If Donald Trump announces plans to run for President on the Fourth

[EndlessWire]

then I will vomit.

I must say, it won't surprise me. He is very theatrical, from trying to impress from in front of the Presidential monuments (Mount Rushmore) to his stunt of driving around the hospital while he was being treated with medical treatments that only he could get. But, that doesn't mean I will be amused.

He might be doing it because of timing, you know, getting ahead of others. This would be because of the recent talk that he will not be welcome to a party candidacy. Maybe because of DeSantis.

Or, and IMO most probable, he has it in his head that he can't be indicted if he is running for President. He is coming off the heels of a devastating hearing enumerating numerous criminal acts from a credible witness. He would probably like to be able to spin it that he is being harassed due to some mythical holy state of candidacy. Maybe he can convince DOJ that to indict him would be some kind of travesty against tradition.

We have all been through this before, during the two impeachment hearings. It is kind of settled that, technically, he can be prosecuted while in office. This is post term, he is being investigated and found out, and there is that. I don't know what other position he could run for in Midterms; I think it is too late for that. So, if he announces for the Presidency, there will be the inevitable "I am President, You can't imprison me now" argument. Or, "I am running for the Presidency, you can't touch me now." And, then his Personal Supreme Court can legislate in his favor. How, I don't know, but that hasn't stopped them from twisting our system.

Our system allows any criminal to run for the Presidency, even from a jail cell. That is the truth. So, if he announces, that is his right, and he can spend Republican donor money on it. If we got lucky enough to convict him, we would probably have to send him to Gitmo, just to make it really hard to run a campaign from there.

I dunno about you, but I think an indictment of at least Donald Trump is in order. If DOJ fails to act for whatever reason, then I personally will feel that there is no more justice of any kind left in our system.

It seems like it is going to be all on Garland. I like quiet, understated heroes that do their duty without fuss. So far, all is well. But then, that's what I thought about the Mueller Report.

I want to see DOJ kick Donald's rotten ass, not just Georgia, although I appreciate all Georgia Peaches and am grateful that pursuit of that angle is ongoing. But, we have to indict Trump as a nation. His fall guys notwithstanding, it will not work if he gets to throw them under the buses and walk away whistling.

Please, G-d, don't inflict my country with Trump as President. Not again, never again, no more. Amen.

If he announces, we'll just have to suck it up and laugh it off. I wouldn't put it past Red States to elect a criminal as their President. We just have to do something NOW and not let it get that bad again. Please, Dems, do something.

[LuckyCharms]

1. Trump will be imprisoned.

I'm so confident in that statement that I would bet good money on it.

If I actually had any money.

But he's going to prison.

Count on it.

[msongs]

2. he can still run and win from prison nt

[LuckyCharms]

3. I know.

But he won't win from prison.

He'll be locked up for the rest of his life.

[EndlessWire]

9. But, did you know

that we have no law on the books that would prevent him from running the Government from a jail cell? He could use that for some kind of accommodation, or even some kind of "get out of jail" monopoly defense.

[LuckyCharms]

10. Yes, but my feeling is that

it is a highly unlikely event.

There are millions of things that are possible, but practically, will never happen.

I think this scenario is one of those things.

[A HERETIC I AM]

22. Except if he is convicted of sedition.

§2384. Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, §1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

§2385. Advocating overthrow of Government

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms "organizes" and "organize", with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, §2, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 87–486, June 19, 1962, 76 Stat. 103; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

[rampartc]

25. in the unkujeky event that trump id trued, convicted, and imprisoned

will certainly have a sweetheart sentence deal like epstein had in florida.

gislane maxwell, by the way, was sentenced to 20 years for trafficking underage girls to absolutely no one.

[fightforfreedom]

28. It depends on what he is convicted of.

There are crimes, laws, that prevent you from running for office.

[Stuart G]

5. Yes, you are correct? Why? Trump has committed crimes, and no one is above the law, even Trump

.....He has missed out on prison before (his crew as been there, depending how you define "his crew)..but
Donald Trump thinks he is..."Above the Law" His lawyer went to prison..Michael Cohen....Is that right?

But he is ........NOT ABOVE THE LAW...and he will find that one out, but it will take time. Why?
because the prosecutors must have it totally correct.. After all he is an ex President of the U.S.

[LuckyCharms]

6. I look at it this way.

There are two possible outcomes likely:

1) He is imprisoned for the rest of his life, or

2) He skates

If he skates, we are done for.

If he is imprisoned, he can run for POTUS from prison. I highly doubt that he would win. If he does win, then we are in the Twilight Zone, so why worry about it?

I actually think the best indicator right now is that we are hearing nothing from the DOJ. That's the way it should work in a situation like this. They have no reason to be saying anything. They are keeping quiet, and letting people open their mouths.

[EndlessWire]

13. You are only not above the law

if you actually get indicted for oh, I don't know, designing a Government coup?

As far as time goes, we are at Midterms, where we could lose the slim margins we have. and then it's on to 2024. Not a long time for Garland to get it done. A candidacy by Trump absolutely will affect the thinking of DOJ, especially if there are still Trumpians holding spots there. I did not research Garland this last time, but if he is a traditionalist, he might be affected.

My point is, will Trump be indicted BEFORE a 2024 election, when he can be gotten, or are we going to be told that we can't because he got reelected?

[rampartc]

26. he must be indicted before the 2022 election

the committee is disbanded even if the democrats retain majority (cheney will not be reelected. kinzinger is not running.)

speaker gym jordan definitely disbands the committee as it will interfere with the all important investigation of hunter biden's laptop, the impeachments of joe biden and kamala harris and repealing the 22nd amendment to allow for a "president for life."

[EndlessWire]

29. LOL!

That's what I would like, to see him indicted before Midterms.

I hadn't considered that the J6 committee would disappear, which of course it would. I HAVE considered all the people that will get arrested if Trump were to get reelected. Life as we know it will be over. One thing we know about Donald is that he gets even for the tiniest perceived insult.

I can't see how Garland can sit there and do nothing in the face of the evidence, but he might hesitate if Donald is a candidate. He has to get him pretty quick now. I am hoping to wake up one day soon and read that the Grand Jury has convened for the purpose.

[rampartc]

30. +1

i am trying to imagine the trial of hunter biden's laptop, because you know they want to do it.

[former9thward]

16. No he won't.

I wish DU had a enforcable betting system.

[LuckyCharms]

24. You wouldn't exactly be flush with cash if I lost the bet.

[USALiberal]

18. No he will not, bookmarked! Nt

[Polybius]

20. How long do you think it will take?

This year?

[LuckyCharms]

23. Not for a conviction, but possibly for an indictment. My opinion only.

[mopinko]

4. he needs money.

that's all it's about.

[EndlessWire]

7. Well, that may be so.

But, I don't think it is the entire answer. Not unless he is compiling get-away money. He's a grifter, and he can't change his stripes. He's probably calculated the millions he could rake in.

But, if he becomes the Repub candidate, they will pay for him. So, I am not sure what he will need.

[mopinko]

8. he raised $250m on this lie.

the last 2 mos he's taken in less than $100k.

[EndlessWire]

11. He's just not the official candidate yet.

Maybe some wiser Repubs won't want him, but his base will. And all of the reluctance will evaporate in the face of his mobster quality of threatening their careers if they don't get on board. They don't exactly have backbones, you know.

[Native]

17. I read $9 million raised March-April and only $19,000 May-June.

He needs a new shtick.

[rampartc]

27. but you can never trust numbers reported by trumpists.

[kacekwl]

12. If he does it would be great

if the DOJ or anyone would charge him for one of his many crimes the next day. You know one of the slam dunk ones we have video and voice recordings of him committing the crime.

[Baitball Blogger]

14. Well, we'll all be wearing black that day, so...

[captain queeg]

15. I'd be happy if he went to prison on July 4th. That would really honor ideals we espouse.

Won’t make it this year, but maybe 7/4/23?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. You just made me think... Ivanka's shady surreal

Testimony to J6... Not real. He must have told her to do that. Ergo, he knows he's going down. Announcing will be his only option. Not to win... But to hold on to the viscerally needed adoration of the crazies. And to pocket some change. All he's got now.

Also, wonder, just wonder.. might we be better off if he doesn't get indicted? Keep Rs in a mess? Then we can win for sure in 2024..

[usonian]

21. Best scenario.

Either he throws guilty as hell collaborators under the bus, as his history shows, or they do it to him, which is the typical DOJ strategy.

That would tear the rethug party to shreds. Liz must know something, to keep the pressure on. I dunno how long they can stick together on the sole issue of group identity, as bizarro court issues and whatever else may shake some loose (voters, not asslicking politicians).

I thought that the Election Integrity fraud might raise eyebrows because it was the rubes who got took.

Also this, which has not exploded in the news yet, but will, as solid cases are brought, and dupes in party leadership hit the slammer.

Some Republicans felt ‘duped’ by Team Trump’s fake electors plot
And they may pay a price for their complicity.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/republicans-felt-duped-team-trumps-fake-electors-plot-rcna34780

“We were kind of useful idiots or rubes at that point,” said Robert Sinners, a former Trump campaign staffer, adding he now feels he was misled about the effort. “I’m angry because I think, in a sense, no one really cared if people were potentially putting themselves in jeopardy.”