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Just Replace Woke With Jews (Original Post) ItsjustMe Aug 2022 OP
Or as Viktor Orbn called them "globalists" and the CPAC MAGAts give him a standing ovation Botany Aug 2022 #1
hmm. none of those cops look happy to be there. mopinko Aug 2022 #6
The man, DeSantis, is a complete turd. He worked on spreading the C-19 pandemic in Florida ... Botany Aug 2022 #8
An empty cheap off the rack suit, a vacuity, an uncharismatic boob, a loser boy. Tommymac Aug 2022 #41
Desantis gives no one around him a reason... Omnipresent Aug 2022 #9
They all look like he COL Mustard Aug 2022 #15
That explains his expression... Tommymac Aug 2022 #42
It's really ironic, isn't it? COL Mustard Aug 2022 #47
Only a Republican could make the word woke as something Emile Aug 2022 #2
Christofascists think the Enlightenment was a bad thing... Wounded Bear Aug 2022 #31
+1 We think this fight is brand new to the 21st Century...but it has gone on for ages and ages. Tommymac Aug 2022 #44
These days the state of Florida is where old racists and anti-Semites go to die. sop Aug 2022 #3
I like that sign! yardwork Aug 2022 #4
Not even close. I know there's a lot of jealousy of those who can Hortensis Aug 2022 #30
Republicans too. Captain Zero Aug 2022 #37
That's a great line. COL Mustard Aug 2022 #46
Wow! That''s it! Baitball Blogger Aug 2022 #5
ive never heard that word until media samnsara Aug 2022 #7
It did, but like they often do, the Rethugs have grindingly changed the perception to a negative Celerity Aug 2022 #13
As with all of DeSantis' bullshit laws, everyone in Florida knows who he's actually targeting, sop Aug 2022 #10
We have a winter home blueknight73 Aug 2022 #11
I lived in Florida for six years. I haven't been back since my Emile Aug 2022 #14
I live in a lovely little SW Florida town on the Gulf. I just moved last November. Biophilic Aug 2022 #26
Given up the signage, but will still only vote rethugs. Nt childfreebychoice Aug 2022 #38
If we are lucky they will be too depressed to vote. Biophilic Aug 2022 #54
I'm in Seattle and winter in beautiful Palm Springs, California. OMGWTF Aug 2022 #40
That was an outstanding way to explain what DeSantis and the GOP are really about RAB910 Aug 2022 #12
Giuliani consisted of a noun, a verb, and "9-11" Martin Eden Aug 2022 #16
Woke is to Fascist Mr. Ected Aug 2022 #17
Or also replace it with "Black"! 3825-87867 Aug 2022 #18
Woke: aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues IronLionZion Aug 2022 #19
A fascist is a fascist is a fascist dlk Aug 2022 #20
To me MAGA disndat Aug 2022 #21
Add "Protestant" to that and you've got something. silverweb Aug 2022 #48
I disagree with Joshua Holland. BMW2020RT Aug 2022 #22
I had the same thought. July Aug 2022 #58
Actually It's coded words for black people. Because we're the ones who came up with the term woke Heather MC Aug 2022 #23
Nazis didn't like black folks either.... paleotn Aug 2022 #27
Actually the Jesse Owen story Heather MC Aug 2022 #29
The Nazis patterned much of their racism on the US. Particularly the segregated south. paleotn Aug 2022 #45
Yes, I was a little surprised to see the word refer to Jews alone. Hortensis Aug 2022 #49
We haven't come that far Heather MC Aug 2022 #52
Yes, and black people still have to take service elevators, aren't allowed Hortensis Aug 2022 #57
BINGO! ✓ live love laugh Aug 2022 #59
💜 Heather MC Aug 2022 #62
When a guy with strong psychopathic tendencies.... paleotn Aug 2022 #24
Oh, I forget about that. 👍🏼 BMW2020RT Aug 2022 #25
I believe the better replacement would be "liberals". Ferrets are Cool Aug 2022 #28
Or the word "Democrats" amb123 Aug 2022 #32
Post removed Post removed Aug 2022 #33
What is exactly woke ideology? and what is so bad about it? mrsadm Aug 2022 #34
I think "woke" means "anyone who doesn't watch Fox News. Initech Aug 2022 #53
Let's not co-opt the Holocaust for our partisan battles Sympthsical Aug 2022 #35
When you encounter the word on social media, ask them to define it Orrex Aug 2022 #36
Boy, hatred is alive and well in the hearts of the GOP. calimary Aug 2022 #39
The window lets air out and in gulliver Aug 2022 #43
The vitriol and hate that they are spewing is so dangerous. ecstatic Aug 2022 #50
I'll take a few with me vercetti2021 Aug 2022 #61
Stoking hate is their platform. moondust Aug 2022 #51
LOL! Behind the Aegis Aug 2022 #55
This is just getting sadder and scarier!!! NT LAS14 Aug 2022 #56
Floridians, want to know why Ron DeSantis campaigns on FAKE issues like "woke ideology"? LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #60

Botany

(70,516 posts)
1. Or as Viktor Orbn called them "globalists" and the CPAC MAGAts give him a standing ovation
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 08:15 AM
Aug 2022

Viktor Orbán Gets CPAC Standing Ovation for Telling Globalists 'Go to Hell'

https://www.newsweek.com/viktor-orban-cpac-standing-ovation-globalists-go-hell-texas-1731042

Ron DeSantis is a full on fascist ... just look at his made up war on illegal voters. When he was telling lies
in front of all those cops

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217063528

mopinko

(70,127 posts)
6. hmm. none of those cops look happy to be there.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 08:24 AM
Aug 2022

let's hope they all feel like they're on the worst beat on the planet.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
8. The man, DeSantis, is a complete turd. He worked on spreading the C-19 pandemic in Florida ...
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 08:38 AM
Aug 2022

.... for political reasons. He went to Yale and then Harvard Law and he damn well knows that
masks, vaccines, social distancing, and medical science worked and still works and he worked to
kill off those measures. He even tried to blame Joe Biden for his failures to stop the virus.

I hope he gets slaughtered this fall by people who are pissed off over his work to kill abortion,
C-19, and that he is an empty suit who only talks about made up social issues.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
41. An empty cheap off the rack suit, a vacuity, an uncharismatic boob, a loser boy.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 11:16 AM
Aug 2022

Needs guns behind him to bolster his weak fragile self image.

And just because he went to top flight schools Does Not Mean he is a top flight intellect, much less a top flight human being.

I bet he was a bed wetter too.

Omnipresent

(5,714 posts)
9. Desantis gives no one around him a reason...
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 08:39 AM
Aug 2022

To be happy.
They understand that he opposes anything and everything the left is in support of.




COL Mustard

(5,906 posts)
47. It's really ironic, isn't it?
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 11:23 AM
Aug 2022

CPAC was decrying "globalism" (whatever that means) with a speech from a guy from Hungary...you know, not America, but from somewhere else on the GLOBE!!!

Emile

(22,789 posts)
2. Only a Republican could make the word woke as something
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 08:17 AM
Aug 2022

bad. Kneeling now is a sign of disrespect too. Up is down, down is up and right-wing propaganda continues.

Wounded Bear

(58,668 posts)
31. Christofascists think the Enlightenment was a bad thing...
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:37 AM
Aug 2022

because it moved the Church out of the politics of the time. The fight to control knowledge is not new.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
44. +1 We think this fight is brand new to the 21st Century...but it has gone on for ages and ages.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 11:20 AM
Aug 2022

David v. Goliath is just an allegory for this struggle - it was going on in Biblical times.

sop

(10,193 posts)
3. These days the state of Florida is where old racists and anti-Semites go to die.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 08:19 AM
Aug 2022

Saw a great yard sign the other day: "Stop pretending your racism is patriotism."

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Not even close. I know there's a lot of jealousy of those who can
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:33 AM
Aug 2022

retire from working and go south to live resort lives, but let's be honest about why. Like easy living. Following friends to new lifestyles where people are always available to go to lunch or play tennis while those back home have to work. Stores just a bicycle or golfcart ride away.

As for dying, everyone in Florida knows that retired people come to live but tend to return home to decline and die.

Yup. Big surprise that with failing health people who can choose to return to the family and local cultures that produced them in the first place, in your state all the others. Bigots and nonbigots alike. Floridians are a lot more diverse than those of many other states, btw.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
7. ive never heard that word until media
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 08:27 AM
Aug 2022

..just assumed it meant socially responsible as thats the opposite of the repugs

Celerity

(43,408 posts)
13. It did, but like they often do, the Rethugs have grindingly changed the perception to a negative
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 08:55 AM
Aug 2022

They are evil masters at negative framing via coordination and repetition.

sop

(10,193 posts)
10. As with all of DeSantis' bullshit laws, everyone in Florida knows who he's actually targeting,
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 08:42 AM
Aug 2022

and it's not straight white christians who vote Republican.

blueknight73

(295 posts)
11. We have a winter home
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 08:53 AM
Aug 2022

In Southwest Florida. We usually head down the first of November. I dread going every year. My wife loves the warm weather. I hate being around all those phony, racist old people. The ridiculous traffic, the crowds no matter where you go. If it weren't for my wife I would never spend another second of my life in Florida

Emile

(22,789 posts)
14. I lived in Florida for six years. I haven't been back since my
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 08:58 AM
Aug 2022

mother's funeral in 1976. Like you I couldn't stand being around the rednecks.

Biophilic

(3,666 posts)
26. I live in a lovely little SW Florida town on the Gulf. I just moved last November.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:22 AM
Aug 2022

I have seen very few trump flags (3-4) and I think only 1 on a car. I was talking with a friend who has a boat. She said that they used to hate going out, especially on weekends because of all the trumpers who were all over the water with their boats and flags.. She said this summer they have been slowly disappearing and now she usually only sees 1-2 even on a weekend. Perhaps they really are giving up. Or perhaps they are truly embarrassed. They should be.

OMGWTF

(3,959 posts)
40. I'm in Seattle and winter in beautiful Palm Springs, California.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 11:15 AM
Aug 2022

It’s warm, there are so many things to do, and it’s become quite liberal. The Rs hardly matter in CA. I love the Left Coast.

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
16. Giuliani consisted of a noun, a verb, and "9-11"
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 09:54 AM
Aug 2022

Just replace "9-11" with "woke" and you have DeSantis.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
17. Woke is to Fascist
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:04 AM
Aug 2022

As Democrat is to Republican.

Drive home the F word, media. It's time.

In the meantime, our "woke" policies are exactly what America has demanded, so there' s that.

IronLionZion

(45,453 posts)
19. Woke: aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:08 AM
Aug 2022
Woke:

aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke


Some politicians benefit from keeping people unaware and inattentive to important facts and issues.

dlk

(11,569 posts)
20. A fascist is a fascist is a fascist
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:08 AM
Aug 2022

For those who think “it can’t happen here,” it already has and I fear matters will become much worse before they get better.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
48. Add "Protestant" to that and you've got something.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 11:25 AM
Aug 2022

Back in the '60s-'70s, we used to call them WASPS: White Anglo-Saxon Protestants. Now "evangelicals" is more appropriate than "Protestants,", but that would mess up the acronym.


BMW2020RT

(139 posts)
22. I disagree with Joshua Holland.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:10 AM
Aug 2022

I think DeSantis is using part of a Winston Churchill speech to the House of Commons as a template for his declaration.

The key portion highlighted:

I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our Island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone. At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty’s Government-every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation. The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength. Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.


July

(4,750 posts)
58. I had the same thought.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 06:39 PM
Aug 2022

Is he a plagiarist, or does he think he just happened to hew closely to Churchill’s wartime speech?

Is he counting on his followers’ ignorance of Churchill?

Not a good look, no matter what his reasons.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
23. Actually It's coded words for black people. Because we're the ones who came up with the term woke
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:11 AM
Aug 2022

And then they bastardized it

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
27. Nazis didn't like black folks either....
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:22 AM
Aug 2022

Thus the significance of Jesse Owens' magnificent performance in the 1936 Olympics in Nazi Germany.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
29. Actually the Jesse Owen story
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:30 AM
Aug 2022

Might not be completely accurate, Apparently it was the United States president that snubbed Jesse Owens. However they change the story to make it seem like Hitler was the one who snub Jessie Owens.

And they had Jesse Owens changed his story to align with their narrative. Remember America likes to pretend it's not a big racism country.

And frankly there's no need to replace the word woke with Jewish people, considering it was black people who came up with the terms so it's pretty obvious that it's black people that they are going after with their coded word

"A month after the Olympic Games, Owens told a crowd, “Hitler didn't snub me—it was [Roosevelt] who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram.” Roosevelt never publicly acknowledged Owens's triumphs—or the triumphs of any of the 18 African Americans who competed at the Berlin Olympics.

https://www.britannica.com › story

Was Jesse Owens snubbed by Adolf Hitler at the Berlin Olympics? - Encyclopedia Britannica

"

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
45. The Nazis patterned much of their racism on the US. Particularly the segregated south.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 11:20 AM
Aug 2022

and considered black folks in the same category as Jews, Slavs etc. Non-Aryans, thus sub human. My point was, Jesse Owens helped crush the Nazi idea of Aryan superiority.

The great irony of all this is we go to all this trouble to create imagined differences between people, when in reality, as a species, humans are a bit inbred. Certainly compared to our close cousins. Randomly choose 2 Chimpanzees and you'll find far more genetic diversity between them than 2 randomly chosen humans from anywhere on the globe.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
49. Yes, I was a little surprised to see the word refer to Jews alone.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 11:40 AM
Aug 2022

But, although, the expression started with black people, bigotry certainly didn't. My first impulse was that anything referring to any kind of diversity could be substituted for Jew in the OP and be just as real.

White. Black. Brown. Yellow. Red. Catholic. Protestant. Rohingya. Muhamasheen. x 50,000 other groups.

As for being snubbed by FDR, sigh. That was even though black voters were already joining the Democratic Party in increasing numbers to make it happen, and the New Deal, etc, couldn't have without their support. Perhaps if it was 1940 even the political balance would have tipped away from southern-conservative Democrats as the black Democratic bloc continued to grow. ?

As for bigotry of all kinds, remembering that FDR refused to stop even one train carrying Jews to the death camps, though begged by Jewish groups he'd once had good relationships with. American bombers flew over the crematoria at Auschwitz on their way elsewhere without dropping even one bomb. And of course the internment of Japanese Americans. Treatment of indigenous Americans. I'm sure I could look almost any non-white non-Christian minority up and find shameful stories.

Bad as it seems now, we've come so much farther. The reason for all the knuckledragging backlash, of course.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
52. We haven't come that far
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 12:13 PM
Aug 2022

Our judicial system, is still unfairly slanted to putting black men in prison
And now we have the school to prison pipeline where resource officers were supposed to be stopping I think school shootings, they're now using that program to feed children into the judicial system.

America hasn't gotten any better they've just gotten better at tucking their slaves away in prison so the rest of us can think oh we're doing so much better now.

Look at Florida the voters voted to allow people with felonies to vote overwhelmingly.. And what do Ronda Santos do, He threw a wrench in the plan saying that if you hadn't paid off your debt you couldn't vote but he didn't create any kind of website to help them find out what they still owe to the government.

And there's no easy way to figure it out however if you go and vote Ronda Santos will throw you in jail. I believe the Florida Supreme Court upheld this, it's very very very racist approach to keeping black people from voting.

Not to mention if you type in the words words,Innocent man finally set free. You will find that typically it's a black man that just spent 30 years in prison on trumped up flimsy charges. Funny how this country always seems to figure out how to accidentally put black men in prison but they can't seem to figure out how to get an actual criminal like Donald Trump and jail.

This country is so seeped and it's racism towards black people that when you're pointed out most people will accuse you of being non patriotic.

So yeah it's a little frustrating that they stole the word we were using only to describe Being educated about the truth of this country. And now they're trying to say that it somehow applies to Jewish people lose people in a derogatory way. I'm going to have to call bullshit on that. And I really wish people would stop trying to act like America isn't racist towards black people 1st in always.

Jewish people receive a reparation
Japanese people received a reparation
Descendants of slavery never did, but their Self appointed authoritarian owners did.🙄

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
57. Yes, and black people still have to take service elevators, aren't allowed
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 05:20 PM
Aug 2022

Last edited Sun Aug 21, 2022, 05:54 PM - Edit history (1)

to ride with white people in the others, WHEN they're allowed in a building at all. (Except as toilet scrubbers, of course.) Sarcasm.

Obviously, I don't agree with you. I believe we're in a very low era of the rise of mean people and meanness, and with them of rampant, overblown expression of resentment and negativism about everything. Including the racism that is both very real in some but that every problem from gravity to soggy bread is also currently being ascribed to. Because it's so inflammably divisive and indispensable to mean people.

This is far from our normal as a people. Any real observation of where we were and are should show that. I believe we can and will eventually recover an equanimity dominated by much more of the decency and acceptance, even embrace, of differences, that is common to more of us. That already brought us very far from the normals that societies of 100 years ago inherited from their parents, and continues to advance equality even in this dangerous era.

But for now, both "mean people" and meanness have become ascendant in effect, but not in numbers -- they are the normal of the RW authoritarianism that threatens to take over. High-octane antagonistic negativism is the fuel that propels them; but of all those blowing up and spreading racist angers, only one group could ultimately benefit as they intended. All the rest have everything to lose.

No to meanness and mean people. Yes to generosity and acceptance.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
24. When a guy with strong psychopathic tendencies....
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:11 AM
Aug 2022

coopts the schtick of a complete moron and fellow psychopath. Hell, who couldn't do it better than the complete moron?

Want to see a docu-prophecy of DeathSantis? Watch Martin Sheen's performance in the Dead Zone.

amb123

(1,581 posts)
32. Or the word "Democrats"
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:46 AM
Aug 2022

or any other disparaging words to describe blacks, LGBTQ+, Hispanics, Oriental people, Native Americans, unions, Catholics, Buddhists, atheists, etc.

Response to ItsjustMe (Original post)

mrsadm

(1,198 posts)
34. What is exactly woke ideology? and what is so bad about it?
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:52 AM
Aug 2022

Sorry but I'm just not figuring this one out.

I found on Fox news website,
"Merriam-Webster added the word to its dictionary in 2017, defining it as, "aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)." The Oxford dictionary adopted it the same year, defining it as "originally: well-informed, up-to-date. Now chiefly: alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice."

What is so bad here?

Initech

(100,080 posts)
53. I think "woke" means "anyone who doesn't watch Fox News.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 12:18 PM
Aug 2022

Because it is mostly people who watch Fox 24/7 who are the ones who use that word more than those who don’t.

Sympthsical

(9,074 posts)
35. Let's not co-opt the Holocaust for our partisan battles
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:53 AM
Aug 2022

Woke is an ideological term.

Jews were a race/ethnicity targeted for extermination.

These two things are not alike. It's a shallow, cheap comparison for Internet points.

So, Twitter basically.

Edit: If you want a more accurate comparison, try politicians who used communists or socialists for every ill in the world.

Orrex

(63,215 posts)
36. When you encounter the word on social media, ask them to define it
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 11:01 AM
Aug 2022

The people complaining about "woke culture" are the same ones who used to complain about "political correctness," which 99% of the time boils down to white people being mad that they can't use the n-word with impunity.

gulliver

(13,186 posts)
43. The window lets air out and in
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 11:18 AM
Aug 2022

I think the proper analogy is not to substitute "Jews" for "Woke" but "Judaism." If you do that, the sentence in the OP becomes, "The state of Florida is where 'Judaism' goes to die." That lets us compare "Woke" to religions like "Judaism," and that's an apt comparison. There's a good article in The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/social-justice-new-religion/671172/.

As I've said before, it's cracked for Dems to allow slimeballs like DeSantis to label us "Woke." There may be some "Woke" who consider themselves Dems when it comes to voting (and that's fine), but I doubt there is a significant percentage of Dems who consider themselves woke.

Dems need to stifle their compunctions about offending the people who like the word "Woke" and say, "Dems aren't woke. DeSantis should try facing Dems for a change, the party that's for reproductive freedom. If he's up to it that is..."

ecstatic

(32,707 posts)
50. The vitriol and hate that they are spewing is so dangerous.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 11:59 AM
Aug 2022

The people with the power to do something don't seem to understand the threat: The qgop are dehumanizing us and drilling that message in to their supporters on an hourly basis. And while many on our side are not fans of weapons, rethuglican fanatics are armed to the teeth.

When shit truly hits the fan, many Democrats and Independents will be able to blend in with qgop radicals and won't necessarily be in harm's way, but I really wish there was more consideration for those of us who are obvious targets based on color, who we love, where we live and/or where we worship.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
61. I'll take a few with me
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 01:03 AM
Aug 2022

Best believe I won't die without taking a couple to hell with me. I'm armed and will defend my life and my loved ones if shit does happen.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
51. Stoking hate is their platform.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 12:09 PM
Aug 2022

Caution: Feeding hate targets to heavily armed sociopaths and psychopaths may incite terrorism.

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