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Weeping mom blasts Texas grand jury for DECLINING to indict man who accidentally shot and killed her daughter, 9, as he chased armed man who had just robbed him at ATMA distraught mother slammed a Texas grand jury for refusing to indict the man who shot and killed her young daughter while chasing down a man who'd just robbed him in February.
On February 14, Arlene Alvarez was sitting in her family's car listening to music through headphones when she was shot in the head by Tony Earls, a 41-year-old who was on the street chasing down a man who had just robbed him at an ATM.
Earls thought the robber had hopped into a vehicle and he mistook the Alvarez family car for one his assailant may have been traveling in.
Gwen, the girl's mother, says he fired a total of nine shots at them, knowing he was going to kill someone or at the very least hoping he would.
Earls was later charged with aggravated assault but a Grand Jury on Tuesday declined to indict him, accepting his claim that he was acting in self-defense.
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OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)How many horrific, heartbreaking stories are out there like this in our Wild West culture????
2naSalit
(86,807 posts)But then, it is Texas. Survive there at your own risk.
Maru Kitteh
(28,343 posts)I loved living in El Paso in the 80s, but there simply isnt enough money on planet Earth to entice me there for any reason right now.
Paladin
(28,276 posts)Mariana
(14,861 posts)but where else would a grand jury accept the argument that Tony Earls killed Arlene Alvarez in self-defense?
mountain grammy
(26,656 posts)and actually any state. Devastating.
You have to ask. You haven't been paying attention.
Lars39
(26,116 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)In Texas it won't do any good. 2 words. Tort Reform.
Mr. Sparkle
(2,950 posts)a cesspit of corruption.
Scrivener7
(51,022 posts)The 9 year old is unfortunate collateral in men's live action cosplay of their favorite westerns from when they were children.
We all just have to live with the fallout.
And PS, kids. It's not the Texas. It's the guns.
Nevilledog
(51,203 posts)groundloop
(11,523 posts)Without constant training people will do stupid shit like this and innocent people will be injured or killed.
kacekwl
(7,022 posts)but killing a child with a gun for no reason is cool in Texas. Ok got it.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)of your person not in pursuit of someone who has already robbed you. There is no justification.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)barbtries
(28,811 posts)self defense? the dude was in the wind. he wasn't under any immediate threat, he just wanted to hurt someone back. he got away with it.
no words. I hope she has a civil case going against him for wrongful death, maybe she'll get a measure of relief out of that. She will never get her baby back.
RAB910
(3,511 posts)The world is burning because of their evil denial of global warming.
Americans are dying because of their sick gun laws
Women are suffering because of their obscene violation of their civil liberties
These evil fuckers need to be stopped
Response to Novara (Original post)
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Hermit-The-Prog
(33,448 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,118 posts)I would have to take the law into my own hands and track this guy down.
bluesbassman
(19,379 posts)And in the process if some child becomes collateral damage in your vigilante exercise, oh well?
You may want to consider decaf. Many brands are just as tasty as the real thing.
robbob
(3,538 posts)Not sure how you interpreted his post. I think hes saying if someone recklessly gunned his 7 year old daughter down and got away with it then he would feel compelled to take the law into his own hands.
Where are you getting for a couple dollars?
Anyway; not saying vigilante justice is right, just saying I think you misread the post.
bluesbassman
(19,379 posts)I took it to be defending the shooters action after being robbed. The wording could very well be about avenging the childs killing. Still cant condone vigilante justice, but I understand the sentiment.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,378 posts)Since it was a reply to the story in the OP, it's easy to interpret "track this guy down" as the action in the story - the man who was robbed took the law into his own hands and tried to "track this guy (the guy who robbed him) down" - and then killed the girl. And that's where "a couple of dollars" comes into it - the killer had been robbed.
You interpret "this ... what I would do" to refer to the idea of someone now taking the law into their own hands and tracking down the killer - which is probably right. But since no-one had said that yet, it's easy to think "this" meant "something we've already talked about". The post was confusingly worded.
yardwork
(61,712 posts)Thtwudbeme
(7,737 posts)just need a slingshot, or a Red Ryder BB gun.
Kaleva
(36,354 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Kaleva
(36,354 posts)I wouldn't be suggesting a civil lawsuit if I agreed with the grand jury the man didn't commit a crime. That what he did was defensible.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)I didnt think you would have!
Kaleva
(36,354 posts)And in Texas, the attorneys will cost more than she can recover in a civil suit. That's been a known for years. If you paid attention.
Kaleva
(36,354 posts)As you've known this for years.
flying_wahini
(6,659 posts)sarisataka
(18,779 posts)In all 50 states?
treestar
(82,383 posts)the attorney can't get more than a percentage, like 33 or 40%.
treestar
(82,383 posts)dlk
(11,578 posts)Again and again, they tell us who they really are: that only certain lives matter.
Kaleva
(36,354 posts)yardwork
(61,712 posts)Unfortunately, many women buy into and help enforce discrimination and abuse directed at other women, and at children.
The fact that individuals turn on others in their own group doesn't negate the truth, anymore than the actions of Clarence Thomas, for instance, negate the truth of systemic racism.
Kaleva
(36,354 posts)dlk
(11,578 posts)Sadly, too many women assimilate the popular culture and go along with the men who have no regard for their lives.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)This is pure ideology gotten out of control. He fired into a car in self defense? The wrong fucking car? In self defense?
What the actual fuck.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)aocommunalpunch
(4,245 posts)This literally means nobody is safe, anywhere in this country. How do you prepare for a lunatic like this guy? You just sit in your car, listening to music, and you're dead. Would being armed have helped the victim? Nope.
Self-defense is simply being aggrieved. Should there have been another gun to take down the lunatic that was wildly shooting everywhere? How would anyone know the aggrieved party was just defending himself by shooting everywhere, with no concept of his actual surroundings?
How many more must be harmed before it hurts someone of consequence? Is that how we teach empathy in this country now? Wait until somebody with enough influence gets fucking hurt?
JI7
(89,276 posts)RocRizzo55
(980 posts)Texass.
samsingh
(17,601 posts)harumph
(1,915 posts)So, it would seem to be from the standpoint of the grand jury, OK to chase down and shoot at a suspect who robbed you - BUT WHO NO LONGER POSES A DANGER BECAUSE HE IS RUNING AWAY. Maybe the grand jury was thinking about the cops that routinely pump bullets into fleeing suspects and wanted to make sure that remains 'OK' too. Wtf is right.
Bear Creek
(883 posts)This scenario is more often the outcome of some random guy with a gun stopping a crime. One I remember from a few years ago happened at Walmart. The guy was shooting at a shoplifter and killed someone sitting in their car. Or the one more recently that escalated into a multiple shooting deaths. If they should have just let the guy go. Shoplifting is a fine. Walmart has cameras in the store and parking lot. They just send police to ticket them at their residence.
on the reasoning of the morons on the GJ the family could claim "stand your ground" if they blew him away on the courthouse steps and claimed that since he had random fired at them before he may well do it again. Texas was/is/will always be a failure when it comes to human decency.
IronLionZion
(45,541 posts)where you can kill people because you made some idiotic Ass-umptions and acted on it with guns.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)His money WAS stolen, but his life was at that point when he was chasing the man not at risk.
If he really was convinced the thief was in the car, couldn't he just get the license number?
48656c6c6f20
(7,638 posts)WTLF? Was this guy a Kyle Leftenhouse hero?
Another glorious day in GunMurka!
Hmm. The bats should be leaving the bat cave right about now. This probably triggered their anti gun echo locaters.
xocetaceans
(3,873 posts)However, with a little more searching, here's the story from a local Houston station:
By Pooja Lodhia
Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:20PM
HARRIS COUNTY, Texas (KTRK) -- Arlene Alvarez's family on Tuesday found themselves nowhere close to true justice five months after the tragic chain of events that led to the 9-year-old girl's killing.
Earlier in the day, a Harris County grand jury declined to bring charges against 41-year-old Tony Earls, the man whom police say fired the shots that left the little girl dead on Feb. 15.
An investigation determined Earls and his wife were targeted by a robber near a Chase Bank ATM in the Gulfgate area. Earls then got out and shot at the fleeing suspect and a pickup truck that he thought the person was getting into, police said.
But the pickup was not the suspect's getaway car. Instead, Arlene and her family were inside.
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https://abc13.com/robbery-victim-tony-earls-no-billed-arlene-alvarez-death/12061282/
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Who really wants to read from right-wing news sources? (i.e., Why drink from a toilet?)
ramen
(791 posts)per your link. Here's another non daily mail link https://www.khou.com/article/news/crime/reward-offered-for-robbery-suspect-in-arlene-alvarez-death/285-2a568e20-6c4c-4c92-890c-db739493fcf4
What a miscarriage of justice. I can't imagine it
Novara
(5,852 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)in the first paragraph.
xocetaceans
(3,873 posts)It's a choice. Does DU prefer to support that sort of organization and its style of reportage or not?
Here is the report from another more reputable news source:
By Rebekah Riess, CNN
Updated 11:53 AM ET, Wed July 20, 2022
(CNN) A grand jury in Harris County, Texas, on Tuesday declined to indict a man who allegedly killed 9-year-old Arlene Alvarez while shooting at an armed robber in February, Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg said.
"I just want to tell the family how saddened we are," Ogg said. "We don't have the luxury of disagreeing with the jury's verdict, with the grand jury's determination. But we have the ability to move forward and to catch the person who they've indicated is criminally responsible."
The killing happened February 14 at about 9:30 p.m. when Tony Earls and his wife drove to a drive-thru ATM to deposit some cash and a check, according to the district attorney's office. A man then ran up and put a gun in the wife's face and demanded their money, car keys and her wallet, the prosecutor's office said.
The couple initially complied with the robber, handing over the check, cash and wallet, before the robber started to run away, the office said. Earls, who stepped out of the vehicle, said he heard gunshots and believed he was being shot at, so he shot at the robber, the office said.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/20/us/arlene-alvarez-9-year-old-shooting/index.html
treestar
(82,383 posts)it tells you what happened, and the opinion stated is what Ogg said, which the fact of Ogg's saying is just a fact.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)patphil
(6,217 posts)I don't see how you can claim self defense when you're chasing someone, and not even close enough to see which car the person gets into.
Of course, it isn't about the guns; never is.
nuxvomica
(12,448 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,386 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Yeah, sure. Tort reform ring a bell? The tort reform from YEARS ago.
COL Mustard
(5,929 posts)Are POC. In no case was the shooter justified in what he did. Shooting multiple times without knowing what your target is just shows irresponsible behavior.
progressoid
(49,999 posts)WRONG!
TeamProg
(6,254 posts)raccoon
(31,126 posts)Earls would have been indicted.
RobinA
(9,894 posts)what would have been the result if Mama Alvarez had pulled out a gun and blown Earls' head off. Good lady with gun shoots good guy with gun, bad guy goes free.
ZonkerHarris
(24,259 posts)If your a Dem in texas, California awaits you
Catherine Vincent
(34,491 posts)No excuses. He should serve some time for what he did. I remember that incident. This innocent child lost her life over probably $20. Sad for that family.