Fuck this guy (John Wayne)

[cilla4progress]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/12/us/john-wayne-exhibit-usc-trnd/index.html



While the statement did not directly address the controversy surrounding Wayne, his legacy has recently been re-examined, especially after a 1971 interview with Playboy resurfaced and went viral last year. In it, Wayne espoused derogatory views of African Americans, Native Americans and films with gay characters.

"I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility," the actor said. "I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people."

Wayne's comments were a flashpoint for USC students, some of whom began calling for the exhibit's removal last October, according to USC student news outlet Annenberg Media.

[GreenWave]

1. Didn't some movie dude piss on him?

[NameAlreadyTaken]

61. Haven't heard that one before, however,

I have read gossip that he did attend gay pool parties in Hollywood.

Plus there are long-standing rumors that he enjoyed taking younger men out on his yacht, the Norwester, from Newport Beach for the afternoon.

[Skittles]

2. he was a fucking racist, war mongering, draft dodging COWARD

like Reagan, he was able to fool people into believing he was something he wasn't

[underpants]

5. 👆

[Ferrets are Cool]

23. +1

[Celerity]

43. Stains (MDC) - John Wayne Was A Nazi - 1981

Label: R Radical Records – RR-1981
Format: Vinyle, 7", Single
Pays: US
Sortie: 1981
Genre: Rock
Style: Punk













MDC is an American punk rock band formed in 1979 in Austin, Texas, subsequently based in San Francisco, and currently Portland, Oregon. Among the first wave of bands to define the sound and style of American hardcore punk, MDC originally formed as The Stains; they have periodically changed the meaning of "MDC", the most frequent being Millions of Dead Cops. The band's lyrical content expresses radical left political views and has proven influential within the punk subculture.

[HAB911]

47. correct

[ItsjustMe]

3. I read this just the other day about John Wayne

Sacheen Littlefeather: Raging John Wayne tried to attack me at 1973 Oscars

https://nypost.com/2022/08/19/sacheen-littlefeather-raging-john-wayne-tried-to-attack-me-at-1973-oscars/

Sacheen Littlefeather is recalling a very pivotal moment from almost 50 years ago.

The Native American activist, 75, appeared on behalf of Marlon Brando at the 45th Academy Awards, where she gave an impassioned speech about the treatment of her people in the entertainment industry.

While the surprise appearance festered boos from the audience, one actor in particular apparently was so filled with “rage” that he had to be restrained.

Western icon John Wayne, who died in 1979, was reportedly furious enough that he attempted to ambush Littlefeather once she left the stage — and she won’t ever forget it.

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Apparently he liked latin women, because he married three of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne

Wayne was married three times and divorced twice. His three wives included one of Spanish American descent, Josephine Alicia Saenz, and two from Latin America, Esperanza Baur and Pilar Pallete. He had four children with Josephine: Michael Wayne (November 23, 1934 – April 2, 2003), Mary Antonia "Toni" Wayne LaCava (February 25, 1936 – December 6, 2000), Patrick Wayne (born July 15, 1939), and Melinda Wayne Munoz (born December 3, 1940). He had three more children with Pilar: Aissa Wayne (born March 31, 1956), John Ethan Wayne (born February 22, 1962), and Marisa Wayne (born February 22, 1966)

[bahboo]

22. she would have kicked his cowardly ass...

[underpants]

4. He was John Birch society Orange County Republican. Draft dodger too.

His career was made when actual actors were in the service.

He did a 60 Minutes interview (I think) in which played victim and said his Hollywood types thought he was in a cult.


Yeah really. From John Wayne back a cult.

[Docreed2003]

6. Ty for posting this

Wayne's words show him to be a racist bigot. His views on blacks are just nauseating in their racism and his views on indigenous peoples being "selfish" for not giving up their lands are just mind blowing given Wayne's on screen persona for years. The fact that John Wayne continues to be celebrated as some kind of American Hero is utterly disgusting.

[musclecar6]

7. Just

Another jerk off, who happened to be an actor. Plenty of them around unfortunately.

[johnp3907]

26. Acotor?

No. Movie star.

[msongs]

8. his acting talent ran the gamut from a to b lol nt

[BigmanPigman]

29. I love that quote from Dorothy Parker.

[OAITW r.2.0]

9. Marion believed himself to be his acting personna.

Thought he was a Green Beret in Vietnam, too.

[SergeStorms]

41. Another Mark Wahlberg.

He's another Hollywood "tough guy" who actually believes he's a real life hero.

[Ocelot II]

10. He was a right-wing douche since forever. And not even a very good actor.

[GP6971]

11. He was a nasty person.

I never cared for his movies either.

[cilla4progress]

12. I honestly,

before this, had no idea.

Not surprised, though.

Typical WM gaslighting.

(WM = white male).

[303squadron]

13. Add coward to the mix

If 140lbs of nothing Roger Young can be rejected for military service, try again, and then save his platoon in the jungles of New Guinea while giving up his own life, then 6'4" Wayne could have volunteered. Jimmy Stewart served. So do Walter Matthau, Eddie Albert, and Douglas Fairbanks Jr.

[spooky3]

14. And Elvis nt

[rsdsharp]

16. Rodger Young wasn't just a small guy, he had severe hearing and vision limitations

as a result of an injury. He shouldn’t have been in the military at all.

He actually asked for, and received, a demotion from sergeant to private, because he thought his worsening physical limitations would prohibit him from leading a squad properly. Despite all of that, and despite already being wounded, he went after a Japanese machine gun position, allowing the surviving members of his patrol to withdraw.

[cilla4progress]

17. I bet

they thought he was an asshole.

[obamanut2012]

48. And Clark Gable, Jason Robards, and Mel Brooks

Robards had his ship sunk while he was on it, and Mel Brooks wasn't even 18 and was diffusing land mines.

Special nod to Audrey Hepburn (aka Edda van Heemstra) for being part of the Dutch Resistance as a teen during WW2.

[MrsCheaplaugh]

53. And Rod Serling

who, although five foot nothing, made himself into a paratrooper and served in the Pacific theatre.

[whistler162]

69. Partially deaf and nearsighted Ronald Reagan served

The list is long.

Yes, Ronald Reagan served in the only capacity he was able to -

Lieutenant Reagan was ordered to active duty on April 19, 1942. Due to his poor eyesight, he was classified for limited service only excluding him from serving overseas. His first assignment was at the San Francisco Port of Embarkation at Fort Mason, California, as liaison officer of the Port and Transportation Office.

[alphafemale]

86. My father was missing fingers on his hand and still served

Not the cowardly giant John Wayne.

[UTUSN]

15. Weird how he married Hispanic - not excusing

[CatWoman]

18. however, he was a fucking coward. and self entitled trash

Sacheen Littlefeather says John Wayne ‘had to be restrained’ at her 1973 Oscars protest

https://www.today.com/popculture/awards/sacheen-littlefeather-john-waynes-1973s-oscars-rcna43840

[UTUSN]

19. Totally draft dodger. What does it say for minority marrying him

[rockfordfile]

20. It doesn't say anything. He's still a racist pos

Just there were pro Jewish fascist during WW2. They were called kapos.

[2naSalit]

25. Somehow I think...

Marriages of that sort were kind of a one-way street dominance thing, especially back then.

[UTUSN]

36. You always understand, thanks.

[soldierant]

31. The Academy says that.

Sacheen saiys she din't have a clue at the time, since he was backstage. I'm not sure when she heard about it.

But the Academy definitely admits it happened.

[uponit7771]

55. Hispanic can be Caucasian also

[Polybius]

59. I've said it for years:

Horneiness conquers all. It conquers extreme laziness, and apparently conquers racism as well.

[localroger]

21. Karma got him though

His film The Conqueror about Genghis Khan (Yeah, Wayne played Genghis Khan, worst casting decision ever) was filmed in a radiological hot spot created by above-ground nuclear testing. Half the film's cast, including Wayne, subsequently died in a wave of cancers that seem obviously linked to their exposure there.

[edhopper]

52. The country he professed to love

And the military he refused to criticize, Killed him in the end.
That's irony for ya.

[Skittles]

68. smoking multiple packs of cigs daily for decades didn't help either

no indeed

[Hassler]

24. The crossdressing rightwing clown of an actor.

[2naSalit]

27. All his movies sucked.

As an actor, he sucked.

[soldierant]

33. John Ford famously said

that he got passable performances out of him by not allowing him to talk. I personally could not sit through Stagecoach just to cunt his lines, n=but I understand there were very few of them, Somewhere in single digit.

[Ferryboat]

42. His role in Stagecoach exposed him for who he really was

A raging bigoted asshole. Also in my humble opinion his best movie.

People lose sight of the fact that back in the day movie's were escapist fantasy from the hard times.

[hlthe2b]

51. John Ford was a military hero and understood the beauty of the West which makes his movies

with Wayne still watchable despite... I, however, cannot get over what a poor horseback rider Wayne was --especially in his middle and later years. Maybe okay in his early years, but his unfortunate horses must have scarcely had a mouth left the way Wayne would pull their heads around and sit on them as though he were mounting a damned "lazy boy recliner." It became so hard for me to watch, given how many good riders were generally in the same movies.

[Skittles]

46. that fucking whiny voice of his

UGH

[2naSalit]

49. Everything, actually.

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I couldn't stand him or Sinatra, both for the same reasons.

[Skittles]

66. YES

I didn't like Sinatra either - meh voice, mediocre acting - and both he and John Wayne came across as arrogant assholes I would not have wanted to know in real life

[EX500rider]

101. "All his movies sucked."

And yet in rankings of Best Westerns you will usually find:

Rio Bravo
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
Red River
Stagecoach
True Grit

and at the #1 spot of many of the lists:

1956 The Searchers

[LudwigPastorius]

28. _

[SharonClark]

30. An article from 2020 about

a long-dead actor. There are so many real and dangerous villains today, what piqued your interest in him now?

[cilla4progress]

35. 50 year anniversary of

Sacheen Littlefeather's Oscar speech.

All over the news.


https://variety.com/2022/film/news/sacheen-littlefeather-john-wayne-assault-oscars-1235345008/

[Zeitghost]

97. Agreed

He was born in 1907 and died over 40 years ago. Is it really a surprise that his views on race and politics would be problematic in 2022? We're gonna be in for a lot of work if we want to go down the road of finding all the similar statements by other public figures born over a century ago. Why waste energy on this.

[bringthePaine]

32. fuck this guy double, and his ilk thrice🧐

[progressoid]

34. ...

[pecosbob]

45. One of my favorite movies

Harry Dean Stanton was one of the best supporting actors in film history IMO.

[progressoid]

72. Yeah, anytime I hear his name this scene comes to mind. Great movie.

[summer_in_TX]

37. Anti-commmunist John Bircher.

And just fine with the Hollywood blacklist. Reagan too. My parents despised John Wayne especially, but both really from way back.

[UTUSN]

38. At the VFW they worship him, confused about "acting" and real combat dude

[Jack-o-Lantern]

39. Never could stand that horse's ass...

with his smart-ass way of speaking, fake drawl, and tough guy persona….fuck you Wayne.

[Sky Jewels]

40. They need to get a better name for the Orange County airport.

I always hated that mfer.

[Duppers]

44. J.W. quote 🤬

"I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves."

John Wayne

[Emile]

50. He was a right-wing draft dodging POS!

[kpete]

54. in my 20s,

I had a friend or rather someone I thought was a friend. There was just something about her beliefs that didn't mesh with mine. I just did not trust her. When we went to her place, there was a giant John Wayne poster in her room. That was when I knew this friendship would not work out.

[Generic Other]

56. Can I share a poem I wrote about John Wayne?

This is a previously unpublished work inspired by driving past a state park called "John Wayne Marina State Park":

Manifest Destiny Rides Again

When the Duke says, "Saddle up!" the testosterone
pulls at his pantleg and his big Colt catches the light
of god's eye which rolls over the horizon like a tumbleweed,

and the schoolmarm's heart flutters as she watches
his rugged boots kick up the dust over the only
“good” Injuns and those seven bad hombres he left
stretched out on some lonesome prairie.

He never even says goodbye to the gold-tooth whore
who drowns her sorrow straight out of the bottle
most nights at Loopy Lou’s where she spots him.
When he loses his poke, she pours him another shot,
and she bandages him up when he’s full of lead.
Just don’t expect her to cry when he craps out.
The day he mounts his horse, and digs in his silver spurs,
there won’t be a dry eye in town except hers
and she’ll curse him as his silhouette vanishes,
a slow lope into the sunset. Damn his hide.

Over the next rise, Injuns throw up their arms,
fall off their war ponies just
to see him smile. Some say he wears false teeth,
that he’s really the bad guy all along.

(Start Second Reel Here):

On D-Day, the Duke dopes off,
dodges the draft for a movie set,
raises no flag over Mt. Suribachi,
sees no action with the Flying Leathernecks,
doesn’t once perform for the troops in Berlin
after the Longest Day. Explain that.

Didn’t a real Vietnam vet claim
it was John Wayne’s fault our boys lost Southeast Asia?
Don’t let nobody tell you any different. Every single one
of them red blooded American boys cuts their teeth on
Joan Crawford’s shoulder pads,
gallops bareback on Audie Murphy’s horse, and
fights for John Wayne, Apple pie and the Flag.

The Duke growls “Pull yourself up by your balls, boys.”
Tenderfoots circle the wagons around the campfire,
and share their grub with the Donner Party,
maybe dodge a few arrows at the Little Bighorn.
It’s all a bluff. The undertaker cuts the deck for those
who hope to cheat death in a card game on Boot Hill.

Don’t blame the movie star who prides himself
on doing his own stunts, even his biggest fight--
his battle with a bottle -- all uphill, like he’s in a race
with Teddy and the roughriders.
He claims he is busy signing autographs
at the Santa Monica Pier
when the Orientals torpedo Pearl Harbor.

The only time he ever sees the Alamo, it’s in a picture book.

John Wayne, he aint no more an American hero
than Shirley Temple’s curls or Granny Smith’s corncob pipe.
Smoke them road apples if you like.
Isn’t ever gonna taste as American as Mother’s blue-ribbon pie.

That sidewinder hooking his thumbs in his belt loops
wasn’t even named John in the first place.
His Mammy named him Marion same as some old spinster
who plays the pipe organ at church, not a real cowboy,
just a dude ranch sodbuster on a camera-ready cattle drive
who’s never been anywhere more dangerous than
Frontier Land in Burbank--that kind of cowboy.
Ought to make him shrink a little in his boots.

He’s a Dime Novel hero, the kind you find
in every dusty one-horse town,
striking a match off the head of a wooden
cigar store Indian, although he probably couldn’t roll
a smoke to save his hide. Even so, he fancies himself
town sheriff, dreams of gathering a posse
to head the Cavalry off at the pass, to warn them
of trouble up ahead. Hell’s Bells.

John Wayne wasn’t no kind of lawman even if
he does have a tarnished star on Hollywood Boulevard.

Manifest Destiny? Don’t make me laugh.
I hear they named a state park after him out West,
at the end of the trail.

Put that in your hat, Pilgrim.

[Celerity]

57. +1

[TxGuitar]

65. Very nice!

Thanks for sharing!

[gulliver]

58. Picking loud fights with (and canceling) the dead is fun but foolish

We wonder how people fall into Hatfields vs. McCoys or Sunni vs. Shia stupidity and resentment cycles over decades or even centuries. One of the best ways is to cherry pick actions of the long dead and make a big stink about them.

Wayne was an entertainer and a very good one. He said (and obviously thought) some pretty ignorant, pretty assholish stuff. So what? We all need to get a thicker skin and be adults. There are quotes from the Bible I would offer to show how old an idea that is, but I'm sure we all know them.

On edit: And please don't assume I'm thumping the Bible. Really. The same ideas are all over the place in ancient texts and literature. Also modern.

[EX500rider]

63. I have to agree, judging people born in 1907 by current standards seems pointless

Very very few would pass the grade. They were raised in vastly different times.

[GuppyGal]

74. +1000

[alphafemale]

81. Plenty of men and women from his era were not the racist asshole he was

He was racist misogynist because that is what he wanted to be.

[EX500rider]

84. Sure, there have been enlightened people during all ages..

...but for someone who turned 20 in 1927 I think he was pretty average, possibly a little less racist then avg for the time, his three wives included one of Spanish American descent, Josephine Alicia Saenz, and two from Latin America, Esperanza Baur and Pilar Pallete.

[Coventina]

94. Thank you! That "another time" bullshit is excusing bigotry. n/t

[llashram]

79. my skin is thick

yet at 74 to be deemed inferior by a so-called 'superior' race gets through and stings. I'm insulted. Wayne was a racist pig. No matter his era or time being alive. "Assholish" yes, racist pig? Yes again. He and many others kept perpetuating the racist ideology that has CURSED this country to this day. I bet he's a hero of the soon-to-be orange felon. Slaying all those First-Americans in the name of god, country, apple pie, white picket fence and segregating all not white. Oh and did very well slaying the Japanese also. Racism is still here all the way up to an ex-POTUS because of the likes of him. I get your "thicker skin" remedy and reject it totally.

[Sky Jewels]

82. Yeah, no.

Fuck him with a saguaro cactus.

[NameAlreadyTaken]

60. Here is Mr. macho he-man:

Plus there are long-standing rumors that he enjoyed taking younger men out on his yacht, the Norwester, from Newport Beach for the afternoon.

[Skittles]

67. heh

[lunatica]

75. LOL!!,

[Skittles]

77. I know, right?

never fails to crack me up

[alphafemale]

80. Cute shoes Mr Tiny Feet

Just Sayin'

[frogmarch]

62. In WWII,

my step-mom was a Red Cross worker in India. I don't remember what brought it up, but I remember when I was a grade school kid her talking about how "that movie star John Payne" showed up at the US military installation where she was, and strutted around like a big shot while civilian photographers took pictures of him trying to shake hands with everyone, but that few did. My dad, who was in India then too, said, "Yes, but it was John Wayne."

[whistler162]

70. Well since John Payne was a Flight Instructor

for the Army Air Corp. Your father was likely right.

[H2O Man]

64. Recommended.

I have that interview -- in a book of Playboy interviews -- and used to quote from it in 2004 on this forum, in a few conversations about Wayne. Some people didn't know what an asshole he was in real life.

[IL Dem]

71. Another thing nobody has mentioned yet...

He named "possible" Communists to the Senate Committee on Un-American Activities. (McCarthy) Many Hollywood talents ended up on blackball lists. One of those was Dalton Trumbo.

[Sky Jewels]

83. Here's a good scene from the movie Trumbo.

[BannonsLiver]

73. Another aspect of John Wayne that isn't talked about enough:

HE WAS TERRIBLE ACTOR.

Underline in bold 10 times. A total one note. He was the same guy in every role.

[Kingofalldems]

96. He played John Wayne.

[alphafemale]

98. The True Grit movie remake by Jeff Bridges is worth watching

Because Jeff Bridges is a great actor.

[BannonsLiver]

99. Yeah it's absolutely superior to the Wayne version.

And a big reason for that was Bridges. The talent difference between the two we actors is a chasm.

[Retrograde]

76. "I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership

and judgment to irresponsible people". Neither do I - that's why I don't vote for republicans.

[llashram]

78. I concur

growing up I liked his movies. I was an uninformed young man. Then after serving in the Army(Vietnam) and coming home to political chaos I entered university and started learning. Yeah, to hell with this guy. A definite racist. Wouldn't be surprised to find out sexist also. Oh well, America has bred some loo loos...just glad many have been outed.

[BlueTsunami2018]

85. I liked Bill Burr's bit on this.

You may not but it’s funny. Cancelling dead people is absurd.

[alphafemale]

87. Racist bad actors are all saints when they die?

John Wayne was the worst of the worst.

He was a coward war monger racist.

Yeah he married Hispanic women because they would OBEY!

[BlueTsunami2018]

88. No, he's not a saint.

No one said that. It’s just that it isn’t surprising that a guy who was born in 1907 is saying shit like that in an interview that happened fifty years ago. Like you’re shocked by this? He’s been dead for decades, what’s the point of attacking him now? It just seems silly and meaningless.

[alphafemale]

89. He was an ASS HOLE A racist evil ASS HOLE!

People born at the same time were not RACIST EVIL ASS HOLES!


This is not at all hard.

[BlueTsunami2018]

93. Weren't they?

If bringing back slavery was put to a majority vote at any time in his life, it would have won. Fuck, it would win now in a lot of the country.

That was just the way it was. It doesn’t make it right, it’s simply reality.

[Coventina]

95. Just because "most people" are racist doesn't make racism OK.

[alphafemale]

100. Mark Twain and Charles Dickens were more or less contemporaries

One was a fairly vile colonialist racist

The other was decidedly not.

And they were nearly a century ahead of the chicken hawk prick on a pony.

[LuckyCharms]

90. Well, one reason is that he is a hero to

RWNJ's. To this day.

To them, he represented "real man" and a "real American".

He's still referenced in RW propaganda.

Just like the TV character of Archie Bunker is. Because those people are too goddamn stupid to realize that All in the Family was a parody concerning the ridiculousness of racism, etc.

Fuck John Wayne. He was a fucking asshole who is still being adored.

[alphafemale]

91. Hitler is Dead. HH Holmes is dead.

They are off limits now.

Holy. Holy. Holy.

[BlueTsunami2018]

92. John Wayne was an asshole.

But he wasn’t Hitler.

Slight difference.

You didn’t listen to the bit.