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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,170 posts)
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 12:57 PM Jul 2022

Religions don't agree on abortion. That's why some faiths plan to take their case to court.

Some activists devastated by the Supreme Court's decision ending a constitutional right to abortion are turning to a new tactic: Bring God onto their side of the fight.

They're planning to file religious-freedom lawsuits, hoping to use either state or federal courts to reinstate their rights, which they say are being violated by conservative Christians who've forced their theocracy upon others as a de-facto national religion in the fight against abortion rights.

While conservative Christians typically oppose abortion, many other Christians — and many other faiths — recognize the right of women to protect their lives from a dangerous pregnancy.

In Judaism, the religion's foundational religious texts generally conclude life begins when a baby is born. And some Muslim schools of belief also permit abortion to protect a mother's life.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/religions-don-t-agree-on-abortion-that-s-why-some-faiths-plan-to-take-their-case-to-court/ar-AAZFjux

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Religions don't agree on abortion. That's why some faiths plan to take their case to court. (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2022 OP
This is SO TRUE! Diamond_Dog Jul 2022 #1
Abortion laws violate the first amendment. MacKasey Jul 2022 #2
Good! K&R for visibility. crickets Jul 2022 #3
KnR Hekate Jul 2022 #4
I'm for trying anything that might work SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #5
If you believe that life begins at conception.... 634-5789 Jul 2022 #6
Jewish Leaders: Banning Abortion is 'Absolutely' a Violation of Religious Freedom LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2024 #7

MacKasey

(992 posts)
2. Abortion laws violate the first amendment.
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 01:04 PM
Jul 2022
No abortions is a religious law

As far as I am concern the first amendment says there will be no laws based on religion

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
5. I'm for trying anything that might work
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 02:07 PM
Jul 2022

so I look forward to seeing how this plays out.

My question would be if a religion allows abortion but doesn't require abortion, is it a violation of religious freedom to deny it?

An admittedly inelegant example of this line of thinking would be say that my religion allows - but doesn't require - me to smoke pot. If pot is banned in my state, is it a violation of my religious rights?

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,496 posts)
7. Jewish Leaders: Banning Abortion is 'Absolutely' a Violation of Religious Freedom
Fri Jan 19, 2024, 05:22 PM
Jan 2024

Under Jewish religious law, it is clear that life begins at birth and there is no prohibition in the Torah on abortion. According to my Rabbi, the life of a fetus is only potential life and the life of the mother is more important than the life of a fetus. Alito's proposed opinion elevates Christian beliefs over Judaism.



https://jezebel.com/jewish-leaders-banning-abortion-is-absolutely-a-violat-1848885645

Conservatives—namely, white evangelical Christians—have long weaponized religious values as a shoddy defense for their decades-long conquest to criminalize abortion in the United States. But after a leaked draft of the Supreme Court’s decision to strike down Roe v. Wade sent shockwaves through the public consciousness on Monday night, a different kind of group of religious text-swinging heroes has emerged.

Coalitions of Rabbis across different sects of Judaism and a contingent of Jewish abortion activists are defending Jewish pregnant people’s right to abortion access, raising what they claim is a valid legal challenge: A national abortion ban would violate their right to religious freedom as guaranteed by the First Amendment. And as the right to bodily autonomy for women and pregnant people is threatened—largely impacting low-income Black and brown people—by conservative justices’ arguments that we should simply rewind to the good old years when women didn’t have any rights because, you know, some 17th century witch-hunter said so, Jewish communities are putting their foot down to say, “Not in my religion.”......

For evidence, Rabbi Ruttenberg points to the Book of Exodus in the Torah, which discusses a case where two men accidentally knock over a pregnant person and cause them to miscarry:

“When men fight, and one of them pushes a pregnant woman and a miscarriage results, but no other harm ensues, the one responsible shall be fined when the woman’s husband demands compensation; the payment will be determined by judges. But if other harm ensues, the penalty shall be life for life.”

The Hebrew Bible, she says, does not regard the fetus as a person, for the Torah doesn’t specify how long the woman has been pregnant when the miscarriage happens. Another annotated text states, “If she is found pregnant, until the fortieth day it is mere fluid,” meaning the fetus does not have agency for at least forty days of pregnancy. For that reason, some interpretations of Jewish law say that personhood begins with the first breath. “It’s not murder, basically, and the Talmud lays that out really explicitly,” she says.

I like the idea of a lawsuit filed on the basis of the First Amendment. Alito's draft opinion favors conservative christian theology over the faith all all or most Jews.
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