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CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 09:53 PM Jul 2022

That little 10 year old girl in Ohio who was raped and impregnated?

she was actually 9 YEARS OLD when she was impregnated:

It’s a horrifying story. The girl was reportedly only 9 at the time she became pregnant, half the legal age of consent (this was rape under all possible fact patterns) and a time in her life when she should be worried about losing her baby teeth, not having a baby of her own.

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/ohio-rape-victim-saga-shows-pundits-and-politicians-shouldnt-launch-witch-hunts-before-figuring-out-if-witchery-is-even-afoot/

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That little 10 year old girl in Ohio who was raped and impregnated? (Original Post) CatWoman Jul 2022 OP
FUCK THE GOP. Blue Owl Jul 2022 #1
I would BOSSHOG Jul 2022 #11
Yep. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #14
It's appalling that an institution that has lost wnylib Jul 2022 #20
I agree. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #21
I don't agree with your assessment of wnylib Jul 2022 #22
As you can see I singled out Christianity, which is destroying this country's democracy. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #31
+1 DLevine Jul 2022 #35
Oh, yeah. There was definitely an angry wnylib Jul 2022 #36
And received billions in loans TxGuitar Jul 2022 #38
Brought to you by the pro rape party of America vercetti2021 Jul 2022 #2
The Party of Family Values! RKP5637 Jul 2022 #3
Need to be sent to hell vercetti2021 Jul 2022 #9
The Pro-assault party. Tikki Jul 2022 #16
It doesn't change how horrendous this was - Ms. Toad Jul 2022 #4
no, it doesn't change the level of horrendousness CatWoman Jul 2022 #5
I worked in a rape crisis center for 10 years. Ms. Toad Jul 2022 #6
hats off to you CatWoman Jul 2022 #8
I didn't lose all my baby teeth until I was 14 years old, DemocraticPatriot Jul 2022 #7
+100 Rhiannon12866 Jul 2022 #17
And the alleged rapist is 55, I think. niyad Jul 2022 #10
OMG Demobrat Jul 2022 #12
The news identified the rapist as Gerson Fuentes, 27. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2022 #18
They arrested that guy but some of the things I have read make me question whether or not it's him. gldstwmn Jul 2022 #19
His age is 27. Where did you get 55 from? wnylib Jul 2022 #23
Something that I read earlier yesterday. niyad Jul 2022 #24
This article says 57 Polybius Jul 2022 #25
The article is wrong. LisaL Jul 2022 #27
He is 27. Picture is widely available. nt BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #29
To republicans, the rapist is a 'parent' who has parental rights. His family can even profit from it keithbvadu2 Jul 2022 #13
Thanks for saving me a lot of typing. usaf-vet Jul 2022 #15
I must admit, I did not know a ten year old girl could get pregnant. fightforfreedom Jul 2022 #26
Puberty for girls usually starts between the ages of 8 and 13 Emile Jul 2022 #28
I am so old. Delphinus Jul 2022 #30
Average age of menarche has been dropping for a long time. SYFROYH Jul 2022 #32
Or perhaps it's crap added to feed to make animals mature faster for market. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #34
+1, uponit7771 Jul 2022 #37
The radicalized Republican party needs to be ousted at every level. GOTV! Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #33

Blue Owl

(50,490 posts)
1. FUCK THE GOP.
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 09:56 PM
Jul 2022

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BOSSHOG

(37,096 posts)
11. I would
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 11:04 PM
Jul 2022

Reserve some of that fornicating for the Catholic Church, a domestic enemy of the constitution which still enjoys its tax exempt status. Thank You Blue Owl for your passion.

wnylib

(21,585 posts)
20. It's appalling that an institution that has lost
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 12:06 AM
Jul 2022

all credibility on moral issues due to its abuse of children and protection of the perpetrators even dares to claim authority on the issue of the health and lives of women.

Catholics and Evangelicals are turning a democracy into a theocracy. If left unchecked, I would expect to see the Catholic Church reviving the Inquisition and the fundie Evangelicals submitting spectral evidence to the SC.

That is only partly hyperbole.



Sky Jewels

(7,133 posts)
21. I agree.
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 12:10 AM
Jul 2022

The Big Three patriarchal monotheisms are a pox on the planet, and Christianity in particular is a pox on this country, because it is the dominant supernatural mythology.

wnylib

(21,585 posts)
22. I don't agree with your assessment of
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 12:28 AM
Jul 2022

the "Big Three."

Neither Judaism nor Islam are trying to turn our republic into a theocracy. Abortion is permissible in most sects of both Judaism and Islam. And Christianity, too, for that matter.

It is the Evangelical and Catholic churches that are pushing their beliefs on everyone else.

Sky Jewels

(7,133 posts)
31. As you can see I singled out Christianity, which is destroying this country's democracy.
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 12:46 PM
Jul 2022

But the very framing of the three monotheisms is incredibly harmful the world over. There's one angry male god who is the creator and ruler of the entire universe (apparently "he" focuses on this one little planet amongst trillions, but that's another discussion). All the other characters in the mythologies that have any consequence are male (Jesus, Mohummud, Abraham, Moses). In Christianity, the two main females are Eve (who gets blamed for the downfall of humanity) and Mary (who gets raped by the angry sky god). The damage to women's psyches and lives over centuries from these ridiculous stories is beyond calculation. The power imbalance of the planet in terms of men controlling women is in large part due to these evil tall tales being accepted as "true."

wnylib

(21,585 posts)
36. Oh, yeah. There was definitely an angry
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 07:03 PM
Jul 2022

God in OT stories, alongside stories of a merciful and forgiving God in the Old Testament. Societies grow and change over time, and so do their customs and beliefs.

In a non religious context, look how democracy changed in the US over time, from a nation that had slaves and denied women and certain ethnic/racial groups the right to vote. There were people at the time of the nation's birth who advocated for the end of slavery and for universal voting rights, but slavery did not end until the 1860s. Women did not get the right to vote until 1920. Native Americans did not become citizens in their own land until 1922, with the right to vote. And former slaves were denied their rights even after they were legally established. There are STILL people who are trying to suppress voting rights for minorities and women, and a court that is taking rights away from people. But we - especially Dems - do not toss out democracy because of that. We continue to support it against the Luddites who try to turn back the clock.

Religions change over time, too, as societies change. But even in the past, Jewish literature included Sarah as the mother of nations, along with Abraham. There is an OT book named for a woman (Esther) whose courage and cleverness saves her people from annihilation under Babylonian rule. There was also Deborah, a "judge" of Israel. And the story whose characters are female in the loyalty between Ruth and Naomi.

I am not minimizing the tales of cruelty and misogyny in the Bible, or how they have been used in the past against women. I am saying that religions change and grow over time as society does.

The Eve story has been used against women for millennia. Anthropology provides some context for the origin of the story. The ancient Hebrews were a nomadic herding people before they became the nation of Israel in Canaan. The neighboring societies were settled agricultural people who practiced fertility religions that included sexual ceremonies with temple priestesses. In some cases, ritual sacrifice of a priest (or king) was part of the ceremonies. The snake was a symbol of fertility among those people. In that context, the story of Adam and Eve was a condemnation of those rituals. That does not excuse how women were villified over it. It is just how it originated.

In the NT Gospels, Jesus criticizes the sexual double standard when he comes across men ready to stone a woman for adultery. In another NT story, he draws attention to a sick woman at a synagogue. The custom of the time was for women to be at the outer fringes of the synagogue (if they went at all) and to be ignored. He then heals her.

When Jesus visits two sisters in their home, one fusses about preparing a meal to serve him. The other one gets into a theological discussion with Jesus. The custom was for women to serve men and to leave theological discussions and debates to men. But when the one sister (Martha) complains that her sister (Mary) is not helping her, Jesus says that Mary has made the right choice for herself.

That does not excuse misogyny in Christianity. It does show how customs and religion can and do change over time. There are still religious extremists, just as there are political extremists. When they merge together, they are a serious threat to democracy and to civilization. There are many mainline religious people who see the threat, too. It makes no sense to discard them for being religious. We need all the help and votes that we can get. Alienating them will not help to save democracy.


Tikki

(14,559 posts)
16. The Pro-assault party.
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 11:19 PM
Jul 2022

Pro assault (molestation and rape)…children.
Pro assault-rifle…children.

Tikki

Ms. Toad

(34,086 posts)
4. It doesn't change how horrendous this was -
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 10:03 PM
Jul 2022

But the age of consent in Ohio is 16, as it is in 32 other states (unless the two are close in age) in which case (in Ohio) it is as low as 13.

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
5. no, it doesn't change the level of horrendousness
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 10:05 PM
Jul 2022

but come on, 9 YEARS OLD?????

a grown man raped and impregnated a 9 year old girl???

fuck this shit

Ms. Toad

(34,086 posts)
6. I worked in a rape crisis center for 10 years.
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 10:09 PM
Jul 2022

9 years is ancient compared to some of the victims I went through the rape exam with. I believe the youngest I personally provided support for was 4.

My only point was that 9 is not half or the age of consent, which is 16 in 33 states (including Ohio). A lot better than it use to be - many states used to be in the low teens.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,391 posts)
7. I didn't lose all my baby teeth until I was 14 years old,
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 10:09 PM
Jul 2022

when the dentist removed several that loved me too much to leave on their own..


Carrying a baby to term at 10 years old is so obviously a threat to the life of "the mother", it staggers the mind that this discussion even has to take place...

Rhiannon12866

(205,895 posts)
17. +100
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 11:34 PM
Jul 2022

No child is capable of surviving childbirth, she's still physically a child. The capability of getting pregnant at that age also has to be extremely unusual.

wnylib

(21,585 posts)
23. His age is 27. Where did you get 55 from?
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 12:37 AM
Jul 2022

But 27 is still adulthood and the rape was still horrendous.

keithbvadu2

(36,887 posts)
13. To republicans, the rapist is a 'parent' who has parental rights. His family can even profit from it
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 11:12 PM
Jul 2022


https://imgur.com/gallery/XTvJtSo

Rapist's family can deny abortion

Tweet link :


Article : https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/15/us/idaho-republican-primary-little-mcgeachin.html

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Rapist's family can profit from the rape.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=idaho+family+of+rapist+deny+abortion

Notably, Idaho's ban allows rapists and their family members to essentially profit off their victim's pregnancy

usaf-vet

(6,200 posts)
15. Thanks for saving me a lot of typing.
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 11:16 PM
Jul 2022
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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
26. I must admit, I did not know a ten year old girl could get pregnant.
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 07:46 AM
Jul 2022

It must be rare? I feel very bad for her, none of this is her fault. This little girl is being victimized in so many ways by evil people.

Delphinus

(11,840 posts)
30. I am so old.
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 09:04 AM
Jul 2022

I started menstruating the summer between seventh and eight grade. That would have made me 13 (12 or 13, cannot recall).

I did not realize how much had changed with female bodies during my years. Wow.

SYFROYH

(34,183 posts)
32. Average age of menarche has been dropping for a long time.
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 12:52 PM
Jul 2022

Mostly due to better nutrition. Its a fascinating interaction between genes and environment.

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