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H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 02:28 PM Jul 2022

Creatures from Under a Rock

Last edited Thu Jul 14, 2022, 04:11 PM - Edit history (1)

“I fear that if he loses the presidential election in 2020, there will never be a peaceful transition of power.” Michael Cohen; closing statement to Congress.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/27/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-oversight-committee-russia/index.html


What type of lawyer would chose to be associated with Donald Trump? This discussion with friends yesterday was prompted by one noting that Rudy Giuliani's looking remarkably like Simon Bar Sinister. I noted that his sidekick Sidney Powell looks and acts like Simon's sidekick, Cad. (This is not related to my having been the underdog in a couple of my boxing matches.)

What rock did Powell come out from under, my friend asked. She has had a curious career, I said. She was appointed to serve as an assistant federal attorney fresh out of law school. Some in the legal field assumed she got this position by being a talented lawyer, though others came to suspect it was a result of assuming other positions. Bitter that she wasn't appointed to the federal bench, Powell went on to take the position of a defense attorney for some of the Enron scum.

In that position, Powell's vile attacks were directed towards Andrew Weissmann. Then she wrote her non-best seller, "License to Lie," a title that sounds a tad prophetic now. Like Rudy, she has faced consequences for her role in attempting to overthrow our government. Like Rudy and Michael Cohen, that includes the suspension of her license to practice law.

Cohen had represented Trump's business dealings with organized crime before Donald became president. This included coordinating efforts with Rudy, who had close ties in New York City with organized crime. But unlike Rudy or Sidney, Cohen would attempt to redeem himself, and warned about the potential for an insurrection when Biden crushed Trump in the 2020 presidential election.

John Eastman's history includes clerking for Clarence Thomas. He ran for Congress in California in 1990, getting less than 40% of the vote, then went on to lose the republican primary for the California Attorney General, getting less that 35% of the vote. Eastman has been a rabid opponent of same-sex marriage, in his position with the Federalist Society.

John's willingness to spread any lie came to the surface in his Newsweek op-ed of August 12, 2020, when he claimed that Kamala Harris was not an American citizen, and thus disqualified for being vice president. He is gutter slime.
https://www.newsweek.com/some-questions-kamala-harris-about-eligibility-opinion-1524483

Two lawyers that I think are institutionalists associated with Trump are Pat Cipollone and Ty Cobb. I view Pat as an egghead with an impressive yolk of knowledge, thus making Cobb the walrus. I do note that in the past two weeks, Cobb has said that he thinks Trump commited crimes associated with the insurrection, and should be prosecuted. Though I do not agree with their work to defend Trump during his presidency, I do respect both as capable lawyers. But they knew he was a criminal, and in "protecting the office of the presidency," failed the nation by not speaking out honestly.

That leaves the one I consider a bit of a wild card, Eric Herschmann. In much of his legal career, he represented the energy corporation Souther Union Company, and Citibank. When he became one of Trump's legal team during the first impeachment trial, I was reminded of James Baker, the energy corporation lawyer closely associated with the Bush family. Back in this form's early years, we used to discuss how individuals associated with politically powerful corporations at times stepped out from behind the curtain, sometimes to provide a degree of stability to a damaged administration, such as George W. Bush's. Energy corporations, including international ones, desire a stable US government, no matter how incompetent it is on a variety of domestic issues.

Might this in part explain what Sidney Powell, in her only true statement in decades, said that Herschmann held Trump in contempt? Certainly, the clips that the J6 Committee has aired show utter contempt for thr Rudy-Sidney-Eastman types -- including Jeffrey Clark, the anti-environmental attorney who had argued that the EPA could not set limits on enegy corporations' carbon emissions. While he played a role of slime in the attack on Hunter Biden, and deserves zero respect for remaining silent at the time, at least he refused to join the effort to overthrow our government.

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Creatures from Under a Rock (Original Post) H2O Man Jul 2022 OP
Simon Bar Sinister, Cad, Underdog, and Polly Purebred ... Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #1
Beauty! H2O Man Jul 2022 #5
I never noticed the resemblence before Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #16
Plus the two H2O Man Jul 2022 #17
that comment stuck out to me, too. mopinko Jul 2022 #2
Right. H2O Man Jul 2022 #6
yup. mopinko Jul 2022 #9
I'm thinking that H2O Man Jul 2022 #11
Don't unleash the Kraken. Hand me the fish sauce! Kid Berwyn Jul 2022 #3
Last night, H2O Man Jul 2022 #7
Pixley. Coopville. Which came first? Kid Berwyn Jul 2022 #19
Herschmann cracks me up Saoirse9 Jul 2022 #4
Eric H is a H2O Man Jul 2022 #8
LOL lots of great one liners Saoirse9 Jul 2022 #10
He is quick H2O Man Jul 2022 #12
Yes like Bandy Lee Saoirse9 Jul 2022 #13
Dr. Lee was attacked H2O Man Jul 2022 #14
We're already in a Nazi-like society Saoirse9 Jul 2022 #15
Yes. H2O Man Jul 2022 #18
Hedge master? Do tell n/t Saoirse9 Jul 2022 #20
It was at a time H2O Man Jul 2022 #21
Really cool Saoirse9 Jul 2022 #22

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,342 posts)
16. I never noticed the resemblence before
Fri Jul 15, 2022, 03:26 PM
Jul 2022

Simon and the Rude Ghoul are nearly twins.

The incident of the running hair dye actually may have been someone getting some of The Dip (from Who Framed Roger Rabbit) onto Rudy's head. His expression seems to back this up:




We have cartoon villains at work across the country. The problem is that the harm they do is terribly real. I'm hoping the great mass of apathy amongst the non-voters has been lifted by Roe and the radical Republicans' agenda.

Kid Berwyn

(14,897 posts)
3. Don't unleash the Kraken. Hand me the fish sauce!
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 04:04 PM
Jul 2022


Send the school and all the component pupils to Devil’s Island.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
7. Last night,
Fri Jul 15, 2022, 09:46 AM
Jul 2022

watching the news, I saw reports that Trump's current legal team thinks they can sacrifice Meadows to save Trump. They are willing, of course, to quote Ehrlichman, "Well, I think we ought to let him hang there. Let him twist slowly, twist slowly in the wind.” As if Meadows won't turn on Trump.

Kid Berwyn

(14,897 posts)
19. Pixley. Coopville. Which came first?
Fri Jul 15, 2022, 05:41 PM
Jul 2022

If you have not seen, grab your favorite stash, get set to laugh.

Saoirse9

(3,676 posts)
4. Herschmann cracks me up
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 05:25 PM
Jul 2022

"Repeat after me. Peaceful transition." I feel like out of all of them he's the most honest. Time will tell if he stays honest.

I am very disappointed in Patsy Baloney (nickname for Pat Cippolone after a closed caption misspelled his name). But at least he's telling the truth now. He could have told the truth in the first impeachment trial and saved this country a lot of grief and death. He has blood on his hands.

All of them do. Garland must indict. If he doesn't HE will have blood on his hands. If tfg isn't jailed he will do it again.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
8. Eric H is a
Fri Jul 15, 2022, 09:57 AM
Jul 2022

strange fellow. I have a strong dislike for all of those involved in attacking Hunter Biden. But he has provided a number of great quotes that give us a window into the utter contempt he held Trump & Co in. I'll list a few of my favorites:

"Do you even know who the fuck I am, you idiot," -- to Patrick Byrne of Overstock

"What are you, three years old? Are you out of your fucking mind? -- to Sidney Powell

"Are you out of your effing mind? You're completely crazy,” -- to John Eastman

"Get a great f'ing criminal defense lawyer. You're going to need it," -- to John Eastman

"Good, effing A-hole, congratulations. You just admitted your first step or act you take as attorney general would be committing a felony." -- to Jeffrey Clark

Saoirse9

(3,676 posts)
10. LOL lots of great one liners
Fri Jul 15, 2022, 10:02 AM
Jul 2022

Funny people are always really smart.

Not many of the people surrounding tfg were very funny. Or very smart.

I sometimes think that one of the reasons tfg was unsuccessful with his coup is that his staff were monumentally stupid. Except for this guy.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
12. He is quick
Fri Jul 15, 2022, 10:16 AM
Jul 2022

with his responses. I do like that.

As a group, they lacked the ability to reach their goals. But they came far too close for comfort. The powers-that-be were largely unprepared for the attack -- not limited to the riot at the Capital -- likely because few understood the dangers posed by a sociopath in power. Yet there were numerous voices sounding the alarm.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
14. Dr. Lee was attacked
Fri Jul 15, 2022, 10:33 AM
Jul 2022

in ways that got her ignored by the mainstream media, and Rudy got her fired from Yale. There were, of course, places on the internet where her voice continued to be heard. But she has paid a hell of a price for speaking out.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
18. Yes.
Fri Jul 15, 2022, 03:33 PM
Jul 2022

I was surprised that some of the "liberal" media sources, including MSNBC, stopped having her on. Thank goodness we had other platforms such as DU. Reminded me of my great (x7) grandfather being a hedge master in Ireland in the 1790s.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
21. It was at a time
Fri Jul 15, 2022, 07:39 PM
Jul 2022

when it was as illegal to teach Irish Catholics to read & write, as it was to teach those in the US held in slavery. Hence, Richard held classes out along the hedges lining the roads. He wasn't the only one, of course, and he taught much more than that. Some of his writings are in the Royal Irish Academy. He was the poet of the United Irishmen in the 1798 uprising, sentenced to hang. But he was eventually released.

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