CNN showed a pic of Crimo's 2nd gun in car. Its a Kel-Tec Sub 2000

[SYFROYH]

Last edited Thu Jul 7, 2022, 01:53 PM - Edit history (2)

LEO and media are not identifying his weapons for some reason.

Its a lightweight carbine that shoots pistol calibre ammo like 9mm or .40.

It’s best known for being able to fold in half easily and reassemble by simply unfolding it.

Its sold with 10 round mags but there are after market magazines with higher capacity

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kel-Tec_SUB-2000

Picture of gun as shown on CNN:

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(Changed pic to CNN news poc amd Edited out some personal stuff because of some unhappy people. I intended this OP to be informational)

ETA: An LEO guest on CNN stated that he believes the gun used in the parade massacre was a Smith & Wesson M&P15, a standard AR-15 design.

[SoCalDavidS]

1. 3 Wasn't Enough? nt

[CentralMass]

5. Apparently their like Lay's potato chips.

[Jamesm9164]

2. Not sure where to go with this.

Aw fuck.

[Scrivener7]

3. Infantile.

[sop]

4. Looks like a toy, the kind of thing a six-year-old would pick up and shoot his little sister with.

[rsdsharp]

6. I have a Kel-Tec P32. I'm not real sure why.

About all I can say about it is that it’s not a a Lorcin or a Jennings or a Raven.

But it’s close.

[Jamesm9164]

7. I agree, one must have there

artistic values in order.

[Fla_Democrat]

8. You could always upgrade to a

Yeet Cannon.

[TheBlackAdder]

9. 🤣🤣🤣

[rsdsharp]

14. Nah. The only time I ever touched a Hi-Point

the slide fell off in my hand.

[Fla_Democrat]

24. I can't believe Demolition Ranch

led me astray. Although, he did say....

That was either a really nice shirt, or a really terrible gun.

[Kingofalldems]

10. Ahh gun porn.

I see what's up.

[Ohio Joe]

12. +1 - nt

[Kingofalldems]

20. Pretty disgusting.

A way of mocking the dead.

[blue neen]

16. Yep.

...and it sure as heck is obscene.

[Hekate]

18. I'd imagine the Gungeon needs redecorating or something, but noooo

[SYFROYH]

22. How was this gun porn? Even CNN showed a pic of it.

But they didn't identify it.

Would you like me to delete the picture? Would that be less offensive?

If it makes you feel better, I posted the picture from CNN.

[PA Democrat]

41. The pursuant discussion about the various attributes of these weapons

oohing and aahing about their power or their shortcomings is what many of us find repulsive.

The worship of the gun in this country is obscene. It sickens me to see it on DU.

[SYFROYH]

49. I see your point.

But I do think its important for us to share our knowledge about firearms on DU - especially during a high profile tragic case where the press is not providing basic facts.

I think its important because we end up creating laws based on firearm attributes.

[Scrivener7]

62. Delusions of self-importance always do run amok after these massacres by gun hobby-ists.

[BlackSkimmer]

84. No shit. I do hope this satisfies the posters here who wanted SO badly to know what kinds of weapons

were used by this creep.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

11. Never held or fired one

But I've heard many claim Kel-Tec's are a piece of crap. Doesn't mean it can't kill however.

[MrsCoffee]

13. ffs

[denbot]

15. I have a Kel Tec 12 gage KSG.

That one is a light pistol caliber carbine (think purposeful compactness). Kel Tec does a lot of innovative designs, some good some bad. That one was likely a back up as it can't penetrate body armor.

[48656c6c6f20]

17. So you could theoretically kill 100's of people?

You wouldn't mind letting us know where you're from would you? I want to make sure I avoid potential mass shooters.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

21. This is some seriously fucked up shit you posted.

[48656c6c6f20]

26. Yeah it's as about as seriously fucked up

As going to a parade and dying because, someone has legally bought a killing machine.

[Scrivener7]

30. Lol. No. That's the purpose of that gun. And the poster needed

multiples of it.

Talk about seriously fucked up. I'd like to know the answer to the poster's question.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

32. So you approve of the implied accusation of denbot

being a mass shooter?
Well, alrighty then.

Man, this fucking place has really started to become toxic.

[radicalleft]

56. Yes it is...

The insults (vile ones at that) to DU members who happen to own firearms is disgusting. But I guess they need someone to feel superior to.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

61. +100. nt

[Scrivener7]

59. Poor thing. It's so abusive to you that others don't like it when you parade your

murderous hobby in GD.

The fact is, you don't know which gun worshiper will be the next shooter. Seems to me that people should be avoided at all costs if they need multiple machines that serve no purpose but to mow down scores of people in an instant.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

60. You're funny.

Have a great day and a great upcoming weekend.

[Scrivener7]

63. I suppose some DO find massacres funny. Best to avoid them too.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

64. I'll thank you for not putting your words in my mouth,

I have no idea where they've been.

[SYFROYH]

23. You're funny. That's great satire!

[48656c6c6f20]

25. No it's actually survival instinct

People with guns cannot be trusted. They kill people. You get the news right? People like you, whether ill intentioned or not, are part of the problem. Gun owners cannot be trusted.

[SYFROYH]

27. You don't have to worry about me. Just deal with the folks in your town/city.

About 40% of households have at least one firearm.

[48656c6c6f20]

28. Some have at least 4 weapons for killing people.

Heard over and over, And he was such a quiet man. Didn't bother anyone, until he massacred them. Sorry no trust. You're a owner of devices meant to kill. No trust.

[Fla_Democrat]

29. 4?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

33. -100.

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[48656c6c6f20]

52. -100 is that the number of population decrease due to

good old gun owners in the last day?
If you own guns, I don't trust you.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

53. .....

If you own guns, I don't trust you.

I DO NOT care if you trust me or not.

[48656c6c6f20]

55. Thank you for not caring

And showing you don't care by stating that..
Caps too. "DO NOT"Are you angry? I wouldn't want to make a gun owner angry, there could be consequences. So calm down.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

58. Nope, not angry,

just amused by your thinking that I give a crap what you think about my owning a firearm, which, up until just a couple of days ago, I didn't even own one, but the way this country is headed, I, notice I said I, feel that I need to arm myself against these RWNJ for my protection.

Don't worry about me, I am well versed in the use and safe storage of firearms, again, I DO NOT care whether or not you trust me.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

69. Maybe that's under the 10A

(The inferred) right to be able to trust everyone.

[EX500rider]

78. So like this guy then?

?t=20170517

[48656c6c6f20]

94. Yeah I mean

There is no rhyme or reason to why good old responsible gun humpers kill people. I wish presidents didn't have to have masturbatory photo ops to please the gun humpers to show he's a big boy with a gun. Ohh so manly.

[sop]

34. 99% of that 40% will tell you they would never do anything illegal with a firearm.

And they're probably right. Problem is those law-abiding gun owners are the ones actively preventing lawmakers from enacting laws to stop the other 1% of gun owners, the ones most likely to go berserk and shoot dozens of innocents. Things have gotten so bad it's not enough to simply say "you don't have to worry about me, it's the other guy."

[MarineCombatEngineer]

35. Well, I can quite confidentially say that you don't have to worry about me, it's the other guy,

now whether you accept it or not is on you, not me.

[Scrivener7]

65. Well. There's a first step. Because most thinking people are not going to accept that.

If a person needs to parade his guns, either in person or by posting breathless gun porn where he knows people don't want to see it (such as in GD), or if he need multiple guns that serve no purpose other than to reduce people to pulp and ruin lives, then no. A thinking person is not likely to take his word that he is responsible and sane.

In today's climate, the need to push others' noses into a hobby which ruins countless lives each day is not a great indicator of a balanced outlook.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

66. Well, whether or not people accept it is not my problem

as I don't parade around with my 1 and only firearm, even though in AZ, we are allowed to, it's either in my truck when I'm on the road, secured in a bio metric lock box or at home when I'm taking a break in the same lock box.

Whether or not you trust me is not my concern, that's your problem

[Scrivener7]

67. No. Not my problem. Gun owners on DU cannot have missed the fact that, statistically, their

gun ownership makes them and their loved ones much more likely to be killed by a gun, much less safe.

That gun love must be pretty strong.

And let's face it. Gun love is just a grotesque thing.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

68. That's your opinion and you're welcome to it,

however, I have a different opinion.

Gotta go, truck is ready for pick up.

Have a great day.

[Scrivener7]

70. Ummmm.... no. Statistics aren't my opinion.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

75. As you're well aware of, unless you're in complete denial,

"statistics" can be manipulated by either side of the issue, and in my case, the statistics mean doodly squat.

And on that note, you can have the last say, I'm done with you on this issue.

[Scrivener7]

77. As YOU are well aware, unless you are in complete denial,

people who live in houses where there is a gun are many times more likely to receive gunshot wounds, and to die of them, than those who live in homes without a gun.

Good luck to your family.

Sad, that.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

79. My family?

Dude or dudette, my family is grown and gone, my wife passed away over 4 years ago, it's just me and my Dolly, my traveling dog, so no danger of that happening, like I said.

[EX500rider]

80. I've heard that people who live in houses with stairs are more likely to die in a fall too

And that death toll is higher then guns, so 1 story houses only!

Unintentional fall deaths
Number of deaths: 42,114 (per year)
Deaths per 100,000 population: 12.8

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm

[Scrivener7]

81. Ah, yes. The NRA talking points rear their obvious heads.

You guys seem to have backed off the "spoons kill people too!" But really, I always thought the one that showed y'all at your best angle was "pool noodles kill people too!"

[EX500rider]

82. Well it a somewhat obvious statement like saying:

"People who own cars are more likely to die in a car accident"

And that fact remains you are more likely to die in a fall then have someone kill you with a gun, about 4 times more likely.

[Scrivener7]

83. Have you memorized that, or are you reading it from their literature?

Do you get a sticker now?

But I totally agree. Those who perpetrate massacres-by-staircase should be treated very harshly.

[EX500rider]

85. If you mean the CDC literature, yes, as I posted a link.

[Scrivener7]

86. No. I mean the NRA literature. Clearly. And yes, those cars that are specifically built

for the purposes of killing scores of people in seconds should be outlawed too. Just like the pool noodles and spoons built specifically to reduce scores of people to pulp in seconds. In addition to the staircases built for mass murder.

Outlaw them all.

[EX500rider]

87. That would be any car

Get car to to 70mph and plow thru crowd of people, we are lucky mass killers don't do that more often, the death count would be higher.

On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19-tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds of people celebrating Bastille Day on the Promenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people and the injury of 458 others.

[Scrivener7]

88. Yes of course. Because cars are specifically made to do that and only that. LOOK OUT!

All those staircase grabbers are coming to your house. They're gonna CONFISCATE your staircase!!! You better get a bigger staircase so you can fight them off!!!

And PS, I bet you DO get a sticker!!! You're hitting all the NRA's most ridiculous talking points! You must be so proud!

[EX500rider]

89. Yes i understand you have no response to truck attacks being more dangerous.

And 99.9% of firearms are used for target shooting, hunting & home defense so I'd say they were designed for that.

[Scrivener7]

92. My pool noodle is HUUUUUGE. Definitely bigger than yours. And I have 4 of them.

All in camo designs. I'm definitely the good guy with the big pool noodle in the next massacre by pool noodle.

I know people want to CONFISCATE them from me. I say, come get them from my cold dead hands.

And PS, so those guns which are manufactured for the sole purpose of turning scores of people into pulp in seconds are mostly used just to PRACTICE turning scores of people into pulp in seconds. And in your mind, that makes it better. That's a very interesting view into ... well, whatever.

Also, really? You think truck attacks are a bigger problem in America than gun massacres? Hon, that's just astonishingly stupid. Do yourself a favor, give that a think before you say it out loud again.

Where are you going to put your sticker? Does it say "man card?" Those are the ones that make my knees weak when I see them. Because then I know it's a REAL man. Till you see the card, you can never be sure. Particularly with the guys who need lots of guns.

[EX500rider]

93. The point is truck attacks would be more dangerous, lets hope crazies don't switch to that

[MarineCombatEngineer]

95. Case in point,

Oklahoma City bombing by Tim McVeigh in 1995 which killed 168 men, women and children and wounded over 680 more.

[Scrivener7]

96. Oh, dear. You said it out loud again.

[BannonsLiver]

97. Quick question

When the NRA does the obfuscation training is that done online or are materials sent to the house? Maybe a workbook? Or maybe a coloring book?

[maxrandb]

73. My Maserati does 185

of course, "I'd never drive it that fast on the Beltway, or through your neighborhood, but I will fight with all my might to ensure those that want to drive 185 MPH through a school zone are able to do so". Anything else would be tyranny.

I mean, why restrict anything when "I" have shown "I" am responsible?

If I have Hellfire missiles I would never use them. You shouldn't restrict my right to Hellfire Missiles just because someone else launched them at Shady Pines Elementary.

You don't need to worry about me. Trust me. I'm the "good guy" with Hellfire Missiles.

[sarisataka]

74. I have always wondered why

We allow cars that can go so fast. There is no reason anyone ever needs to go a 100 miles an hour over the highest posted speed limit.

Why not require governors on all cars allowing them to go no more than 80 miles per hour? Accidents would be less deadly and high speed chases would the chases would become a thing of the past.

[Scrivener7]

76. Exactly.

[Scrivener7]

31. I guess some people need more than one substitute penis to get that man card.

[Bucky]

36. Reviewer: "it's a concealable, packable, full-length pistol-caliber rifle"

It's the perfect pistol caliber rifle for turning a peaceful community into a war zone.

https://www.eaglegunrangetx.com/first-shots-review-the-kel-tec-sub2000/

[SYFROYH]

38. Its far less concealable than a handgun that uses the same ammo.

If thats what bothers you about it.

[Bucky]

40. Thank you for that irrelevant comment

A handgun is less concealable than a pocket watch.

The intention and functional utility of a long gun for shooting up a crowd of people is why weapons like this should be heavily regulated and the people who use them should be registered and monitored by the authorities.

[SYFROYH]

46. I support more regulation of semi-auto with detachable mags, too.

Raising the age for ownership is an easy one, but some kind of registry with a deeper background check would be helpful.

[MrsCoffee]

37. Go figure, gun porn makes people unhappy on DU.

I just don’t understand how someone boasts about their big guns while we mourn shooting victims all over this country.

You should have just deleted and started over instead of chastising us in your edit.

SMDH.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

39. Everything on DU makes SOMEONE unhappy.

That's just the nature of things.

[MrsCoffee]

42. -100 nt

[MarineCombatEngineer]

44. Well, here's my +100,

which cancels out your -100.

[PA Democrat]

47. Agree 100% Mrs. Coffee. It is disgusting.

[NowISeetheLight]

43. Kel-Tec PF9

My only remaining gun is a Kel-Tec PF9 9mm CCW I’ve had for years. I do have several clips and I know how to use it. I sure don’t need an AR15 or an Uzzie for home defense. I sold off the guns my Dad left me (retired cop). To be honest I’m glad to be rid of them.

[Calista241]

45. My impression of Kel-Tek is that they make cheap, unreliable guns.

Not sure if it's true, but it's an impression I have.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

48. Your impression would be correct,

I compare them with the very cheap and poorly made RG handguns, which should have never been allowed to be sold due to it's dangerous unreliability.

[SYFROYH]

54. No one ever accused Kel-Tec of over-engineering

But I’ve shot several (some a lot) and they’ve held up to my range abuse.

The notable thing about Kel-tec is they often make innovation in designs.

Some of their reliability reputation is due to quality issues, but also the kinks not being worked out of new designs and people using the wrong ammo.

[MineralMan]

50. He only had that thing for deer hunting, though.

That is a perfect example of a firearm that has no function whatsoever except to kill people. No function other than that.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

51. +100. nt

[SYFROYH]

57. No function...

Mine function fine at the range and target practice. Are mine weird?

Some people I know keep them folded up in locked compartments in their trucks and use them for small animal pest control on their farms. They must have custom altered them.

But yes, they can be used to kill people in self-defense or homicidal acts like most guns.

[MineralMan]

71. Sure they do, you betcha...

Good luck with all that...

[SYFROYH]

72. No luck needed. Just the facts in the face of incorrect claims.

Oof.

[pwb]

90. It looks like a piece of shit weapon.

IMO.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

91. It really does. nt