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IcyPeas

(21,865 posts)
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 08:06 PM Jul 2022

A "preacher" armed with a semiautomatic rifle showed up at Beto O'Rourke's townhall in Texas

A “preacher” armed with a semiautomatic rifle showed up at Beto O’Rourke’s townhall in Hemphill, Texas, to challenge O’Rourke’s position on … abortion, calling it murder. A month after 20 people were murdered with an AR-15 in a Texas elementary school. This is America.

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Here’s a video of the so-called pastor’s question to Beto. While armed to the teeth, he gets laughs for saying he’s not there to talk about guns, but abortion. This is the radical right wing’s ideology: use guns to intimidate and control conversations and curtail women’s rights.




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A "preacher" armed with a semiautomatic rifle showed up at Beto O'Rourke's townhall in Texas (Original Post) IcyPeas Jul 2022 OP
God and Guns liberal N proud Jul 2022 #1
For around $5 I can become an ordained minister on a few websites and start the tax-exempt grift. TheBlackAdder Aug 2022 #33
in already ordained... moonshinegnomie Aug 2022 #43
None of your effin business. LakeArenal Jul 2022 #2
Do you think he would be allowed to show up at a Trump rally armed like that? (nt) Elwood P Dowd Jul 2022 #3
Depends on whether it was a coup-adjacent really. Nevilledog Aug 2022 #42
An armed preacher is an oxymoron sanatanadharma Jul 2022 #4
Onward Christian Soldiers... Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #20
What an effin asshole malaise Jul 2022 #5
Beto handled the situation well SunImp Jul 2022 #6
thank you for that entire video. his answer was respectful. IcyPeas Jul 2022 #7
Yes, very impressive. enough Jul 2022 #8
+1 dalton99a Jul 2022 #14
Thanks for the video. Beto treated the christofascist GoodRaisin Aug 2022 #31
Beto handled that very well. I'm so glad he brought other religions into the matter since that Maraya1969 Aug 2022 #40
People like this nimrod think all those other beliefs are just hogwash. ShazzieB Aug 2022 #46
Radicalized vanilla ISIS. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #9
Outlaw them? kentuck Jul 2022 #10
We're going in the opposite direction DetroitLegalBeagle Jul 2022 #17
This asshole shows up at armed like that And people are expected to act like it's raccoon Jul 2022 #11
I would walk out of a church with a nutbag preacher like that demtenjeep Jul 2022 #15
I think Beto may have gotten better coverage if he had just walked off the stage ... kentuck Jul 2022 #12
Ultimately it will take entire stores empying out when gunners arrive sanatanadharma Aug 2022 #38
How much crazier can the right wing get? Emile Jul 2022 #13
I worry about Beto going to all these small towns Liberal In Texas Jul 2022 #16
Ita, Remember the 1960s. As you said there are too many crazies out there. Nt raccoon Aug 2022 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author raccoon Aug 2022 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2022 #18
I must have skimmed over the part of the bible in which... LudwigPastorius Jul 2022 #19
They thrive on hate and fear. Marcuse Jul 2022 #21
How can you have "free speech" at a rally or at a townhall....? kentuck Jul 2022 #22
I have thought about my response to a similar situation. albacore Jul 2022 #23
This kind of thing won't be confined to TX but will probably spread to other battleground states. ancianita Jul 2022 #24
Terrorist wannabe... dlk Jul 2022 #25
I'm a 3rd generation Texan but I will never set foot in that state again. CTyankee Jul 2022 #26
A guy like that is a deadly menace, and should be treated as such DFW Jul 2022 #27
Despicable creep UTUSN Aug 2022 #28
What would Jesus carry? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2022 #29
Or.... IcyPeas Aug 2022 #30
Where was security? Boomerproud Aug 2022 #32
Texas Is an Open Carry State And... ruet Aug 2022 #48
What kind of religion encourage pastors to carry assault rifles? Emile Aug 2022 #34
This church where you can get your gun blessed. IcyPeas Aug 2022 #37
Trust in God? BlueIdaho Aug 2022 #39
I really want someone to ask one of the people why they feel the need to arm themselves Maraya1969 Aug 2022 #41
they have a ready made answer: self-defense. maxsolomon Aug 2022 #44
But why do they need self defense if Jesus is protecting them? Just playing devil's advocate Maraya1969 Aug 2022 #45
What's with the scare quotes and the so-calleds? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2022 #47
"Pray not like the hypocrites..." UTUSN Aug 2022 #49

sanatanadharma

(3,702 posts)
4. An armed preacher is an oxymoron
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 08:16 PM
Jul 2022

An armed preacher is an oxymoron.
The preacher's message seems to be that one can not turn to God for protection.
Straight-up blasphemy.

malaise

(268,968 posts)
5. What an effin asshole
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 08:21 PM
Jul 2022

He wasn’t entering my town hall - no way - sorry.
My answer would have been none of your fucking business. You are not the boss of me.

IcyPeas

(21,865 posts)
7. thank you for that entire video. his answer was respectful.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 08:41 PM
Jul 2022

the audience applauded when he said there should be a separation of church and state too.

GoodRaisin

(8,922 posts)
31. Thanks for the video. Beto treated the christofascist
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 02:26 AM
Aug 2022

gun humper with respect and dignity while defending the constitution. Nice job.

Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
40. Beto handled that very well. I'm so glad he brought other religions into the matter since that
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 12:35 PM
Aug 2022

pastor spoke like it was only his religion that counted. Too many people do not take into account that there are many different beliefs and that theirs should not just automatically be made into a damn law!

ShazzieB

(16,389 posts)
46. People like this nimrod think all those other beliefs are just hogwash.
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 01:29 PM
Aug 2022

They don't see their own beliefs as "beliefs," but as facts, and they think those who believe differently from themselves are going to hell and influenced/deluded by Satan if not outright possessed by demons. And the going to hell part = not worthy of their respect either way.

No, not all Christians or even all Evangelicals think that way, but it's clear he does by the way he worded his question. Beto's no dummy, and I'm sure he knew what he was dealing with. But when you're running for office, you tend to want to avoid antagonizing people if at all possible.

I would give anything know what Beto said to that guy. I don't understand why the person who made the video cut it off just when it was getting interesting. Dadgummit!

P.S. i finally got the second video to work, so now I know what Beto said, lol. And I swear, I don't know how he does it. This is a great example of why I am not a politician. I just don't have the patience to stand there and answer idiotic questions from idiots with a fraction of the patience, respect, and grace Beto displayed in this video. I. Could. Not. Do. It. Go, Beto!

kentuck

(111,089 posts)
10. Outlaw them?
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 09:19 PM
Jul 2022

And make it a 5-year automatic sentence to carry one in public? For the safety of the people?

Is that the direction we are going?

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,923 posts)
17. We're going in the opposite direction
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 10:08 PM
Jul 2022

Laws on carrying guns in public have been trending towards less restrictions over the past 2 decades. With the recent SCOTUS ruling, that isn't likely to reverse or slow down. If anything, it will accelerate.

raccoon

(31,110 posts)
11. This asshole shows up at armed like that And people are expected to act like it's
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 09:21 PM
Jul 2022

And people are expected to act like it’s OK, And they’re supposed to just take it on faith that he’s not gonna go apeshit cuckoo and start shooting everybody up?

God, this country is fucked up.

kentuck

(111,089 posts)
12. I think Beto may have gotten better coverage if he had just walked off the stage ...
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 09:48 PM
Jul 2022

...and asked the security to walk him to his car or a more secure location. He could have sent the message that there can be no "free speech" when people are threatening the audience with automatic weapons. Turn the tables on the fear mongers.

sanatanadharma

(3,702 posts)
38. Ultimately it will take entire stores empying out when gunners arrive
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 10:52 AM
Aug 2022

When the economics of society are severely disrupted by peoples' response to public guns, then things will change.
Imagine a giant super-market filled with shopping carts filled with food abandoned in the aisles.
Imagine empty church pews, deserted amusement parks, empty malls, unsold concert tickets, overfilled graveyards ...

Liberal In Texas

(13,548 posts)
16. I worry about Beto going to all these small towns
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 10:07 PM
Jul 2022

I know he wants to try and sway the rural voters, but there are just too many crazies in the boonies. The least his people should be doing is posting signs that no firearms are allowed at these townhall events. And have security people at the doors to make sure that happens.

Response to Liberal In Texas (Reply #16)

Response to IcyPeas (Original post)

LudwigPastorius

(9,139 posts)
19. I must have skimmed over the part of the bible in which...
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 10:17 PM
Jul 2022

Jesus went out saving people at the point of a spear.


"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is coming...and so is this sharp stick if you don't!"

kentuck

(111,089 posts)
22. How can you have "free speech" at a rally or at a townhall....?
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 10:51 PM
Jul 2022

...If someone walks in with an AR-15 or an AK-47?

How do you know he is not a crazy killer? Just the very fact that someone would carry a gun into a place like that is proof they are not stable.

How do they know he is a "preacher"? How do they know he is a "law-abiding" citizen? How do they know he is not insane?

It is not only a threat to everyone at the townhall, it is a threat to "free speech".

Screw that shit!

albacore

(2,398 posts)
23. I have thought about my response to a similar situation.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 10:51 PM
Jul 2022

I'd 911 the cops and say that a man with an assault rifle was menacing a crowd.
If I was in the crowd, I'd feel menaced.
I'm not prepared to gamble my life that a person with that kind of firepower was simply making some fucking point about his goddam "freedom".
Beto did OK, but why wasn't the crowd all over this asshole?
Intimidated is my guess.
I wonder what happens if somebody walks quietly up behind a dipshit like this and hits him in the gourd with a pipe?
This fucking country is nuts.

ancianita

(36,053 posts)
24. This kind of thing won't be confined to TX but will probably spread to other battleground states.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 10:54 PM
Jul 2022

Of course, the whole United States was declared officially a "battleground" in the 2001 Patriot Act.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
26. I'm a 3rd generation Texan but I will never set foot in that state again.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 11:09 PM
Jul 2022

I'm so happy to be in Connecticut which has values I share and cherish. I do like Beto but I am sorry that he has to put up with these people.

DFW

(54,370 posts)
27. A guy like that is a deadly menace, and should be treated as such
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 11:31 PM
Jul 2022

I would have had about eight armed security guys draw on him the second he was visible outside the entrance, give him three seconds to lay down his weapons, and act on their threat if he didn‘t. No one knew his intentions, and his appearance was openly hostile.

There have been far too many shootings of unarmed Americans recently to risk letting armed right wing extremists into gatherings with prominent Texas Democrats present. They are already an endangered species as it is.

ruet

(10,039 posts)
48. Texas Is an Open Carry State And...
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 01:41 PM
Aug 2022

the event was on public property and open to the public. There's not much Security was going to be able to do.

Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
41. I really want someone to ask one of the people why they feel the need to arm themselves
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 12:36 PM
Aug 2022

like they are going into a war zone if they trust Jesus so much?

maxsolomon

(33,327 posts)
44. they have a ready made answer: self-defense.
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 12:49 PM
Aug 2022

their right as an amurkin.

remember, it's the LIBERALS that are violent. they burned down SMALL BUSINESSES!

Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
45. But why do they need self defense if Jesus is protecting them? Just playing devil's advocate
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 12:54 PM
Aug 2022

That was so many of their excuses for not wearing a mask. Jesus would protect them.

It's all bullshit.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
47. What's with the scare quotes and the so-calleds?
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 01:32 PM
Aug 2022

Is there some kind of rule somewhere stipulating that one cannot both be a pastor and be a complete asshole? Because, spoiler alert: a significant percentage of clergy are, indeed, total knobs.

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