From the beginning we all knew this was inevitable.

[fightforfreedom]

Before Trump was elected he was not qualified for any type of security clearance. When someone is elected president they automatically get a clearance. The security clearance for president is done through the election process. The people, the news media are supposed to disqualify any candidate who is not fit for president. The Trump voters failed to uphold their sacred duty as an American citizen. They knew Trump was unfit and they did not care.

I recently remembered warning some of my friends and family members when Trump was running for president he could not get a security clearance through the normal process. The Trump voters did not listen. They elected someone who was extraordinarily unqualified and a major threat to national security from day one.

While Trump was president he hired countless people, the worst among us, to positions that required a security clearance. Trump sabotaged the security clearance process. Remember Kushner? The damage to our national security is immeasurable.

From day one I have been saying the Trump voters would become infamous for all time. Their legacy is now set in stone. They are as guilty as Trump. They are also responsible for all the crimes, deaths. ruined lives, Trump has unleashed upon our country.

Fuck Trump and Fuck the Trump voters

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

1. The worst part is so many of them are still blind to their error.

[Wednesdays]

31. Not just "many," but MOST

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

49. I think a lot of the silent ones have turned.

We just don't hear their voices because they are filled with shame. Some, I believe, will vote Dem. Many will stay home. Either way is fine with me.

[lunatica]

67. Like him they do not care

We need to recognize that. Just like we had to with Trump.

[Emile]

2. Trump voters wanted someone who would

shake things up in Washington. They got their wish at our country expense.

[Grokenstein]

10. They also (claimed they) wanted someone to "run America like a business"

And nothing exemplifies US business practices like selling off any assets one can lay their hands on, with zero concern for the repercussions. That, and screwing everyone over and burning the place down on the way out.

But he hugged the flag with that contemptuous smirk on his face! How could anyone not trust him???2? /s

[llmart]

51. The ones I knew...

that said they voted for him, said it was exactly because he had no experience in government. They thought that was a great quality! I remember asking one of my acquaintances, someone who knew I had a 30-year career in human resources, "So would you hire someone to be one of your employees if they had zero experience?" She had no real answer for that except for the usual, "this is different" b.s.

[Beartracks]

69. Reminds me of "Who thinks I should fly the plane?"

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59097d0a019dfc3494ea39fd/master/w_1600,c_limit/170109_a20630.jpg

“These smug pilots have lost touch with regular passengers like us. Who thinks I should fly the plane?”

Artist: Will PcPhail
in the January 2, 2017 issue of The New Yorker

==================

[C_U_L8R]

3. Trump voters want to burn the country down

So they can gain. Fuck em.

[catbyte]

4. I still want to know what Jared sold to snag that $2B from the Saudis.

Because anyone who has two brain cells to rub together knows it wasn't because of his superior business acumen. He's a slum lord, not a titan in the hedge fund business.

[gab13by13]

6. Jared also profited off of the pandemic.

He and his wife are just as bad as daddy.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. Wonder if it was info related to

the UAE (and possibly including Qatar and Bahrain) as we know the Saudi-UAE rivalry/riff has gone on for some time - https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/02/the-saudi-arabia-uae-rift-that-froze-opec-is-a-sign-of-things-to-come.html

[catbyte]

27. That would be a bit awkward because Qatar bailed Jared out of his balloon payment

for his white elephant 666 Fifth Avenue property to the tune of $1.8B back in 2018. But it would not surprise me because he has no scruples. Nor does he have a conscience. Or a soul. Here's the timeline on that grift:

https://www.justsecurity.org/69094/timeline-on-jared-kushner-qatar-666-fifth-avenue-and-white-house-policy/

[BumRushDaShow]

33. "But it would not surprise me because he has no scruples"

That's the bottom line statement right there. It's the "no permanent friends and no permanent enemies" credos. They do what is expedient for the moment and keep it moving.

[Joinfortmill]

38. Payment for State Secrets, the little m*f*cker.

[OMGWTF]

55. I still think the Saudis got TS documents that were hidden in Ivana's casket at their BS golf

tournament. Why did it take TEN men to lift the cremated remains of an old woman? The timing is too weird. Dig up the grave to see if there is anything in there. https://politizoom.com/what-the-hell-is-in-ivanas-casket/

[gab13by13]

5. It wasn't just unwashed Magats who voted for Trump.

Domestic oligarchs are still funding the Magat party and they control the MSM. I was not surprised how the term search warrant morphed to raid.

The Magat party protects Trump because they believe doing so will keep them in power which makes the 2022 election the most important election in our nation's history.

[3Hotdogs]

7. You spelled maggot wrong.

[NJCher]

17. --

How can I put a in the subject line?

Re staying in power, how can they stay in power if he can’t run for President? Desatan has the charisma of a…maggot.

I just don’t see it. This is a cult of personality.

[TigressDem]

47. It will probably become acceptable from common usage spelling.

The implication is correct.

Maggots get their sustenance from shit and lay their eggs there.

MAGATS get their sustenance from an orange shit pile and lay their hopes and dreams there.


LITE began as a marketing misspelling for example.

Now we all understand that LITE beer has less calories.


I like the Urban Dictionary's take:

MAGAT - Urban Dictionary
https://www.urbandictionary.com › define › term=MAGAT

Literal acronym for "Make America Great Again Terrorist". "On January 6, a group of MAGATs invaded the U.S. capitol in an attempt to subvert the American Electoral Process....

[rubbersole]

25. The rigged tax system suits the oligarchs just fine.

Keeping the populace divided is the goal. The Biden agenda is financed by taxing the super wealthy. So far the system we have is still protecting the largest wealth concentration in the history of man. gab is correct - the 2022 election is it. Vote. And take 3 people who weren't going to vote with you.

[Joinfortmill]

39. Exactly. Wealth does not equate to intelligence or integrity, often the opposite.

[Justice matters.]

8. Mango Mussolini voters don't care.

Remember they brag about they'd rather be Russians than Democrats...

They even wear T-Shirts to show their true love of the Putin regime!

[Emile]

14. Maybe we could swap these two for Americans Brittney Griner and Paul Whelan. .

[NJCher]

18. Putin could

Definitely use some enthusiastic supporters about now.

[Emile]

23. LOL, well these two traitorous idiots would fill that void!

[TigressDem]

48. Ya know? Great sound bite. "Don't like Democracy? Move to Russia, they need you now."

IF they would truly be happier with tRump as their dictator, I am sure Putin could find a territory for Dump to rule and his people would be completely under his spell, under his rule of law, at his dictate.

What other punishment would ever suffice for Americans who betrayed our Democracy completely than to have them move to Russia as tRump's entourage?

Maybe their delusions would keep them warm.

Or they would freeze to death like people did when *ush II refused to sign energy assistance extension until people had already frozen to death.

IF THEY WANT THEIR DICTATOR, I say let them have him, just not here.

[Joinfortmill]

40. Give 'em a one way ticket.

[czarjak]

61. Old enough to know better too?

[myohmy2]

9. I...

...take it, if trump runs in 2024 you won't be voting for him?...

...well said, you've hit the nail on the head...

"They are as guilty as Trump."

...and they like it that way...insanity for the sake of insanity...

...they've destroyed parts of our politics and country and they're proud it...

...and this is what we're living with...

[gab13by13]

20. They want the US to become Somalia,

[Quakerfriend]

11. Decades of damage done... Shortly after TFG

came in to office, I met my sister for lunch and she said,
“Well, how bad could it really be…We all survived the Great Depression”.

I just looked at her and shook my head with disgust.

[thinkingagain]

12. You bring up a very good point

I wonder if they can make a law and a possibly constitutional amendment that says at least the president if also not your representatives and the supreme court justice have to pass not only a background check but A civics test like those that are trying to become Americans have to pass so they know the basics of the constitution etc and their backgrounds are good.

We have seen the results of those without all that and it ain’t pretty.

We all want smart with clean background doctors to treat us for example why not the same for those representing us.

[NJCher]

19. I like this idea

Mtg, boebert, gaetz…none of them would pass.

[Joinfortmill]

41. It would be a start. We need more Public News Media available - free.

[Rhiannon12866]

15. And half of those he chose to fill numerous positions were "acting" since they couldn't be confirmed

And they changed so often that it was tough to keep track. I remember that Rachel Maddow filled up her walls with the list of ever-changing names.

In Mary Trump's book, she described how various departments, most notably DOJ and State, were decimated during TFG's four years. DOJ, under Sessions, completely ignored the important Civil Rights division - and Justice was formed in 1870 to benefit Freedmen after the Civil War. Jeff Sessions had previously failed to be confirmed for a federal judgeship because of his known views on segregation.

And State likely suffered the worst, career employees resigned in record numbers and there were few applications, destroying necessary continuity for a generation. Another TFG legacy.

[Lonestarblue]

16. One thing Trump's time in office brought to light was just how shaky our institutions are.

Trump clearly demonstrated that in the wrong hands presidential power can be used for harm. The power to appoint corrupt officials to important government roles is just one example. In the past, Americans placed a great deal of trust in the president to follow the norms of conduct and the law while in office. Trump thoroughly betrayed that trust many times as he flouted the law and did whatever he wanted, including stealing government documents he should not have had in the first place.

Why on Earth would the CIA share information on its informants with a man known for inappropriately sharing classified information! And why was such information, once shared, even left in the White House so Trump could steal it?

The whole concept of a president’s power to declassify documents needs to be revisited. The current law seems to be that the president has the authority to declassify anything he wants, from nuclear weapons secrets and technology to the identities of intelligence assets in other countries, setting them up for execution. The US Constitution says nothing about a president’s power to declassify, so it is federal law that needs to set some limits because Trump will not be the last Republican president who sees himself as all powerful and puts his personal greed and wants above the safety of the country. Indeed, to run as a Republican today and win requires a level of corruption that we have not seen before.

[70sEraVet]

26. Also, the power to grant pardons needs some limits.

Unbelievable that a corrupt President can grant pardons to criminals who have committed a crime in which he is a co-conspirator in order to protect himself.

[Joinfortmill]

42. That should be challenged, at least on principle and for public awareness.

[Martin68]

21. Good point. Should a presidential candidate be required to pass a background check?

I don't see why not. Teachers have to pass one. Why shouldn't a candidate for president? Why stop at tax returns?

[Joinfortmill]

43. Yes and yes.

[Martin68]

53. I'm afraid it would require a Constitutional amendment. The party of bigotry, dark money,

voter suppression, election fraud, and an anti-government stance would never allow that to happen.

[underpants]

22. What's interesting to me is the number of experienced pros who had bells go off in their heads

The Steele dossier gets the attention but I’ve read that a lot of intel and security people immediately thought Uh Oh!

Trump had waaay too many connections to Russia (really any attachment to foreign nationals), he was very dependent on them for his businesses. He sold a lot of condos to people in the middle level of the oligarchs. His lawyer Michael Cohen was nicknamed “Tom Hagen” (The Godfather) because he was adopted into the Russian exile (many KGB) world at Brighton Beach. Rudy was fishing around the Ukraine for money as it was flowing there. Manafort alone geesh.

There were a lot of discussions from what I’ve read just spitballing if this guy and the people around him needed to be investigated or even just followed. The nominee of a major political party wasn’t even an arms length away from Russia which means Putin. Carter Paige was the big light under a lot of this fire. The CIA later said he was an asset but we never got more of an explanation on that. Was he a FBI/intel mole in the Trump campaign?

[Joinfortmill]

44. Excellent. So many questions, so few answers.

[Mr. Ected]

24. We have to systematically remove the devices that have been put into place that allow minority rule

There is no more than 35% of the population that is truly lost. Gone beyond repair. They've been with us forever, but with the changing of the times they've become more vociferous and divisive. But their loudness doesn't mean they have the numbers. They don't.

We need to shut down their little pity party and put them down like a rabid animal. They threaten our freedom, our democracy and our way of life. They are political vandals. They are political trolls. They stand for nothing but bringing you and me to our knees.

This shit gotta stop.

[TigressDem]

34. WE need to keep BIG money OUT. THEY drive all of this and use the loud and stupid as a screen.

So the Oligarchs blame programs that help people at the bottom, while stuffing their own pockets and refusing to pay taxes on it.





Here is a good visual, unfortunately it's a video, but if you go to the web page, it's stopped at a salient spot.

BOTTOM LINE as of 2019 statistics:

TOP 10% owned 76% of wealth - 12.9 Million Families have 1.22 Million or MORE a year


MIDDLE 40% owned 22% of the wealth - 51.5 Million Families have at least 122,000 but less then 1.22 Million

Bottom 50% owned 1% of the wealth - 64.3 Million Families are below 122,000 with 13.4 Million in debt serious enough to show a negative net worth.



https://www.stlouisfed.org/open-vault/2020/december/has-wealth-inequality-changed-over-time-key-statistics




VIDEO URL

[calimary]

58. Yep. Public financing of elections.

And outlaw dark money!

[TigressDem]

70. Right. Debates on NPR, and TV Ads must be fact checked BEFORE they get aired.

NO MORE CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE, bs.

People are People. Period.

[calimary]

71. THAT was beginning-of-the-end stuff. "Corporations are people."

It's quick and tidy, and nobody bothers to drill down for explanations or enlargements. Ruthlessly clever. Strategic.

They're constructs. Owned and operated by corrupt and greedy people.

Owned and operated by (and for the benefit of) corrupt and greedy people.




Dammit. And it STILL has to fit on a bumper sticker.

[TigressDem]

72. Yep

Gotta pull back Citizens United.

They have enough power. Being able to buy politicians is over reach.

[Joinfortmill]

45. Yup. Our job is to vote. And stand up to family/friends who adhere to this trash

[TigressDem]

28. Ironic. Looking at his PARDON list again. 2nd PARDON is for UNAUTHORIZED RETENTION OF DEFENSE INFO

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-donald-j-trump-2017-2021

NAME Kristian Mark Saucier
DISTRICT District of Connecticut
SENTENCED 12 months' imprisonment and three years' supervised release, conditioned upon six months' home confinement and the performance of 100 hours' community service (August 19, 2016)
OFFENSE
Unauthorized retention of defense information

[Joinfortmill]

46. What a group.

[TigressDem]

50. White Slave Trafficers, Arsonists, Murderers etc... AND A SPY HANDLER???

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-donald-j-trump-2017-2021


Racketeers

Mail Fraudsters

Cocaine Dealers

Fire Arms theft and attempt to ship to other states

Car thefts across state lines

Obstruction of justice and perjury

Tax evasion and fraud

Bank robbers

Securities Fraud

Health Care Fraud




ESPIONAGE!!!!!


Aviem Sella District of Columbia

Espionage - conspiracy to gather or deliver national defense information (two counts); violation of Subversive Activities Control Act - receiving or obtaining classified information by foreign agent.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/aviem-sella-who-recruited-israeli-spy-jonathan-pollard-granted-pardon-by-trump


As a favor to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamain Netanyahu and Trump mega-donor Miriam Adelson, the president pardoned Aviem Sella despite his key role in a major diplomatic crisis between the U.S. and Israel.

Sella, a 75-year-old former Israeli Air Force officer, was indicted on three counts of espionage in 1987 for recruiting Pollard, a U.S. Naval Intelligence analyst, and convincing him to hand over state secrets to Israel.

[TigressDem]

52. Every time I go back to this document, I get sick to my stomach.

So much is so mind blowing as to WHY release murders and car jackers?

I didn't see this last bombshell that I just noticed.


A SPY.


tRump pardoned spy handler by the request of the country who HAD US SPIED ON and a wealthy donor.


SO WHY WOULD tRump think there is anything wrong with selling US secrets to anyone?

[Ferrets are Cool]

29. TBH, even I didn't have "sell US secret documents" on my scratch off card.

In hindsight, it doesn't surprise me, but the only thing that would be surprising now would be if he actually did something humane.

[AllaN01Bear]

30. in my apartment complex , there was a woman warning about trump 4 years before .

[doc03]

32. Does the President have to get a

security clearance or just gets a pass once he is elected? How can anyone become President and have knowledge
of Top Secret information without a clearance? How can someone with no clearance have the power to declassify anything
he wants? In addition he had the power to give clearance to people that could not get one on their own.
That is a something that needs to be changed immediately.

[keithbvadu2]

35. Jared considered a security clearance to be a sales license for selling our country's secrets.

[Joinfortmill]

36. It is a harsh analysis, but I agree, especially for those who voted for him a second time. Shame!

[H2O Man]

37. Recommended.

Well said!

[liberalla]

54. Yep. I agree. This is not a surprise at all. It is however, extremely frustrating and maddening!

There is no joy in saying

"I told you so!"

It is completely horrifying on so many levels... and the way out is not clear at all.

[evolves]

56. All of them need the Mussolini treatment.

You know what I mean.

[Pepsidog]

57. Seriously, can you think of a worse person in America to have access to this information. Think of

any Republican in our history and is there a worse one? Benedict Arnold was a fierce General who risked he life in battle before he turned and became a traitor. Trump doesn’t have patriotic bone in his body and is full blown sociopathic, malignant narcissist who would sell his family for a buck. A man with not one redeeming quality was put in charge of the most powerful nation and was told he was immune from prosecution. Take the worse Bond Gillian and times him by a million and you have Trump.

[czarjak]

60. Not "elected" by ANY legitimate measure. Ask Vlad.

[liberal N proud]

62. It was everything we feared it would be

Right down to January 6th

[Skittles]

63. FUCK TRUMP VOTERS

THEY DISGRACED THEMSELVES AND AMERICA

[moondust]

64. Corruption gone wild.

"Profits over people" largely the legacy of Reagan and "greed is good." MAGAts clearly support anything TFG does, applaud his lawless behavior, and send him their money. One thing that was never a secret is that he has never served anybody but himself.

SCOTUS is already badly rigged and the court system, etc., may get worse as Leonard Leo and the Federalist Society just got a tax-free $1.65 billion donation.

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-barre-seid-conservative-donor-republican-causes-leonard-leo-2022-8?op=1

[Warpy]

65. Oh, I think there is plenty of blame to go around

Major media hung on his every word without challenging a single slogan or empty phrase, he had star quality, good for ratings.

Social media were awash in Russian trolls and bots and Fakebook was wide open to Cambridge Analytica. If you don't know who those scum sucking bottom feeders were or what they did, look them up.

Massive voting roll hacks had been found in Illinois, for one, and nothing was done to beef up security.

Talking heads who
hung on every stupid word from TFG did voice overs every time they showed Clinton speaking, so she was never heard.

Then we have James fucking Comey, who saw Clinton's name mentioned on a cell phone and breathlessly announced, 5 days before the election, that the investigation inot her email and text messages was wide open again.'

And finally, we have a full lineup of crooked evangelical preachers who swore to their sheep that TFG was god's anointed, and if they wanted to get into heaven, they had to vote for him. Never mind the hookers, the 3 wives, the wage theft, or any of the rest of it, their gawd works his wonders through flawed men.

I'm not blaming voters who were being led around by rings in their noses. I blame the evil fuckers who led them.

[Aussie105]

66. Trump could have been stopped in so many historical points.

1. TV star on The Apprentice - bloke is a sham, empty vessel that needs a script to work from.

2. Voters should have taken notice of his bad financial history, obvious lack of intelligence, and lack of political background.
And seen through his self promotion.

etc

But in the background was always the idea, that . . . . Well, let's see where this goes and what is in it for me. If it all goes wrong, we just hit the reset button on this Democratic Republic and no harm done.

Problem is, that 'reset' is going to take a lot of time and the efforts of Good People like Biden to make happen.

[Blue Owl]

68. K&R