Charles Pierce: You know what would convince me Liz Cheney is the ally everybody tells me she is?

[kpete]

She could go to Ohio and campaign for Tim Ryan, or to Georgia to campaign for Raphael Warnock. She could work whatever moderate Republicans are left on behalf of Democrats.
Tick, tick, tick...

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[secondwind]

1. She has to do this her way, I think.

Which is doing whatever it takes to keep Trump from the ballot.

She’s mainly anti-Trump. Not pro Dem at all.

[PRETZEL]

13. I do agree that she has to do this her way,

which she has stated is to keep Trump from office.

But at the same time she needs to remain relevant in the national conversation. I really don't see her out on the stump for MAGA running candidates nor do I see her even remotely supporting any Democratic candidate. So, with the number of more traditional conservative candidates on the slate and even fewer Senate and Governor candidates, I think over the next 18 months it'll be hard for her to remain relevant.

[cachukis]

2. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[Effete Snob]

8. Hello, friend

[calimary]

33. Hardly.

At least for me. The fly on his head obviously thinks differently.

[ForgedCrank]

10. Although that

may be true in some respects, we need to remember that regardless of her support through the Trump disaster, she is still a Republican.
Just because she knows what Trump is doesn't mean she is a friend to Democrats.
She would turn on us the instant it was useful to her.

[Celerity]

32. nope, she (amongst other RW things) voted against voter rights and cheered on Roe going down

Fuck her and the RW elephant she rode in on.

She is NOT a friend.

She got crushed by a christofash party she and her ultra scum, war criminal father helped create.

[cachukis]

35. The reference was Biblical and only that.

The Cheney's are not my cup of tea and are not worthy of admiration in the true sense. Nonetheless, circumstances put us in predicament. We would not be here without her; either way.
Sinking in quagmire, one can't be choosy as to who tosses the rope.
She is what she is; the enemy.
As part of that enemy, she has turned on her alliance.
Malign her if you will. She is still in opposition to our enemy on issues we can use her support.
Machiavelli discusses, at length, the long game.
Hypocracy exists because it has to. Purity has to have a comparison.
Think, jesus would never have happened if it weren't for satan; he was just doing his job, well.

[FarPoint]

3. She is only our friend because we serve her mission to advance.

Yes, damn good job by Liz with Jan. 6 Committee....but it serves her mission to bigger things. She has the massive backing of her father's collective....very, very powerful and massive amounts of money. I believe they are going to have her do their bidding...

[SheltieLover]

5. Exactly!

Darth vader's spawn.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

18. Had Liz Cheney simply wanted to "advance," she could have just kept her mouth shut and gone along

enabling Trump and Trumpism, like so many in her party.

Instead she stood up.

[FarPoint]

23. I disagree....

8f she wanted to stay in Congress as a republican she would of not oppose tRump and kept her mouth shut....Now, she is internationally recognized for her boldness

[Just A Box Of Rain]

25. And lost her seat. Some "advance."

[FarPoint]

28. You just wait....

2 years from now ..you will admit you minimized her goals.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

29. I hope she runs against TFG--in what she knows would be a quixotic effort--

in order to damage him and help us re-elect Joe Biden.

Other than that, she's destroyed her electoral future.

[Mr. Ected]

4. I agree with Mr. Pierce

As long as such campaigning doesn't unduly interfere with her J6 duties. That's paramount. The rest would be to stem the tide of fascism within her party. Promoting Dems against Trump-backed candidates or simply promoting moderate Republicans at this point would be a huge step forward, particularly with her father's establishment framework backing her.

[Cracklin Charlie]

6. She has some big decisions to make.

And, I think she has to be very cautious. We may not hear about what she does until after it happens. Crazee times we are living in.

[Hortensis]

7. I believe the premise that she's supposed to be our ally is phony.

Opposing the very dangerous Republican treason does not mean she has to be a Democratic political ally, like this is some black-white/either-or world.

What is true is that Cheney sacrificed her position and leadership in congress to protect her nation from what the Republican Party has become. She's still about as hard-core traditionally conservative as one can be without sliding off the edge with the extremist nuts.

Best guess for many is she's going to continue the battle by running for president -- as herself, on her own platform that has nothing to do with us.

[crickets]

24. +1

[NNadir]

9. Or she could run as a third party candidate for Prez in 2024

[Novara]

11. Charlie Pierce doesn't usually invest in fantasy

Is he OK?

[JHB]

27. It's not really an investment if you don't expect it to materialize.

He's simply stating what it would take for him to buy the concept of her as an ally.

[Ferrets are Cool]

12. This

[question everything]

14. N...o.. She is a Republican. She wants to keep Whiny off, but not necessarily

have Democrats control Congress and the Executive Branch.

I think.

[packman]

15. I would be VERY,VERY happy if she would just start a NEW Republican party

Call it the RINO Party

Get those few still sane, reasonable Republicans and save what can be salvaged from your party.

[Poiuyt]

26. I think the current Republican Party should just rename itself the Trump Party

Let Cheney and other non-fascist conservatives take the Republican Party.

Frankly, I'm surprised none of his supporters have suggested this. They've done everything else to kiss his ample ass. With Trump's ego, he would love to have the party named after him.

[lees1975]

16. There was not a single Republican in Congress who supported the bill that the President just signed.

And that includes Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger.

They sided against the people, and against fighting inflation and against the high cost of prescription drugs, especially for seniors, and went with the corporate rich and powerful, the autocrats who want to buy America and divide it up among them, what's left of it, that is, that they haven't already divided up among them.

Senator Warnock is way, way, way too much of a sincere Christian and a genine man of the people for her to ever speak a work in favor of his re-election.

She deserves credit for standing against the corruption, dishonesty and demagoguery of the orange headed buffoon and his fascist allies, and for helping determine where the line is between Fascists and Republican Conservatives, but she is still a Republican conservative whose politics and economic perspective is against those in this country who work for a living and struggle to make it financially.

Wyoming is a write-off. But, looking at the numbers, she could do some real damage to the Fascists if she decided to go ahead and run as an independent. That would be the best thing she could do to stay relevant at this point.

[czarjak]

17. She's just a very fine person on both sides. Naturally?

[FakeNoose]

19. Yes she could, but she's not a Democrat

As far as I know, Liz Cheney has no intention of changing parties. If she remains a resident of Wyoming, she can become an Independent, and that's respectable for a politician to do if they lose their Party's support.

She can move to another state and remain a Repuke. Running in another district/state is OK for certain candidates. (She would have to wait until the next election in 2024 though.)

But jumping into campaigning for any Dem anywhere would probably get her kicked out of the GOP, and I don't think she wants to do that.

[BannonsLiver]

20. I'm not sure why people want to overcomplicate this

Sometimes people who don’t agree on much find something they agree on. It doesn’t mean they agree on anything else. Just this one thing, whatever it is. That was the case with LC. I appreciate that she stood up with Dems to hold the meat goblin accountable, but that doesn’t mean she’s our new best friend. Lots of people worked up because they wrongly thought she’d drift over to team blue. Why would anyone think that in the first place? She’s staunch team red. Always has been. So I don’t really “need” her to show me anything by campaigning for Dems in red states (which is utterly ludicrous on its face, Charlie). I don’t need her to “show me who she is.” She did that a long time ago.

[radical noodle]

37. This

She's already gone farther than I ever thought she would. If anything, maybe she can keep some of the utterly crazy people from being elected in November... not by campaigning for Democrats but by campaigning against the Republican candidates.

[Wild blueberry]

21. She wants to be President

She's doing good work on the J6 committee, but it's in service to her Grand Ambition.
Don't trust her.
(That's what Pierce is saying)

[aeromanKC]

22. Liz knows that America depends on a strong Republican and Democratic Party co-existing

and in order to get back to that, Trumpism needs to stamped out

Hopefully Liz and other sane R's can do what they need to do to eliminate that toxic wing of their party Looks like banding together to vote for other R candidates (similar to a 3rd party) and Dems in selected races

Our Country and Democracy depends on it!!

[Mz Pip]

30. I would not vote for her.

Her anti-choice stance alone does it for me. She accused Democrats of killing newborns.

So no.

[867-5309.]

31. Have they asked for her? n/t

[Hermit-The-Prog]

34. Liz Cheney is a D ally just as Stalin was an ally to Roosevelt.

Don't turn your back on her once Twitler's toasted.

[treestar]

36. I don't see her being called an ally

Just a decent Republican.