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Pete Ross Junior

(404 posts)
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 06:17 PM Aug 2022

This woman is not just some random internet troll, she is a Republican gubernatorial nominee.

It's almost like they are playing can you top this with each other.

Michigan GOP Candidate Says Rape Victims Find 'Healing' Through Having Baby (Newsweek)

The Republican nominee for governor in Michigan has spoken of the "bond" between a mother and child when asked if an underage rape victim should be able to have an abortion.

Tudor Dixon, who won the GOP primary this month following the endorsement of ex-President Donald Trump, told Fox 2 Detroit that she was "pro-life with exceptions for life of the mother" when questioned about how her stance on terminations was being presented.

She said that campaign ads that portrayed her as not believing in the life of the mother were "not true" and that her view is that the "health of the mother and life of the mother are two different things."

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Dixon replied that she had spoken to people who were the children of rape victims and that "the bond that those two people made and the fact that out of that tragedy there was healing through that baby, it's something that we don't think about."

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This woman is not just some random internet troll, she is a Republican gubernatorial nominee. (Original Post) Pete Ross Junior Aug 2022 OP
'They' are utterly uncivilized. elleng Aug 2022 #1
Yeah, because it rarely happens Farmer-Rick Aug 2022 #2
Here are the actual numbers: StevieM Aug 2022 #6
Well, I think a rape victim mother Farmer-Rick Aug 2022 #7
I agree we should have support systems in place for these mothers. StevieM Aug 2022 #9
Tudor could celebrate someone like Brock Turner as her grandchild's parent. keithbvadu2 Aug 2022 #3
She's not too bright, is she? EnergizedLib Aug 2022 #4
It is just a really stupid thing to say. n/t EndlessWire Aug 2022 #5
They don't care. At all. Initech Aug 2022 #8

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
2. Yeah, because it rarely happens
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 06:35 PM
Aug 2022

A rape victim very rarely keeps the fetus or baby even if she is forced to birth it. Yeah, pretty little stories about the brave abused and traumatized girls sooooooo wanting their rapist's babies are just that, stories.

I imagine there maybe a few who can see past the fact that the fetus is caused by the man who abused her. But most women are traumatized and sickened by having to carry that fetus. Suicide by the mother is a real risk as a result of the trauma of forced birth of a rapist's fetus.

Abuse and neglect of the child is also a very likely outcome.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
6. Here are the actual numbers:
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 08:58 PM
Aug 2022

50 percent of rape victims who get pregnant have an abortion.
32 percent keep the baby.
12 percent have a miscarriage.
6 percent place the child for adoption.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8765248/

I see no evidence that a rape victim should be considered more likely to abuse or neglect her child.

No woman should be forced to go through with a pregnancy she doesn't want. Whether she was raped or not, a woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy. And a rape victim who does not wish to have an abortion should not have her ability, or desire, to parent her child brought into question.

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
7. Well, I think a rape victim mother
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:28 AM
Aug 2022

Does have severe problems down the road. And can often lead to bad parenting if she does not get help and support. The percentage of women who didn't know they were pregnant until their 2nd trimester in the study almost matches the percentage of women who kept their infants.

Assuming the mother will be perfectly fine and not providing support is destructive.

The 26 year old South Carolina study includes this:
"Only 11.7% of these victims received immediate medical attention after the assault, and 47.1% received no medical attention related to the rape. A total 32.4% of these victims did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester;"

Note the percentage of women who didn't discover they were pregnant until their 2nd trimester (Frequently the cut off fetal age allowable for abortions in restrictive Southern states.) is the same as the percentage of women who kept their infants.

"The trauma of rape is routinely associated with extreme acute distress. Such peri-event anxiety increases risk of developing psychopathology and substance use or abuse post-rape, with the degree of initial distress positively predicting future problems."

So backing off and assuming the traumatized rape victim, who didn't even know she was pregnant until past the abortion cut off date, is all fine and good is a recipe for disaster.

We should assume a rape victim will have problems parenting because then we can provide help and not just leave her to suffer.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
9. I agree we should have support systems in place for these mothers.
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 02:45 PM
Aug 2022

I am am all in favor of providing help.

What I also recognize is that birth mothers often suffer greatly after the loss of their child. That includes a child who was conceived in rape.

Women who don't find out that they are pregnant until their second trimester can still place their child for adoption if they want to. Most don't want to.

keithbvadu2

(36,828 posts)
3. Tudor could celebrate someone like Brock Turner as her grandchild's parent.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 07:57 PM
Aug 2022

Is that what Tudor would tell her daughters and female family members?

Tudor could celebrate someone like Brock Turner as her grandchild's parent.

Welcome him into her home.

Bond with him.

???

https://democraticunderground.com/10717735

EnergizedLib

(1,897 posts)
4. She's not too bright, is she?
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 08:25 PM
Aug 2022

She said that campaign ads that portrayed her as not believing in the life of the mother were "not true" and that her view is that the "health of the mother and life of the mother are two different things."

No. They don’t go hand-in-hand at all, like the first doesn’t directly impact the second.

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