A hospital in Central Texas told a physician not to treat an ectopic pregnancy - until it ruptured

[RandySF]

At least three medical facilities in Texas have counseled doctors that they should not treat pregnant women with certain complications because they might run afoul of the state’s abortion ban, according to the Texas Medical Association. The group says a hospital in Central Texas told a physician not to treat an ectopic pregnancy—which is not viable—until it ruptured. “Delayed or prevented care in this scenario creates a substantial risk for the patient’s future reproductive ability and poses serious risk to the patient’s immediate physical wellbeing,” the association said in a letter to regulators, according to the Dallas Morning News. Two other hospitals are reportedly telling doctors that if a woman’s water breaks too soon in the pregnancy they should just send her home to wait for the fetus to come out.




https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-docs-told-not-to-treat-some-pregnant-women-under-new-abortion-ban?via=twitter_page

[Vinca]

1. Guess it's known as the "kill the patient" approach.

[Tree Lady]

58. My daughter almost died from that

I wouldn't have her in this world if that was the law. Thankfully she lives in CA.

My other daughter who lives in Texas, her husband got a vasectomy years ago thank god.

My grandkids teens are boys but not into girls yet and my daughter will make sure they do the right thing.

I don't worry about the young family members in CA.

[Vinca]

60. I'm so happy she was able to get the proper treatment. For the life of me I don't

understand why politicians think they know more than doctors.

[JT45242]

2. Hippocratic oath anyone

Of course hospital management took a different oath... maximize shareholder wealth and minimize legal risk.

Instead of do no harm, first thing is protect us from the state AG. Of course, the medical malpractice lawsuits and costs are going to be astronomical. If I were an OB/GYN, I would be fleeing those states. Of course that's what the fascist leaders of Qrethuglucan party want only true believers in Gilead allowed to practice "medicine" in their states.

Ob/gyn already have the highest malpractice insurance rates, I can only imagine what these laws will do to them.

[3Hotdogs]

3. Fuck Hippocrates. Silly, old bastid doesn't know what he's talking 'bout.

I follow Jesus.





















Yes Arnold, it's sarcasm.

[woodsprite]

30. My ob/gyn told me when he retired that he had planned to teach

That was until he found his malpractice insurance would go up $50k!

It was a shame because he would have been an excellent teacher and mentor. My gyn/onco said he was one of the few ob/gyn’s he trusted that he would ask if he needed advice/questions answered, and would alternate my every-3-month follow up care with.

Gyn/onco just told me with this recurrence, he will see me every 3 mo. No alternating. The difference - I had to choose a new ob/gyn since mine retired and onco doesn’t know them/how they work well enough yet.

[BumRushDaShow]

4. This goes back over a decade to what Alan Grayson correctly noted

[halfulglas]

8. My addendum to this.

4. But not too quickly. Rack up some more medical bills before dying.

Repeated return visits to the ER can really rack up the costs before being admitted to the hospital, then dying.

[BumRushDaShow]

9. ...

[calimary]

28. I'm still a big fan of what he did here.

[BumRushDaShow]

34. Me too

I just wish Democrats hadn't run away from Obama and the ACA back in 2010 (of all times, when Citizen's United decided that year, was the fatal blow on the way to destroying our elections).

[uponit7771]

47. +1,

[catbyte]

5. I so hope that Texas turns blue soon. If not...

[niyad]

6. and the WAR ON WOMEN continues apace. I hate these woman-hating

gestational slavers. May they rot in their hell.

[True Blue American]

54. Agree and know

What I would like to do to each one of them!

[mopinko]

7. gonna be so many slam dunk malpractice cases.

[Freddie]

10. Women with wanted pregnancies

I know this is impossible, but there should be sanctuaries where they can live in “free states” during the pregnancy and birth so they can get proper care if something goes wrong.

[Novara]

11. Texas has its own version of the Hippocratic oath: stand by and watch women die

[ancianita]

12. Knowingly allowing harm to a patient breaks their hippocratic oath to "first, do no harm."

They should be charged, every single one, until they all lose their medical licenses.

There needs to be a law firm near every hospital.

No woman should walk into a hospital without a lawyer.

[sinkingfeeling]

13. It's not the doctors refusing. It's administrators acting

on behave of state Republican legislatures,none of which have a medical license.

[area51]

19. +1 n/t

[EndlessWire]

46. What are they supposed to do?

Docs operate in teams. They can't do a procedure alone. With laws like this, their only option is to port their skills to another state where they don't have to choose between saving a life and going to jail. Are we supposed to fault every single doc because some asshole nondoc decided that a nonviable fetus is worth more than a woman in trouble?

The medical community needs to start marching in their uniforms. But, most medicals are busy being on the job to save lives--just, not a woman with an ectopic pregnancy.

VOTE. EVERY. LAST. REPUB. OUT. OF. OFFICE.

The next dead woman might be your wife, sister, Mom, daughter, relative, or just your friend...all those people that help make your life worth living.

This is a display of dominance by someone with a tiny dick. It has nothing to do with reverence for life.

It's all nuts now. In every way possible.

[ancianita]

49. I hear you. Isn't that a question doctors as professionals have to answer?

You've put a lot of assumptions into my mouth that I'm not making. I raise a moral issue; you raise a compliance issue. We can both reasonably expect they're doing the best they can with what they've got to resolve them.

Sure, all lives matter. Anyway, this oath only appears outside medical schools as medical malpractice liability limits. We're seeing a process of sorting out their ethical issues in complying with laws they know the nation, in the majority, sees as unjust.

My drift is for the professionals to lead the way, not their bosses.

I stand with you to vote every last Republican out.

[EndlessWire]

52. Moral issues.

"You've put a lot of assumptions into my mouth that I'm not making." I don't understand this comment.

It doesn't matter what their individual attitudes are. They can always recuse themselves from a repugnant case. If they don't want to do abortions, they don't have to practice in that field. Perhaps post graduate training pushes some that way, but in the end they can choose not to participate. Ectopic pregnancies usually present as an emergency, however, so there is that to think about.

But, it's very draconian to suggest that all docs everywhere are guilty of malfeasance because they now have to adjust to watching their patients have a near death experience because some asshole politician thought he knew better. This isn't an ethics committee decision; it's a legislative decision made by complete idiots.

We are asking our docs, those guys and gals that toe the line, to break the new law. Where, as they defend their malpractice suits, they will either be asked, "Why did you break the law?" or "Why didn't you break the law and save my client?" They can't win.

They all know that an ectopic pregnancy will not produce a viable child. Hell, everyone knows this. It isn't so much an "I am pro life" comment by a politician as it is a "I don't care about the mother or female's position as to whether she can carry an ectopic fetus to term." This isn't a directive to revere life. It's a control issue by politicians who think it's cute to meddle with sound clinical judgement.

This is going to impact so many other facets of life with unintended consequences. Our country has gone mad. Must be a perpetual full moon up, or something.

[Icanthinkformyself]

14. Here's the issue.

Physicians want to use science as a guide where religion is the dominant consideration. It's not the woman's health that is the primary concern. The question is, what does the 'Big Book of Fairy tales and Myths' say and which interpretation they want to use.
The states that ban abortion are violating the religious rights of Jewish women.

[AllyCat]

55. And atheist women.

[70sEraVet]

15. Texas medical advice -- "the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."

[True Blue American]

18. Was that Gohmert?

[70sEraVet]

21. Rep. Todd Akin back in 2012, trying to convince us that pregnancy from rape never happens.

[calimary]

29. Both of 'em are ignorant fuckwads.

Two of the great 13th century minds of our time.

[True Blue American]

33. Agree!

I never realized how many ignorant, completely, unethical people we had in Fovernmeny. Raffensberger was on CSPANthis morning talking about ethics a d integrity.

Now that Ben Ginsberg and many Judges are trying to break them loose from Trump and restore the party is a big question. The Supteme Court and people like Mitch and the rest is killing them. They do not care!

[MagickMuffin]

40. However Todd isn't from Texas

I believe Missouri owns him.


They're everywhere, in every state. No state is safe from the oppressors.

[AllyCat]

16. If her water breaks prematurely, she needs preventative care

Including antibiotics to prevent chorioamnionitis and other infections, supportive care, and treatment for possible hemorrhage.

What is wrong with our country? This is death and disability for women!

[True Blue American]

17. Read this.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/29/ohio-extreme-abortion-bill-reimplant-ectopic-pregnancy

[IronLionZion]

20. Pro-life often means death

Ectopic pregnancy will never lead to a baby. Hospital should know that. The physician definitely knows. Someone who is not a physician made this decision, maybe a lawyer or administrator.

[70sEraVet]

22. No doubt it was the hospital's insurance company.

[EndlessWire]

48. I'm not saying that insurance companies are benevolent

but this arises because of the new laws coming out of the SC decision overturning Roe v. Wade.

It's hard to imagine that the Supremely Corrupted Court looks on with pride at their own ruling. "Look what I did, Ma!" The shame is just flowing from them.

[True Blue American]

35. There is nothing in Science that shows that. These politicians are killing women.

[bucolic_frolic]

23. Politicians and religious extremists are killing the patients. It's called murder.

And they should be charged with that crime.

All crime is local. Use the laws and ignore the politicians and zealots.

[ecstatic]

24. Is our side doing everything humanly possible to stop this?

I just can't believe this type of cruel, inhumane treatment is happening in the United States.

If we allow this to happen in Texas, it won't be long before it's happening in every state. We need to pool our resources now and flood Texas voters with information about what is happening in their state.

[True Blue American]

36. Already happening in Ohio. Yost and DeWine are in hiding.

[Joinfortmill]

25. This is insanity. I see a class action lawsuit brewing. Hope no one dies in the meantime.

[alphafemale]

26. Catholic and Baptist hospitals have always done this.

A woman should not go to a Catholic or Baptist hospital.

They will not do anything to treat a woman until they determine she is not pregnant if that treatment could harm a fetus.

[jaxexpat]

27. It's been a long time since hospitals cared more for their patients than their profits.

This abortion debacle exposes the ridiculously obvious misdirection of priorities we face in American healthcare.

[Historic NY]

31. WOW!!!! Thats crazy.

[Ziggysmom]

32. Coming from a mixed religious background of Catholic and Jewish ancestors, even my

Christian relatives have favored the Jewish belief that a fetus is part of a woman's body until it is viable after delivery. This FAQ from the National Council of Jewish Women outlines our beliefs. Our freedom of religion has been struck down in favor of Christian beliefs & denies our First Amendment rights. Lawsuits are coming but not soon enough. Innocent women will die.

Advocacy Resource
Judaism and Abortion
NCJW works to ensure that every single person can make their own moral and faith-informed decisions about their body, health, and future. Our Jewish values compel us to support full access to safe and legal abortion care as basic health care. Below is a Q&A regarding some common misconceptions about Judaism and abortion.
 Does Jewish law state that life begins at conception? No, life does not begin at conception under Jewish law. Sources in the Talmud note that the fetus is “mere water” before 40 days of gestation. Following this period, the fetus is considered a physical part of the pregnant individual’s body, not yet having life of its own or independent rights. The fetus is not viewed as separate from the parent’s body until birth begins and the first breath of oxygen into the lungs allows the soul to enter the body.
 Does Jewish law assert that it is possible to murder a fetus? No, Jewish law does not consider a fetus to be alive. The Torah, Exodus 21:22-23, recounts a story of two men who are fighting and injure a pregnant woman, resulting in her subsequent miscarriage. The verse explains that if the only harm done is the miscarriage, then the perpetrator must pay a fine. However, if the pregnant person is gravely injured, the penalty shall be a life for a life as in other homicides. The common rabbinical interpretation of this verse is that the men did not commit murder and that the fetus is not a person. The primary concern is the well-being of the person who was injured.
 According to Jewish law, is abortion health care? Yes, Jewish sources explicitly state that abortion is not only permitted but is required should the pregnancy endanger the life or health of the pregnant individual. Furthermore, “health” is commonly interpreted to encompass psychological health as well as physical health. NCJW advocates for abortion access as an essential component of comprehensive, affordable, confidential, and equitable family planning, reproductive, sexual health, and maternal health services.
 What does Jewish law say about the rights of the person who is pregnant and the rights of the fetus? Judaism values life and affirms that protecting existing life is paramount at all stages of pregnancy. A fetus is not considered a person under Jewish law and therefore does not have the same rights as one who is already alive. As such, the interests of the pregnant individual always come before that of the fetus.
 Do abortion bans unduly favor one religious viewpoint over another? Yes, different religions believe that human life begins at different stages of development. Science can explain developmental timelines, but philosophic and religious viewpoints largely determine what exactly defines “life” or “personhood” for each individual. NCJW believes, as the First Amendment to the US Constitution guarantees, that no one religion should be enshrined in law or dictate public policy on any issue — including abortion.
Resource originally created by National Council of Jewish Women St. Louis, adapted with permission. www.ncjw.org

[True Blue American]

38. Have posted with others

On this subject. Republicans have opened a can of worms on themselves. Eating them alive.

5 Republican Senators are retiring. I predict more will want to spend time with family.

[LiberalFighter]

44. If you haven't yet please post.

I'm not Jewish and no longer religious but knew most of it.

And Christians are fanatic about their Bible even when it is based on Jewish religion.

[Hekate]

59. This deserves to be an OP and/or cross-posted to Women's Rights and Issues...

Since my husband has been tuning into JBS (Jewish Broadcasting Service) on Saturdays this past year, I’ve gotten to hear some outstanding liturgical music from the other room, as well as some discussions that he calls me in for.

Yesterday it was a rabbi expounding on the overturn of Roe vs Wade. The rabbi articulated the Jewish traditional position on the life of the mother always taking precedence, and how a fetus is not a person until it draws breath outside its mother’s body.

I already knew the basics of what he said, as I’ve known for years that American Evangelicals do NOT speak for all religions, all religious people, and not even all American Christians. He just said it so well, and so very much grounded in a tradition that is thousands of years old.

When he was done I tried to say something to my husband, and unexpectedly started crying. Again.

Apologies that I didn’t think to write down his name or the organization the rabbi was speaking from — but this needs to be said far and wide. We need to shout the savages down before they kill us.

[pfitz59]

37. My sister-in-law was ecstatic when she became pregnant

then nearly died when her ectopic pregnancy ruptured. 'Forced birth' lunatics hate women.

[True Blue American]

39. Any one know where Congressman Hice is from?

He asked Medical Experts in a hearing if a woman ever gave birth to a turtle!

[Ilsa]

50. Georgia nutcase, 10th district. Rural, spread out in central to east Ga. nt

[True Blue American]

53. He kept asking the same question. Insisted the expert handle it.

Yost, DeWine and Jordan went into hiding after their lie about the 10 year old.

[gulliver]

41. Vote out every Republican from every office in every election

It's not just for the good of the country and to protect rights. It's good for the Republicans too. They won't be able to find the will to return to sanity without taking a beating in elections.

[ananda]

42. The word of the day is DROIT.

Women no longer have a legal right to life, liberty,
or independence.

What Declaration????

[LiberalFighter]

43. Hospitals need to be identified. Along with specific names of higher ups.

[crickets]

45. This is insane.

The sad and enraging part is, someone will have to die to shake some sense into the idiot politicians responsible. The pushback will happen, if at all, when women start dying and their families start suing.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

51. This is crap healthcare and they know better

Trigger laws and senseless states can go to hell.

[RandySF]

56. +1

[RandySF]

57. Kicked for visibility.

[DFW]

61. Elementary algebra

Republicans + Religion = Ruin

R + R = R is solvable when R equals zero.

[EnergizedLib]

62. How long are we going to put up with this?

There are races in Texas, Ohio and Wisconsin this year, all close ones and all that have restrictions.

Candidates need to share these stories and drive them home to people when campaigning.

Overturning Dobbs and restoring Roe will not happen overnight, and it won’t be easy. However, we must not stop until this newly found imposed cruelty is banished from our lives.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

63. Sick fucking bastards

[Hermit-The-Prog]

64. The radicalized Republican party is a woman-hating death cult.