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Novara

(5,852 posts)
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 08:02 AM Jul 2022

Weeping mom blasts Texas grand jury for DECLINING to indict man who accidentally shot and killed ...

Weeping mom blasts Texas grand jury for DECLINING to indict man who accidentally shot and killed her daughter, 9, as he chased armed man who had just robbed him at ATM

A distraught mother slammed a Texas grand jury for refusing to indict the man who shot and killed her young daughter while chasing down a man who'd just robbed him in February.

On February 14, Arlene Alvarez was sitting in her family's car listening to music through headphones when she was shot in the head by Tony Earls, a 41-year-old who was on the street chasing down a man who had just robbed him at an ATM.

Earls thought the robber had hopped into a vehicle and he mistook the Alvarez family car for one his assailant may have been traveling in.


Gwen, the girl's mother, says he fired a total of nine shots at them, knowing he was going to kill someone or at the very least hoping he would.

Earls was later charged with aggravated assault but a Grand Jury on Tuesday declined to indict him, accepting his claim that he was acting in self-defense.


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Weeping mom blasts Texas grand jury for DECLINING to indict man who accidentally shot and killed ... (Original Post) Novara Jul 2022 OP
Fuckkkkkkkk............ OneGrassRoot Jul 2022 #1
Now THAT is fucked up. 2naSalit Jul 2022 #2
What a shithole country Texas has become Maru Kitteh Jul 2022 #3
Yeah, well. Thank Christ this sort of tragedy is confined to Texas. Paladin Jul 2022 #5
This type of crime isn't confined to Texas Mariana Jul 2022 #18
Florida? Wisconsin? mountain grammy Jul 2022 #44
IF inthewind21 Jul 2022 #49
FFS, that is not anything close to self-defense! Lars39 Jul 2022 #4
Sue the asshole until he is homeless! Nt USALiberal Jul 2022 #6
Well inthewind21 Jul 2022 #50
Horrible state, horrible people. Mr. Sparkle Jul 2022 #7
But... but... he's a good guy with a gun! We must worship at his feet! Scrivener7 Jul 2022 #8
Funny how they gunvangelicals don't mention this case, huh? Nevilledog Jul 2022 #22
Damned Straight. The good guy with a gun scenario rarely ends well. groundloop Jul 2022 #34
So abortion for a child who was raped is murder kacekwl Jul 2022 #9
You can only use lethal force to prevent a robbery exboyfil Jul 2022 #10
Incorrect inthewind21 Jul 2022 #51
WTF Texas. barbtries Jul 2022 #11
Republicans did with with their perverse gun laws RAB910 Jul 2022 #12
Post removed Post removed Jul 2022 #13
Your post is a bit hard to understand. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #15
Not advocating for this, but it's what I would do Johnny2X2X Jul 2022 #14
Seriously? For a few dollars you'd hunt somebody down and execute them? bluesbassman Jul 2022 #23
For a few dollars? robbob Jul 2022 #26
After re-reading the post, you are probably right. bluesbassman Jul 2022 #28
The post was very vague - just about "this guy" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2022 #29
I read the post differently. yardwork Jul 2022 #39
if you have that type of "vigilante" personality, then you probably Thtwudbeme Jul 2022 #56
There can still be a civil lawsuit Kaleva Jul 2022 #16
Do you agree with the grand jury findings? bronxiteforever Jul 2022 #31
One probably can infer from my comment that I don't Kaleva Jul 2022 #35
Thanks! Giving your posts which I always read bronxiteforever Jul 2022 #59
I personally feel the gun owner ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Kaleva Jul 2022 #68
Yes inthewind21 Jul 2022 #52
You must have a link then which is easy for you to provide Kaleva Jul 2022 #57
That's rude. flying_wahini Jul 2022 #61
Doesn't everyone keep abreast of Tort law sarisataka Jul 2022 #64
this sort of case can be on contingency fee treestar Jul 2022 #67
Yes, it's gross negligence at least treestar Jul 2022 #65
The lives of women and girls are meaningless to Republicans dlk Jul 2022 #17
I wonder how many women were on that grand jury. Kaleva Jul 2022 #21
Even if there were, it doesn't negate the truth. yardwork Jul 2022 #40
I agree with you Kaleva Jul 2022 #70
Apparently not enough women who are independent thinkers dlk Jul 2022 #69
The people on that Grand Jury should be ashamed of themselves greenjar_01 Jul 2022 #19
Well, you can't convict a "good guy with a gun" can ya? Ferrets are Cool Jul 2022 #20
So, we have this lunatic running down the street and firing where he likes. aocommunalpunch Jul 2022 #24
We have a lot of these Fucked Up People in this country. Just look at the Votes Trump Got JI7 Jul 2022 #25
That's why I call it RocRizzo55 Jul 2022 #27
so screwed up - and a jury made that decision so they are so mental samsingh Jul 2022 #30
Really insane if the facts are being presented correctly. harumph Jul 2022 #32
Good guy with a gun Bear Creek Jul 2022 #33
Based moniss Jul 2022 #36
TexAss IronLionZion Jul 2022 #37
Even if the thief ran into the car, that is still not self defense karynnj Jul 2022 #38
Thank god there was a good guy 48656c6c6f20 Jul 2022 #41
Daily Mail is a right-wing rag: one might as well be posting directly from Fox "News" or OAN. xocetaceans Jul 2022 #42
daily mail is terrible, but this story is unfortunately true, ramen Jul 2022 #48
Same story, isn't it? Novara Jul 2022 #63
that's not much better, as if informs you what to think of it treestar Jul 2022 #66
True, it's not much better, but it's not Daily Mail, Fox News, or any deeply RW site. xocetaceans Jul 2022 #72
that one is much better treestar Jul 2022 #74
That is awful. He should absolutely have been indicted for his reckless firearm use. PTWB Jul 2022 #43
Self defense? How many times was he shot at? patphil Jul 2022 #45
One word blows away the self-defense argument: "chasing" nuxvomica Jul 2022 #46
I hope she sues for wrongful death in a civil court and takes everything he owns. eom Laffy Kat Jul 2022 #47
lol inthewind21 Jul 2022 #54
Interesting...both shooter and victim COL Mustard Jul 2022 #53
Earls did what 'anyone in that situation would have done.' progressoid Jul 2022 #55
Sounds like murder, yes? TeamProg Jul 2022 #58
You bet your ass if Arlene had been the daughter is someone powerful, raccoon Jul 2022 #60
One Wonders RobinA Jul 2022 #62
White guy shoots Latino child. Not a crime in Texas. Fuck Texas. It can burn for all I care now ZonkerHarris Jul 2022 #71
That is so wrong Catherine Vincent Jul 2022 #73

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
1. Fuckkkkkkkk............
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 08:05 AM
Jul 2022

How many horrific, heartbreaking stories are out there like this in our Wild West culture????

Maru Kitteh

(28,343 posts)
3. What a shithole country Texas has become
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 08:07 AM
Jul 2022

I loved living in El Paso in the 80’s, but there simply isn’t enough money on planet Earth to entice me there for any reason right now.

Mariana

(14,861 posts)
18. This type of crime isn't confined to Texas
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:02 AM
Jul 2022

but where else would a grand jury accept the argument that Tony Earls killed Arlene Alvarez in self-defense?

Scrivener7

(51,022 posts)
8. But... but... he's a good guy with a gun! We must worship at his feet!
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 08:21 AM
Jul 2022

The 9 year old is unfortunate collateral in men's live action cosplay of their favorite westerns from when they were children.

We all just have to live with the fallout.

And PS, kids. It's not the Texas. It's the guns.

groundloop

(11,523 posts)
34. Damned Straight. The good guy with a gun scenario rarely ends well.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:55 AM
Jul 2022

Without constant training people will do stupid shit like this and innocent people will be injured or killed.

kacekwl

(7,022 posts)
9. So abortion for a child who was raped is murder
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 08:27 AM
Jul 2022

but killing a child with a gun for no reason is cool in Texas. Ok got it.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
10. You can only use lethal force to prevent a robbery
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 08:35 AM
Jul 2022

of your person not in pursuit of someone who has already robbed you. There is no justification.

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
11. WTF Texas.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 08:39 AM
Jul 2022

self defense? the dude was in the wind. he wasn't under any immediate threat, he just wanted to hurt someone back. he got away with it.

no words. I hope she has a civil case going against him for wrongful death, maybe she'll get a measure of relief out of that. She will never get her baby back.

RAB910

(3,511 posts)
12. Republicans did with with their perverse gun laws
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 08:44 AM
Jul 2022

The world is burning because of their evil denial of global warming.

Americans are dying because of their sick gun laws

Women are suffering because of their obscene violation of their civil liberties


These evil fuckers need to be stopped

Response to Novara (Original post)

Johnny2X2X

(19,118 posts)
14. Not advocating for this, but it's what I would do
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 08:53 AM
Jul 2022

I would have to take the law into my own hands and track this guy down.

bluesbassman

(19,379 posts)
23. Seriously? For a few dollars you'd hunt somebody down and execute them?
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:14 AM
Jul 2022

And in the process if some child becomes collateral damage in your vigilante exercise, oh well?

You may want to consider decaf. Many brands are just as tasty as the real thing.

robbob

(3,538 posts)
26. For a few dollars?
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:33 AM
Jul 2022

Not sure how you interpreted his post. I think he’s saying if someone recklessly gunned his 7 year old daughter down and got away with it then he would feel compelled to take the law into his own hands.

Where are you getting “for a couple dollars”?

Anyway; not saying vigilante justice is right, just saying I think you misread the post.

bluesbassman

(19,379 posts)
28. After re-reading the post, you are probably right.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:41 AM
Jul 2022

I took it to be defending the shooter’s action after being robbed. The wording could very well be about avenging the child’s killing. Still can’t condone vigilante justice, but I understand the sentiment.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,378 posts)
29. The post was very vague - just about "this guy"
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:42 AM
Jul 2022

Since it was a reply to the story in the OP, it's easy to interpret "track this guy down" as the action in the story - the man who was robbed took the law into his own hands and tried to "track this guy (the guy who robbed him) down" - and then killed the girl. And that's where "a couple of dollars" comes into it - the killer had been robbed.

You interpret "this ... what I would do" to refer to the idea of someone now taking the law into their own hands and tracking down the killer - which is probably right. But since no-one had said that yet, it's easy to think "this" meant "something we've already talked about". The post was confusingly worded.

 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
56. if you have that type of "vigilante" personality, then you probably
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:18 AM
Jul 2022

just need a slingshot, or a Red Ryder BB gun.

Kaleva

(36,354 posts)
35. One probably can infer from my comment that I don't
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:05 AM
Jul 2022

I wouldn't be suggesting a civil lawsuit if I agreed with the grand jury the man didn't commit a crime. That what he did was defensible.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
52. Yes
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:00 AM
Jul 2022

And in Texas, the attorneys will cost more than she can recover in a civil suit. That's been a known for years. If you paid attention.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
67. this sort of case can be on contingency fee
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 12:19 PM
Jul 2022

the attorney can't get more than a percentage, like 33 or 40%.

dlk

(11,578 posts)
17. The lives of women and girls are meaningless to Republicans
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:00 AM
Jul 2022

Again and again, they tell us who they really are: that only certain lives matter.

yardwork

(61,712 posts)
40. Even if there were, it doesn't negate the truth.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:27 AM
Jul 2022

Unfortunately, many women buy into and help enforce discrimination and abuse directed at other women, and at children.

The fact that individuals turn on others in their own group doesn't negate the truth, anymore than the actions of Clarence Thomas, for instance, negate the truth of systemic racism.

dlk

(11,578 posts)
69. Apparently not enough women who are independent thinkers
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 02:12 PM
Jul 2022

Sadly, too many women assimilate the popular culture and go along with the men who have no regard for their lives.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
19. The people on that Grand Jury should be ashamed of themselves
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:04 AM
Jul 2022

This is pure ideology gotten out of control. He fired into a car in self defense? The wrong fucking car? In self defense?

What the actual fuck.

aocommunalpunch

(4,245 posts)
24. So, we have this lunatic running down the street and firing where he likes.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:30 AM
Jul 2022

This literally means nobody is safe, anywhere in this country. How do you prepare for a lunatic like this guy? You just sit in your car, listening to music, and you're dead. Would being armed have helped the victim? Nope.

Self-defense is simply being aggrieved. Should there have been another gun to take down the lunatic that was wildly shooting everywhere? How would anyone know the aggrieved party was just defending himself by shooting everywhere, with no concept of his actual surroundings?

How many more must be harmed before it hurts someone of consequence? Is that how we teach empathy in this country now? Wait until somebody with enough influence gets fucking hurt?

harumph

(1,915 posts)
32. Really insane if the facts are being presented correctly.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:54 AM
Jul 2022

So, it would seem to be from the standpoint of the grand jury, OK to chase down and shoot at a suspect who robbed you - BUT WHO NO LONGER POSES A DANGER BECAUSE HE IS RUNING AWAY. Maybe the grand jury was thinking about the cops that routinely pump bullets into fleeing suspects and wanted to make sure that remains 'OK' too. Wtf is right.

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
33. Good guy with a gun
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:54 AM
Jul 2022

This scenario is more often the outcome of some random guy with a gun stopping a crime. One I remember from a few years ago happened at Walmart. The guy was shooting at a shoplifter and killed someone sitting in their car. Or the one more recently that escalated into a multiple shooting deaths. If they should have just let the guy go. Shoplifting is a fine. Walmart has cameras in the store and parking lot. They just send police to ticket them at their residence.

moniss

(4,274 posts)
36. Based
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:10 AM
Jul 2022

on the reasoning of the morons on the GJ the family could claim "stand your ground" if they blew him away on the courthouse steps and claimed that since he had random fired at them before he may well do it again. Texas was/is/will always be a failure when it comes to human decency.

IronLionZion

(45,541 posts)
37. TexAss
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:12 AM
Jul 2022

where you can kill people because you made some idiotic Ass-umptions and acted on it with guns.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
38. Even if the thief ran into the car, that is still not self defense
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:21 AM
Jul 2022

His money WAS stolen, but his life was at that point when he was chasing the man not at risk.

If he really was convinced the thief was in the car, couldn't he just get the license number?

 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
41. Thank god there was a good guy
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:28 AM
Jul 2022

WTLF? Was this guy a Kyle Leftenhouse hero?
Another glorious day in GunMurka!
Hmm. The bats should be leaving the bat cave right about now. This probably triggered their anti gun echo locaters.

xocetaceans

(3,873 posts)
42. Daily Mail is a right-wing rag: one might as well be posting directly from Fox "News" or OAN.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:29 AM
Jul 2022

However, with a little more searching, here's the story from a local Houston station:

Arlene Alvarez killed: Harris Co. grand jury declines to indict robbery victim who shot 9-year-old
By Pooja Lodhia
Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:20PM

HARRIS COUNTY, Texas (KTRK) -- Arlene Alvarez's family on Tuesday found themselves nowhere close to true justice five months after the tragic chain of events that led to the 9-year-old girl's killing.

Earlier in the day, a Harris County grand jury declined to bring charges against 41-year-old Tony Earls, the man whom police say fired the shots that left the little girl dead on Feb. 15.

An investigation determined Earls and his wife were targeted by a robber near a Chase Bank ATM in the Gulfgate area. Earls then got out and shot at the fleeing suspect and a pickup truck that he thought the person was getting into, police said.

But the pickup was not the suspect's getaway car. Instead, Arlene and her family were inside.

...

https://abc13.com/robbery-victim-tony-earls-no-billed-arlene-alvarez-death/12061282/


Daily Mail

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Analysis / Bias

The Daily Mail is a known supporter of the Conservatives. They are also one of the pro-Brexit tabloids. According to a Reuters article, the Daily Mail published a controversial headline in response to a Brexit Court ruling criticizing the judges by branding them as ‘enemies of the people.’ According to CNBC, the Daily Mail has also been criticized by Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales for publishing fake news articles and “hyped up” headlines and “mastered the art of running stories that aren’t true.” Further, CNBC reported that DMG media responded by saying, “DailyMail.com is the very antithesis of click-bait and hype headlines. We just tell stories better than anyone else.”

The Daily Mail tends to publish stories utilizing sensationalized headlines with emotionally loaded wordings such as “Woman, 63, ‘becomes PREGNANT in the mouth’ with baby squid after eating calamari”, which is a misleading headline. In 2017, Wikipedia banned the Daily Mail as an ‘unreliable’ source. When it comes to sourcing information, they use minimal hyperlinked sourcing and sourcing to themselves. Further, a Reuters institute survey found that 26% of respondents trust their news coverage and 47% do not, ranking them #11 in trust of the major UK news providers. In general, most stories favor the right; however, the Daily Mail will report either side of the story is sensational enough.

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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/


Who really wants to read from right-wing news sources? (i.e., Why drink from a toilet?)

xocetaceans

(3,873 posts)
72. True, it's not much better, but it's not Daily Mail, Fox News, or any deeply RW site.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 05:45 PM
Jul 2022

It's a choice. Does DU prefer to support that sort of organization and its style of reportage or not?

Here is the report from another more reputable news source:

Texas grand jury declines to indict man accused of killing 9-year-old girl while shooting at armed robber

By Rebekah Riess, CNN
Updated 11:53 AM ET, Wed July 20, 2022

(CNN) A grand jury in Harris County, Texas, on Tuesday declined to indict a man who allegedly killed 9-year-old Arlene Alvarez while shooting at an armed robber in February, Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg said.

"I just want to tell the family how saddened we are," Ogg said. "We don't have the luxury of disagreeing with the jury's verdict, with the grand jury's determination. But we have the ability to move forward and to catch the person who they've indicated is criminally responsible."

The killing happened February 14 at about 9:30 p.m. when Tony Earls and his wife drove to a drive-thru ATM to deposit some cash and a check, according to the district attorney's office. A man then ran up and put a gun in the wife's face and demanded their money, car keys and her wallet, the prosecutor's office said.

The couple initially complied with the robber, handing over the check, cash and wallet, before the robber started to run away, the office said. Earls, who stepped out of the vehicle, said he heard gunshots and believed he was being shot at, so he shot at the robber, the office said.

...

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/20/us/arlene-alvarez-9-year-old-shooting/index.html

treestar

(82,383 posts)
74. that one is much better
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 11:10 AM
Jul 2022

it tells you what happened, and the opinion stated is what Ogg said, which the fact of Ogg's saying is just a fact.

patphil

(6,217 posts)
45. Self defense? How many times was he shot at?
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:40 AM
Jul 2022

I don't see how you can claim self defense when you're chasing someone, and not even close enough to see which car the person gets into.
Of course, it isn't about the guns; never is.


COL Mustard

(5,929 posts)
53. Interesting...both shooter and victim
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:01 AM
Jul 2022

Are POC. In no case was the shooter justified in what he did. Shooting multiple times without knowing what your target is just shows irresponsible behavior.

raccoon

(31,126 posts)
60. You bet your ass if Arlene had been the daughter is someone powerful,
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:46 AM
Jul 2022

Earls would have been indicted.

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
62. One Wonders
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:59 AM
Jul 2022

what would have been the result if Mama Alvarez had pulled out a gun and blown Earls' head off. Good lady with gun shoots good guy with gun, bad guy goes free.

ZonkerHarris

(24,259 posts)
71. White guy shoots Latino child. Not a crime in Texas. Fuck Texas. It can burn for all I care now
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 02:44 PM
Jul 2022

If your a Dem in texas, California awaits you

Catherine Vincent

(34,491 posts)
73. That is so wrong
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 06:02 PM
Jul 2022

No excuses. He should serve some time for what he did. I remember that incident. This innocent child lost her life over probably $20. Sad for that family.

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