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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMillennials are the largest workforce and the least wealthy -- why?
https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/08/11/millennials-are-the-largest-workforce-and-the-least-wealthy-why-politics/Some highlights:
In 1989, when Baby Boomers were roughly the same age as Millennials today, Boomers owned 21.3% of the national wealth. Millennials today own just 4.6%. This means that at their same stage of earnings development, Baby Boomers owned proportionally four times as much of the total wealth as Millennials. . .
As the economy continues to change, things are looking worse and worse for Millennials without a college degree. Race also plays a significant role in wealth statistics. At the end of 2019, Black Millennials had just $5,000 in household wealth on average, compared with their white counterparts, who had on average $88,000. The same study also showed that not only are Black millennials trailing white Millennials in terms of wealth, but are also trailing previous generations of Black families' average wealth by 52%. . .
One significant dampener of Millennial wealth is student loan debt. As shown in the chart below, Millennials hold roughly $500 billion in student loan debt. Between 1964 when the youngest Boomers were born, and 2015 the annual cost of a four-year public university grew by 3,700%, even after adjusting for inflation. This means that in 2019 dollars, when Boomers entered college in 1982 they paid an annual tuition of $1,031; Millennials had to pay $9,970 for yearly in-state tuition. (Average costs are more than double at out-of-state four-year universities are more than double and nearly quadruple at private universities). Again, both of those amounts are adjusted for inflation to 2019 dollars. . . .
Both of these causes of the dearth of Millennial wealth are the result of deliberate political and policy choices: States have cut support to higher education, shifting the cost on to students, who in turn borrowed money for college degrees they were told were essential to survive in today's economy. Once in the economy, Millennial workers were left to confront a political economy in which labor unions were crushed and employers given maximum leverage.
We're quite an entitled generation. Boot straps, people. Boot straps.
Blue Owl
(50,547 posts)You want Great Grandpa's party running things again???
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)How young do you think we are?
MichMan
(12,001 posts)FBaggins
(26,783 posts)At roughly the comparable age, the Boomers were inheriting the assets of the Greatest Generation... but Millennials' parents (those same Boomers) aren't dying as early.
Sympthsical
(9,167 posts)Not something I've ever seen someone bring up in this context.
I checked, and the life expectancy difference between 1989 and 2015 is 3.5 years, the two years the author is using as comparison.
FBaggins
(26,783 posts)For this one, you'll want to look at the life expectancy for people born 100-110 years ago vs. people born about 70 years ago. Not the average age of death in 1989 vs 2015.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,926 posts)If you have them in your late teens and early twenties, your kids will need to live at least another 60 years before any inheritance. If you have your kids in your late 30s, maybe even your 40s, there's a lot less waiting time.
Just saying.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,543 posts)Thom Hartmann: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1543463394996408321
Caliman73
(11,760 posts)While no one ever really paid the top tax brackets in the 90% from FDR down to the 70%s during Kennedy's term, it still changed behavior. To avoid paying taxes, the wealthy had to at least put some of the money back into their companies.
There has been a 50 year push to shift the tax system from getting the wealthy to pay their share, onto the working and middle class. When Reagan was governor of California the state paid 80% of the cost of a degree, by the time he was president, the percentages were inverting to where the State pays maybe around 20% and people who want to get a degree pay more than 80% having to take on debt.
The luxuries of society go to the wealthiest while the rest of us are shouldering an ever increasing amount of the financial burden for those necessities and luxuries.
Amishman
(5,559 posts)While major early life expenses such as education and house sales have outpaced overall inflation.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,543 posts)See, e.g.,
From kpete's post in 2019: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212789611
applegrove
(118,880 posts)the US have had in ages.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)applegrove
(118,880 posts)LT Barclay
(2,613 posts)dust in the basement.
OldBaldy1701E
(5,195 posts)LT Barclay
(2,613 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(5,195 posts)I bet you are sad that you removed yourself from that rig in the holodeck now, eh? With that kind of brain power, you just might figure out a way to fix all of this!
LT Barclay
(2,613 posts)But I think this episode covers how to fix things:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708702/
Its similar to a Ray Bradbury story called the Toynbee Convector.
Basically if we decide on a better future we can make it happen.
OldBaldy1701E
(5,195 posts)Convincing all the self absorbed and shallow minded that we all have to do our part to get there is the issue. And, when you have a percentage of the population that, thanks to their riches (and the general consensus that having it makes them special), doesn't have to listen to anyone else... well, you get where we are now.
LT Barclay
(2,613 posts)great ideas about Democracy that probably could have averted some of our more disasterous pitfalls. Once is the shaming of people that didn't participate in politics. Their word became our word "idiot". I also liked their idea of banishing 1 politician per year. I guess we don't have to make them leave the county, but 10 years out of politics and off of TV would be nice.
But I get extremely distressed wondering how we can fix real environmental issues when we can't even get many people to stop littering!
OldBaldy1701E
(5,195 posts)Initech
(100,129 posts)Everything from housing to cars to the TV we watch to video games. No one has ownership of anything anymore. And they're laughing all the way to the bank.
artemisia1
(756 posts)grandchildren? Ya think?
SYFROYH
(34,185 posts)I'm an early Gen Xer and things were mostly OK.
Kaleva
(36,384 posts)"College attendance and completion higher among millennials than youngest baby boomers
College attendance among people who graduated high school or earned a GED before age 21 rose dramatically for two generations of Americans born 20 years apart. About 44 percent of high school completers born between 1960 and 1964 attended a 2-year or 4-year college. That compares with 73 percent of high school completers born between 1980 and 1984."
https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2019/college-attendance-and-completion-higher-among-millennials-than-youngest-baby-boomers.htm
Calista241
(5,586 posts)I went back to my college last year for a visit, and it's like some fancy Club Med, rich person's vacation home. All the students live in these enormous 3 bedroom apartments that would cost $4k+ a month here in the city, and those are all the on-campus housing. Long gone are the bunk bed / roommate situations I had in college.
It was $15k / year in the late 90 / early 2000's when I went there (and I thought that was outrageously expensive), and it's close to $60k year now. Who can pay that? That was less than 20 years ago. It's not like I'm comparing costs from the 60's or 70's.
Kaleva
(36,384 posts)That's tuition, fees, books and room and board
https://nmu.edu/tuition#numbers
https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/northern-michigan-university/paying-for-college/room-and-board/
One can save even more by attending a community college for the first 2 years and then transferring to a state university.
https://www.gogebic.edu/admissions/tuitionrates.html
The above are based on the student being a resident of Michigan.
Total cost for 2 years at the community college followed by 2 years at the state university is about $86k
Sympthsical
(9,167 posts)When I was in high school, the idea of college wasn't even really an option. It was understood that you were going. Period. Everything was structured and geared towards it. Only the really dumb kids (you know, those losers in auto shop) weren't going to college. What are they going to be, some kind of mechanic?!
"Don't worry about paying for it. You're taken care of. Just sign these loans. And then you'll be making six figures because college. So easy to pay off!"
It is almost criminal how colleges and banks are allowed to prey on literal teenagers in the way they are. The people who were supposed to be looking out for you, the administrators, the counselors, etc. They were oftentimes the ones pushing hardest. No one along the chain was standing there saying, "Are you sure this is a good idea? Are you prepared to be paying this for the next fifteen to twenty years?"
Just never came up.
It's funny. I'm in my early 40s and returned to college. The second I enrolled, these people appeared like some kind of genie from hell. *POOF* "Loan? Loan?! Do you need a loan?!!!!! It's so affordable!!!!!!111!!! Loooooaaaaaaans!!!!!" Jesus Christ. No, I'll be paying for all this, thanks. I will take that hit to my savings any day of the week over that Kafka system all over again. I just got out of it in my mid-30s. I'm not going back.
maxrandb
(15,378 posts)and the "Fuck you, I get mine" generation that come before them.
Millennials have NEVER lived in a country that valued labor a much as it valued wealth.
They've never lived in a country that used the GI Bill to lift millions out of poverty. They've had to take on debt, just to join the rat race.
They've never lived in a country where a defined benefit Pension Program was the norm for 25-30 years of blood, sweat and tears.
They've never lived in a country that offered them they same economic support benefits their parents enjoyed.
They've never lived in a country where their quality of life was not dependent on the crumbs from the wealthy folks table.
But, they will continue to vote Retrumplican because...who the hell knows, but I'm sure there is some reason folks continue to support a party that had done nothing but fuck them over.