People, including some pundits in the news media, need to stop fooling themselves.

[fightforfreedom]

Trump and his inner circle are in big, big, trouble. On Jan 6th crimes were committed. Crimes that cannot be ignored. To say Garland will not do anything, has not done anything, is ridiculous. To say there is not enough evidence to indict people is laughable.

If Garland does not hold Trump and his inner circle accountable, he would become part of the conspiracy to over throw the government of the United States. It would be dereliction of duty. It would end our democracy, the rule of law. Not happening, let's get real.

The public evidence against Trump and his inner circle is overwhelming evidence. For example, On Jan 6th the crowd sent by Trump obstructed congress during an official act which is a felony. Trump and his inner circle have admitted they wanted to delay the count, which they did. They gave it a name, the Green Bay Sweep. You cannot obstruct congress for any reason, they committed a felony. They admitted to it. This will not be difficult to prove in court.

Trumps tweet during the riot is proof he incited the riot. Trump doing nothing for 187 minutes while the capital was being stormed is proof he wanted it to happen. Trump knew people were armed when he sent them to the capital.

Trump knew the election was not stolen and for people to say that Trump can simply say he listened to Rudy and Powell will give him deniability is fucking stupid. Anyone sitting on a jury would see right through that bullshit.

There is now evidence of witness tampering which is an admission of guilt. People refusing to testify, ignoring subpoenas is an admission of guilt.

There is also evidence of fraud being committed. Fake electors, etc. These are just a few of the crimes that have been committed and must be investigated by the DOJ.

Why has Garland not been showing, telling us more? I don't know, I can only make a guess. It could be because this is the largest fucking conspiracy in the history of our country. It could be they are still gathering evidence, waiting for the committee to hand over their evidence, which is now happening. Justice is coming, if you don't believe so, you are fooling yourself.

[secondwind]

1. Garland will do what needs to be done at the appropriate time.

Just my two cents.

[captain queeg]

2. I think so too. He's playing it cautious

You know the RWers will be screaming witch hunt. The evedence is mounting, so those claims will be ridiculous. I think he knows what he is doing,

[rampartc]

5. the clock is ticking

the committee needs to start campaigning soon, and will be losing at least two very important members.

how long from indictment to trial? if trump is not convicted, even an 11-1 mistrial ,president for life trump may be appointing garland's successor before opening statements.

[Boomerproud]

3. The pundits are so afraid to go there.

We are all paying for it.

[samplegirl]

4. They need to start

talking reality.

[mopinko]

6. i want to see all midterm polls w an *

*unless indicted over jan6.
put it behind the name of every damn serving thug, whether it's come up in the hearings or not.

[gab13by13]

7. Oh but I can say that Garland did nothing,

Garland has a record to run on.

1. Failed to indict "individual one," the same crime that Michael Cohen went to jail for.
2. Failed to indict Trump for obstruction of justice crimes laid out by Mueller.
3. Failed to indict Trump for witness tampering.
4. Failed to indict a pro-Trump, fake Cyber Ninja company that violated Federal election law Title 52 that states that ballots, voter information, election equipment and material are to remain in the possession of election officials for 22 months. Garland only wrote a stern letter which was disregarded. Not prosecuting the Cyber Ninjas gave credence to the Big Lie and allowed more fraudits to spread across the country.

Have the Cyber Ninjas turned over documents yet that a judge ordered them to turn over because of a FOIA requested filed by private citizens? The Cyber Ninjas won't do anything because it was a fake company with a mailbox for an office.

Andrew Weismann was overruled by Mueller, he wanted to challenge the notion that a sitting president can't be indicted. It also appears a former president can't either.

[fightforfreedom]

16. Most of your examples where trashed by AG Barr. Barr put an end to them.

Some of the things you want to happen are no longer feasible. Barr ended them. Do you really think it is feasible to go back and litigate the Mueller report after the AG at the time said no crimes were committed? Not happening.

[Mad_Machine76]

39. Mueller didn't unequivocally

declare that "no crimes were committed" nor exonerate Trump- and he noted a pattern of obstruction of his investigation.

And former AG Bill Barr isn't exactly the most credible person in the world either.

[Beastly Boy]

22. It's the second time you are posting this exact same thing in less than a week

https://democraticunderground.com/100216898030#post7

And it appears you didn't even bother to pay attention to the responses the first time around.

[Beastly Boy]

34. Perhaps.

And some things are worth paying attention to. So consider my link to the responses among things worth repeating and paying attention to.. I certainly don't think they are worth ignoring, especially the second time around.

[DownriverDem]

8. Too many people

don't understand how the law works. They know what they want and they want it now. That's not how it works. Try focusing on the Midterms.

[gab13by13]

11. How did the law work for "individual one"

and the 10 obstruction of justice crimes that Mueller laid out for DOJ? The only reason that Mueller didn't indict Trump was because he believed he couldn't indict a sitting president. After Trump left office what was Merrick Garland's excuse? The statute of limitations has run out on those crimes, that's how I understand how the law works.

[progressoid]

9. I understand your enthusiasm but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Trump will walk.

[KS Toronado]

27. Not going to hold my breath also

But I'll bet you $100 FailedCoupGuy is booked into jail before the next Presidential election.

[Wednesdays]

10. And the January 6th Committee isn't done!

They're not even halfway done, IMO.

And the DOJ not springing on Rump and his cronies now is because they're giving them enough rope to hang themselves even further. Case in point: yesterday's revelation of witness-tampering!

[gab13by13]

13. The select committee is a legislative committee

with no authority to indict anyone. When the select committee sent criminal referrals to DOJ the only referral it acted on was Steve Bannon's.

The select committee is nearing its end.

[True Blue American]

28. The Committee is now

Turning over the evidence to the Justice Department. They are working together.

Reminds me of the fake poll. That came out a few days ago about Biden’s low polls. Many went into,” Oh, my God mode! Biden must not run in 2024.!l”

Of all people it took Scarborough 2 minutes to demolish that poll. Biden is much more popular with women and the young, also those with Bachelor Degrees. Trump had a good share of the older and those who did not have degrees.

[Paladin]

12. I'll be astounded if trump is convicted before I pass away.

And I'm younger than trump.

[LiberalFighter]

14. Some of that needs to be presented to Garland.

Especially paragraph two.

[True Blue American]

29. It all is!

[jalan48]

15. Merrick Garland is not a strong voice. Robert Kennedy was an AG with a strong voice.

[Farmer-Rick]

17. We have seen this game before

We have seen Federal AGs do nothing in the face of overwhelming evidence of executive members committing crimes. Voters waited and waited and waited.......and nothing happened.

[fightforfreedom]

21. Yes, corrupt AGs.

Do you believe Garland is corrupt? Everything that has happened in the past is irrelevant. What has happened is unprecedented in our history. Using examples of inaction or corruption in the past and saying it will happen again is not wise.

[Farmer-Rick]

26. I don't think all of the inactive Federal AGs we're corrupt

Some were taking cues from their presidents because they agreed with whatever justification or legal wrangling the president offered. The AGs themselves were never prosecuted for ignoring crimes.

Look at all the monopolies and regional monopolies allowed in the US. Yet starting under Reagan, these monopolies are not prosecuted under well established anti trust laws.

[True Blue American]

30. No, Garland is brilliant.

He knows how to build an air tight case.

[inthewind21]

35. you base this on what?

What are these cases you speak of?

[True Blue American]

40. On what I know of his background,

His former Professors, friends, people who have worked with him.

And Obama and Biden’s faith in him.

[Sogo]

41. Lead prosecutor on the OK City bombing....

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/01/merrick-garland-oklahoma-city-timothy-mcveigh-attorney-general

Merrick Garland's 'flawless' work in Oklahoma City crucial in white supremacy fight

...

But the lead prosecutor dispatched by Washington to Oklahoma a day after the bombing, Merrick Garland, demonstrated a particularly honed sense for what the investigation required and how to deliver it, according to former colleagues.

...

[BlueJac]

19. If nothing gets done to Trump our country is toast!

The laws are supposed to apply to everyone! Rich or poor.

[Rebl2]

24. Yep

[moniss]

23. The problem

here is a rogue juror and/or the GQP pardoning everyone once they're back in power. That's if the cases even get decided before the GQP regains power and quashes any further investigation/prosecutions. They've openly stated that as their intent.

[fightforfreedom]

25. I guess we should just give up then. Why bother.

[moniss]

32. Not at all

but the idea that these folks are going to see major punishment is not certain either and I spelled out a few reasons why. I'm simply being real about how big power works in this country. I've lived through it all from the 1950's on up. Certainly the information coming out is more and more damning but you're talking about perpetrators who have no shame or remorse for anything. Sociopaths. They don't care about the effect of their actions on their own families. Some of the elected/appointed/career people aren't much better. I think Chairman Thompson et al were rightly concerned about just turning over all materials immediately to DOJ. There was every good chance that info would be leaked to the higher ups so that they would see what DOJ knew and where they might go next. They could then strategize to destroy evidence, intimidate/compromise witnesses and see what they could do to "dirty up" any witnesses for example.

As much as we want to see accountability we need to ask ourselves about what we have seen. Nixon? Retires to a life of luxury in California. Reagan? Hailed as a hero and a saint. CIA Torture? A report gets issued that is heavily redacted and much is never released to this day. The deck chairs get shuffled. Mueller? His own prosecutors resign in protest. Much of the Mueller report is still not released and what has been released is replete with evidence of serious crimes. Stone and Manafort get convicted and pardoned. So selling out the country to one of our biggest enemies got what for accountability? We care. They don't. I would like nothing better than to see Roger Stone rot in a cell and the same for all of them. But a long memory of the past gives me pause about real accountability.

[inthewind21]

37. Exactly

[BlackSkimmer]

31. We all know he's guilty of numerous crimes.

But he’s not going to ever go to jail. No way, no how.

Your faith is endearing, however.

[Sogo]

38. I hope that someday soon you will be able to lean back and say, "I told you so."

Question: If there were a DOJ grand jury in place now, would we know about it?

[True Blue American]

42. No

[fightforfreedom]

43. There is a grand jury in place.

[Novara]

44. There is so much we still don't know

Predicting the future is kind of silly. From what we've seen it looks wholly damning. And I'm sure there's a lot the the public doesn't know and my never know.

I am encouraged that the committee is now working with the DOJ to get materials in their hands.