Garlands memo to the FBI.

[fightforfreedom]

Dear FBI, the documents you are looking for, the documents Trump illegally hid from us, are stamped in bold letters, Top Secret. Put these documents in a separate pile from the other documents, this will save time while the DOJ debates whether or not to charge Trump.

Our debate should be finished within 2 years, maybe. In the meantime, Trump and his fellow traitors will most likely leak the names and addresses of all the FBI agents involved in the search. You and your families should expect death threats, crazy people showing up at your house at all hours. Thank you for your service.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

1. Perpetual pessimism almost as bad as fascism!

[ShazzieB]

2. +1!

[Tetrachloride]

3. There's no math to say pessimism by Democrats is as bad as Trump or the GOP or past regimes

[fightforfreedom]

4. I am usually an optimist, I am now a pissed off optimist because of the stolen documents.

They should charge Trump now and stop fucking around with this fucking traitor. They have enough evidence to charge him now. You can gather more evidence after you charge him.

[Ohio Joe]

5. That is not how a proper DOJ works...

You don’t rely on digging up enough to convict after the arrest.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

7. Yes, so true! Or risk a malicious prosecution lawsuit!

[stopdiggin]

10. there is much about legal and law enforement process

that either isn't sinking in - or just doesn't matter in some quarters.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

35. It's the Twitter Effect! Judgment and satisfaction must be instant, legal mumbo jumbo be damned!

True justice does not move at the pace, or procedure, of Twitter! Weird, uh?

[Scrivener7]

12. Boxes upon boxes of top secret documents. In an unsecure basement room in his hotel.

His own words, publicly stated, that he did take them. Another truckload of boxes with top secret documents having been seized in June. His holding back this latest truckload of top secret documents when asked in June if he had returned everything.

What's to dig?

[Ohio Joe]

15. It's called due Diligence...

DOJ will verify and validate each document as well as it’s status and how it got where it was found before taking the next step. We’ve heard many things claimed in the media but really know little facts beyond the warrant right now. Because we know in general terms what they were looking for, we do not know the fact yet of what was recovered.

[Scrivener7]

16. I'm sorry, but this is just wrong. They confirmed the boxes are filled with documents with

the highest levels of sensitivity designation. Tfg has stated publicly that he took them in his attempts to justify the act.

That is a crime.

And if, having been told IN FEBRUARY that the documents were missing, the DOJ STILL doesn't know how these papers got to where they were found, then the DOJ has simply not been doing its job.

The very presence of those documents in a hotel basement next to the pool room already represents a complete failure of our country's security apparatus. One would think the DOJ would want to work quickly to rectify that.

[Ohio Joe]

19. Really?

Do you have a link to that DOJ statement? I’ve been very busy the last few weeks and may have missed it.

[Scrivener7]

20. What DOJ statement are you talking about, Joe? Do you mean the confirmation that the

documents were marked top secret? It was on the published property receipt.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-mar-lago-search-warrant-property-receipt-show-agents-found-trove-rcna42793

[Ohio Joe]

22. It does not show how they got there...

Or anything beyond how they were marked… The entire trail needs to be able to be proven in court. There are also constitutional issues that will need to be litigated… In the end tfg will go down but not if DOJ does not have it’s case ready for court and that it’s enough for you does not make it enough for court.

[Scrivener7]

24. Again, Joe. The Archives reported these most top secret documents missing to the DOJ

IN FEBRUARY. These most top secret documents that are lynchpins of our nation's security, or they would not have the designation they do. IF the DOJ, between FEBRUARY and now has not bothered or not been able to trace the journey of those most top secret documents, then the DOJ is a joke.

[Ohio Joe]

29. So... A whole six months...

Since the report and everything should be ready for court with a giant case… ok

[Scrivener7]

30. Oh, Lord. You forgot to say this isn't a Law & Order episode.

[fightforfreedom]

31. They already have enough evidence to charge Trump.

That is a fact.

[Ohio Joe]

32. Charge... Yes...

Convict? It appears not. Charging without the ability to convict is not what DOJ should be doing.

[stopdiggin]

8. part of your being P'd off

might have to do with a post (rant) that got burned to the ground recently - for basically having no idea of what it was saying.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17064567

Today we are being treated to (several) more versions of, "Garland doesn't know squat! And I'm really p*ssed off!"

Yeah, yeah - we know! Sigh.

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[Scrivener7]

13. Lol. Still. Equating pessimism and fascism is REALLY dopey.

[Cracklin Charlie]

6. I think Michael Cohen has the right take.

Trump was gonna use the documents to blackmail us.

He would use the documents as leverage to keep himself out of prison.

If that’s actually the case, DOJ busted his scheme by seizing the material from his beautiful home! And, maybe he hasn’t actually shown them to our enemies.

[Scrivener7]

9. Oh, please. All that stuff is compromised. All those assets are blown.

[stopdiggin]

11. evidence? or even solid foundation for supposition?

"All those assets are blown"

[Scrivener7]

14. Would you want to take the chance? Do you think anyone whose name is in those papers is going to?

Or is it that you do not understand the seriousness of a top secret designation?

[stopdiggin]

17. not what I said.

You asserted that "all those assets are blown." Do you have evidence that our security structure believes this, or is acting on that assumption?

Do you believe that this information has already made it into other hands? And do you (have reason to) believe that our security apparatus thinks so?

[Scrivener7]

18. Do you understand that documents that are only safely read in security pods inside

Federal buildings have been sitting in Donald Trump's basement? Do you understand that those documents represent the most secret and crucial aspects of our security structure?

Do you think anyone who is not a moron is going to feel that hoping and praying no one saw them will be a good response to that set of facts?

[stopdiggin]

23. you didn't answer my question

The security breach (potential) is a given, granted, and stomach turning. Do you have reason to believe that our security apparatus is acting on the assumption that breach has been exploited already? Are they scrambling to bring in assets as we speak in accordance with such a belief?

In fact - I do think there is probably a good bit of the 'hoping and praying' thing going on right now. Also bet there is some real sweat being expended right now to find out who and what might possibly ... But not necessarily assuming the worst has happened ... Do you know differently?

[Scrivener7]

25. I have answered your question. It doesn't matter if they or I think it has been exploited

already or not. They have no choice but to act as if it has. Nothing in those papers can be considered safe.

Do you think they are NOT scrambling to mitigate the damage?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

26. I hear what you're saying Scrivener7 and that is a huge concern,

now, hear me out, in the run up to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the US and Brits had the Russian Military, the FSB and Russian Govt functions penetrated, we had real time intelligence of what they were going to do and when they were going to invade, it was recently admitted that western intelligence knew all this because of our spies, so, to get to the point, I'm sure, as you point out, that due diligence is being followed to make sure that our assets aren't comprised by Benedict Donald's theft of these docs. by communicating with assets in Moscow.

[stopdiggin]

27. I think they will certainly be scrambling

to mitigate 'potential' damage - but those actions will not be the same as those taken if there were certain knowledge of exposure and exploitation. And that is the difference you and I see in this scenario.

If our security does in fact already know of real exposure (as we don't) - then that's really a different ballgame.

[Scrivener7]

28. Oh, dear. I see the edit you made to your last post. And I see that you DO think that

"hoping and praying" would be possible responses to this security breach. And this post pretty much reiterates that.

So I'll leave you here....

[stopdiggin]

34. yep. I don't think that security will act

as if there is certain knowledge - unless there is such knowledge. And, yes - I can quite imagine a lot of fingers crossed, and prayers uttered.

(but then, I hardly think this would be the first time such a stance was taken)

[Cracklin Charlie]

21. I definitely think they should treat it as such.

But, if he actually gave/sold information, it would then be worthless as leverage to keep him out of prison.

I think he only thinks of himself, and that’s why Cohen’s assertion of documents as leverage with the DOJ has merit.

[Scrivener7]

33. Just going to drop a link here to a thread from last week that I think is relevant.

BumRushDaShow posted this:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2957224
It's about how the FBI questioned Philbin and Patsy Boloney about the missing documents. There's a no paywall link in the post.

The most interesting part to me was the last paragraph:

The F.B.I. has reached out to about a half-dozen people who currently work for Mr. Trump and who might know what documents he may still have in his possession.

The FBI thinks there are STILL documents out there that haven't been returned. And tfg is STILL out there, walking around free, able to shill them to the highest bidder. Or he already has and that's why they weren't with the others.

This is a problem.

[BlackSkimmer]

36. A big problem.

And there it is.