie, moderation and deal making is long behind us. Im looking for a leader who recognizes that and can point a way forward. Otherwise these warnings just scare me senseless at this point.
Joinfortmill
(14,417 posts)Pas-de-Calais
(9,904 posts)Vast following in Twitterverse, Im one.
Joinfortmill
(14,417 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)Will all the trees suddenly die? Will the birds and other animals all die?
The doomy-gloomy attitude will get us nowhere fast. We need to overcome the set backs.
Remember the Civil Rights Movement? You got to Keep on Pushing!
calimary
(81,238 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,725 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,176 posts)summer_in_TX
(2,738 posts)@laurenpeikoff
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@BeschlossDC
on SCOTUS deciding to take up the case on state authority over elections: Theres a possibility that we may have seen our last fair and free presidential election.
The 2024 election may well be run under a new scheme of the Independent State Legislative Doctrine if SCOTUS rules that way. Therefore 2022 becomes even more critical than we already thought.
We must retain both houses and increase our majority in the Senate.
d_b
(7,463 posts)???
Or any dem leaders?
Rebl2
(13,498 posts)I am feeling these days
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)We did, in the early days, not elect the Senate-- it was elected by state legislators. Turns out that was a lousy idea and we got the 17th Amendment allowing direct election of Senators.
No, direct election of the President wasn't included.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)In states with respectable electoral systems, why would we stay for this shit?
We wont.
Rhiannon12866
(205,316 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017747213
Cha
(297,196 posts)Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!
Cha
(297,196 posts)anyway.
Why would We The People Stand for this?! Fascism Lording Over US via the Extremists on the SCOTUS?:
Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!
ecstatic
(32,701 posts)They basically said checkmate. Game over.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)repukes cannot win fair elections, this is why they hacked the SC
Truly scary. Its like the right has become the freaking Borg. What will do if we lose this one?
pecosbob
(7,538 posts)If your State doesn't meet federal guidelines your Senators and Representatives don't get voting privileges.