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Washington post just reported.. (Original Post) Demovictory9 Aug 2022 OP
My hunch that the government found out from catching TFG or company about these document Claustrum Aug 2022 #1
Agree. I have been thinking this, too. wnylib Aug 2022 #20
What in the hell was he doing with this stuff, especially overseas? More and more I think that SWBTATTReg Aug 2022 #2
I Got To Think Many Of Our Allies That We Share Intelligence With Are Pretty Pissed Off..... global1 Aug 2022 #15
A price on his head? Possibly. He sure has wnylib Aug 2022 #22
Yrs ago, bush 2 renditioned "enemy combatants," to Syria and Egypt cus they childfreebychoice Aug 2022 #45
Imagine if this had happened in another country.... HipChick Aug 2022 #32
Perhaps you are right. Certainly Trump has gotten way too much deference. triron Aug 2022 #51
No, we're not laughing. luvtheGWN Aug 2022 #75
I don't think even our worst enemies would put out a contract on an ex US President Bucky Aug 2022 #93
I concur. Others know about it and pressure needs to be applied to compel them to come forward. Evolve Dammit Aug 2022 #27
More heads than just the orange one are going to roll. Sneederbunk Aug 2022 #3
... 2naSalit Aug 2022 #4
📔 underpants Aug 2022 #10
Hear, hear. Nt childfreebychoice Aug 2022 #46
Bingo. nt crickets Aug 2022 #12
K&R spanone Aug 2022 #5
Wow. That is a stunning revelation. sop Aug 2022 #6
"He was going to put them in his presidential library" per my family republican. patricia92243 Aug 2022 #69
Now now, let's not russia to judgement underpants Aug 2022 #7
Funny! rubbersole Aug 2022 #11
Indeed. That would be Putin the cart before the horse. LudwigPastorius Aug 2022 #13
(Applause) underpants Aug 2022 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author speak easy Aug 2022 #53
I've Red the news. He is Stalin for time. Don't Lenin get away with it. speak easy Aug 2022 #54
Ok, I dare you to add Khrushchev to the mix LOL n/t VWolf Aug 2022 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author speak easy Aug 2022 #71
His Khrushchev dim under the bus. speak easy Aug 2022 #72
A fine effort :) VWolf Aug 2022 #76
give up speak easy Aug 2022 #73
I want him to take a lo-o-o-ong Krushchev a short pier.. lastlib Aug 2022 #84
LudwigPastorius for the WIN!!! calimary Aug 2022 #79
.... msfiddlestix Aug 2022 #19
New nickname for tfg/ cab67 Aug 2022 #29
lol Good one! halobeam Aug 2022 #33
Sorry he maybe a... meadowlander Aug 2022 #57
This came out yesterday. I clicked on the "just reported" link thinking there was some new horror. Ms. Toad Aug 2022 #8
This was actually reported several days ago, and extensively covered here. But niyad Aug 2022 #9
But ... I missed it so I thank the OP. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2022 #16
That is why I put in the second sentence. niyad Aug 2022 #17
I missed it and most Americans probably missed it Demovictory9 Aug 2022 #52
With all things RTump... ultralite001 Aug 2022 #18
Or, as Nancy Pelosi said, wnylib Aug 2022 #25
And yet he walks among us a free man. Why? gldstwmn Aug 2022 #21
And he will still. BlackSkimmer Aug 2022 #23
You are right EmmaLee E Aug 2022 #35
I don't think so.. whathehell Aug 2022 #42
Because he was President at the time iemanja Aug 2022 #39
It makes you hope that there is a Deep State. Career Grownups who ...... mjvpi Aug 2022 #24
Inside Trump's war on the National Archives LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #26
So Trump was a "Traveling Salesman?" Martin68 Aug 2022 #28
That came to my mind, too! 70sEraVet Aug 2022 #49
Shopping trips. lpbk2713 Aug 2022 #30
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #31
WTF?????? Katinfl Aug 2022 #34
I'm wondering if they had any "fake" slightlv Aug 2022 #38
Have been wondering same. Nt childfreebychoice Aug 2022 #47
If anyone else had done this, they would already be behind bars. I am sick of this Doodley Aug 2022 #36
Trump rides to the fullest extent, rich white Republican male privilege DSandra Aug 2022 #80
While he was President iemanja Aug 2022 #37
is that normal? Skittles Aug 2022 #61
Not sure iemanja Aug 2022 #78
the man never did any real work Skittles Aug 2022 #86
How is it "not as bad?" kcr Aug 2022 #87
Not illegal. iemanja Aug 2022 #88
Not illegal, if that is true, does not equal not as bad kcr Aug 2022 #89
WaPo says he carried documents iemanja Aug 2022 #90
Right kcr Aug 2022 #91
THANK YOU Skittles Aug 2022 #96
Skittles, I can't imagine any situation where that would be normal. LuckyCharms Aug 2022 #95
Color me another one who's not only sick of it, slightlv Aug 2022 #40
Why is Rebl2 Aug 2022 #41
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #43
A spy and traitor that delivers! Literally! hadEnuf Aug 2022 #44
What happens when evil is not stopped... DSandra Aug 2022 #81
Trump is quickly becoming a cornered rat and he and his fanatics have nothing to lose hadEnuf Aug 2022 #82
There are probably more documents six feet under his first wife bonniebgood Aug 2022 #48
Yes it took MFM008 Aug 2022 #66
JFC GARLAND WTF Fullduplexxx Aug 2022 #50
Can't find this article or report dwayneb Aug 2022 #55
Found it dwayneb Aug 2022 #56
Excuse me, but why the fuck was he allowed to go anywhere or do anything ecstatic Aug 2022 #58
He couldn't have done this all on his own. LiberalFighter Aug 2022 #59
Twitter replies: Rhiannon12866 Aug 2022 #60
Drudge had the orange jumpsuit pic as headline yesterday Demovictory9 Aug 2022 #62
It could not get worse and then....It does RANDYWILDMAN Aug 2022 #63
Hmm... What happened RocRizzo55 Aug 2022 #64
When The Third Doctor Aug 2022 #65
If this is true, he should be convicted of treason. patricia92243 Aug 2022 #67
Is there any way to know if past presidents have taken papers with them? patricia92243 Aug 2022 #70
TRAITOR TRUMP secondwind Aug 2022 #74
Oh great! This will add another 21-months to the investigation. ..... nt Hotler Aug 2022 #77
Abysmal, but is it illegal? wryter2000 Aug 2022 #83
We need to check all his properties for more documents. Emile Aug 2022 #85
The full ugly quote from the article. Bucky Aug 2022 #92
One more quote: "NARA officials believe that there might still be more records missing" Bucky Aug 2022 #94

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
1. My hunch that the government found out from catching TFG or company about these document
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 02:07 PM
Aug 2022

while spying on foreign nationals, like how Flynn got caught, is more and more likely.

SWBTATTReg

(22,124 posts)
2. What in the hell was he doing with this stuff, especially overseas? More and more I think that
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 02:11 PM
Aug 2022

he was selling this stuff to our adversaries. He's so greedy, so vain that he was seeking any attention despite what it took to get any respect or attention paid to him. Well, now he's going to have all of the attention now, being that he's the most single worse case of espionage ever in the history of our Country. I only hope that perhaps, perhaps that some of the idiots surrounding him kept some of the stuff away from him. God I only hope so. If any of our informants were killed as a result of his traitorous actions, he should pay w/ the highest price too.

Traitor.

global1

(25,247 posts)
15. I Got To Think Many Of Our Allies That We Share Intelligence With Are Pretty Pissed Off.....
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 02:54 PM
Aug 2022

and worried about what Tr**p may have given up.

Does Tr**p have a price on his head because of this?

wnylib

(21,450 posts)
22. A price on his head? Possibly. He sure has
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 03:41 PM
Aug 2022

created enough enemies.

Our allies might want to deal with him. Also, if he can't deliver on some foreign promises now that he has been outed, some of his customers, or potential customers, might want to see him "go through some things."

OTOH, there is a risk of making him into a martyr for his followers in the US and abroad.

childfreebychoice

(476 posts)
45. Yrs ago, bush 2 renditioned "enemy combatants," to Syria and Egypt cus they
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 05:53 PM
Aug 2022

Had the "best torturers,"...I wouldn't be adverse to sending sending him to either country

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
32. Imagine if this had happened in another country....
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 04:15 PM
Aug 2022

and compromised the country like this...

He would not be out and about walking around

America has got to be a laughing stock right now..

Bucky

(54,013 posts)
93. I don't think even our worst enemies would put out a contract on an ex US President
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 04:37 PM
Aug 2022

I won't say they wouldn't fuck with him somehow, but an outright hit is too naked for world politics.

It'd be interesting if, since Trump is largely a function of Russian election meddling, other pro-Western countries were to start taking clandestine steps to ensure future Trumplets don't achieve the Republican nomination. Our unreliability as an ally would certainly justify Germany or France or South Korea protecting their interests by ensuring a sane & loyal politician ends up in the general election. If you were Poland or Rumania or Israel or Sweden, wouldn't you be nervous about Trump's remaining political viability event after he got busted trying to end democracy at Putin's behest?

sop

(10,177 posts)
6. Wow. That is a stunning revelation.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 02:16 PM
Aug 2022

The one thing Trump's defenders have yet to satisfactorily explain is what Donald Trump was doing with all the top secret documents at his golf resort in the first place. How will they rationalize this?

Response to underpants (Reply #14)

speak easy

(9,249 posts)
54. I've Red the news. He is Stalin for time. Don't Lenin get away with it.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 08:49 PM
Aug 2022

Would be more than I can Bear.

Response to VWolf (Reply #68)

lastlib

(23,226 posts)
84. I want him to take a lo-o-o-ong Krushchev a short pier..
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 02:11 PM
Aug 2022

Underpants should be czar-y for starting this.

niyad

(113,302 posts)
9. This was actually reported several days ago, and extensively covered here. But
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 02:20 PM
Aug 2022

needs repeating for greatest visibility.

ultralite001

(894 posts)
18. With all things RTump...
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 03:11 PM
Aug 2022

Follow the money...

If the RTumpster is selling out America, there are receipts...

The evidence is out there -- somewhere...

That is all...

mjvpi

(1,388 posts)
24. It makes you hope that there is a Deep State. Career Grownups who ......
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 03:44 PM
Aug 2022

….. from day one put country ahead of Trump and knew not to show him stuff. Or better yet, treated him as a Russian asset and let him feed bullshit to Putin.

Who’s going to play DA Willis in the movie of a trump Going Down?

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,231 posts)
26. Inside Trump's war on the National Archives
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 03:58 PM
Aug 2022

Law do not apply to TFG. TFG is above all laws and if TFG wants something, he will take/steal it



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/27/trump-archives-records-war/

Trump’s disdain and disregard for the presidential record-keeping system he was legally bound to adhere to is well-documented. And while advisers repeatedly warned him about needing to follow the Presidential Records Act early in his presidency, his chaotic handling of the documents prevailed.......

“Any documents that made it to the White House residence were these boxes Trump carried around with him,” explained Stephanie Grisham, a former senior White House staffer. “Usually the body man would have brought them upstairs for Trump or someone from the outer-Oval at the end of the day. They would get handed off to the residence and just disappear.”

Boxes of documents even came with Trump on foreign travel, following him to hotel rooms around the world — including countries considered foreign adversaries of the United States.

“There was no rhyme or reason — it was classified documents on top of newspapers on top of papers people printed out of things they wanted him to read. The boxes were never organized,” Grisham said. “He’d want to get work done on long trips so he’d just rummage through the boxes. That was our filing system.”

Trump has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing in refusing to turn over documents, at times suggesting that the records are his and should not be given back to the Archives.

Katinfl

(157 posts)
34. WTF??????
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 04:30 PM
Aug 2022

Was everyone just asleep on the job? Why is this all just coming out now? This cover-up has been going on for so long and so many people involved, I doubt we will ever get any definitive answers. I truly hope I am dead wrong.

slightlv

(2,795 posts)
38. I'm wondering if they had any "fake"
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 04:50 PM
Aug 2022

classified documents in there that could use to entrap Trump. Know what I mean? If it turned up in use in Russia or China or North Korea or somewhere, it would be an automatic trace-back to Trump. But I don't know if these guys do those kinds of setups. Seems like it'd be an easy enough kind of thing to do, tho...

Doodley

(9,089 posts)
36. If anyone else had done this, they would already be behind bars. I am sick of this
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 04:43 PM
Aug 2022

hate-filled monster getting away with his crimes and his continued gaslighting that is still tearing our nation apart.

DSandra

(999 posts)
80. Trump rides to the fullest extent, rich white Republican male privilege
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 11:48 AM
Aug 2022

Look at the stuff that Nixon, Reagan, and George W Bush got away with. Terrible examples to future candidates.

iemanja

(53,032 posts)
37. While he was President
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 04:49 PM
Aug 2022

This isn’t about the documents seized during the search.

Relying on twitter rumor for facts easily verified by reading the post yields misinformation.

iemanja

(53,032 posts)
78. Not sure
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 11:05 AM
Aug 2022

Probably not. But it's not as bad as if he were doing it with documents from Mar-a-Lago illegally in his possession, which is what the majority of people responding to this thread think it is. The tweet is deliberately misleading.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
86. the man never did any real work
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 03:50 PM
Aug 2022

the ONLY reason he would have docs on him would be for grifting purposes

and I disagree, IT *IS* AS BAD

kcr

(15,317 posts)
89. Not illegal, if that is true, does not equal not as bad
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 04:13 PM
Aug 2022

It doesn't matter when he sold the secrets in terms of how damaging they are. At any rate he stole them, so whether or not he began selling them before his presidency ended doesn't change anything.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
91. Right
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 04:18 PM
Aug 2022

But the mere fact he carried them around with him to other countries very much implies he's doing something with them he shouldn't. That is the whole point. It's possible he stopped doing that when he left office, but then why did he take the documents with him?

LuckyCharms

(17,426 posts)
95. Skittles, I can't imagine any situation where that would be normal.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 04:53 PM
Aug 2022

It sounds like some of those documents were at the highest possible classification.

Only a very few select people are even allowed to lay their eyes on them, let alone travel to another country with them.

Sounds like a lot of those documents should have been immediately returned to a SCIF upon being viewed by Trump.

The reason they were not probably is because there are several people in collaboration with him concerning whatever he did with these documents.



slightlv

(2,795 posts)
40. Color me another one who's not only sick of it,
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 04:58 PM
Aug 2022

but royally p'o'd about it, too. I did my time not only in the service, but also as DoD when I do out of the Air Force. 20 years DoD. I only had a Secret Clearance for most of my time, but I did go up to Top at one point. Regardless, it rankles that I lived my life on the up-and-up and worried each time I took that E-Quip that my memory had failed me on something or they'd dig something up I'd completely blown off as unimportant in my life, or they'd take exception to the fact I was Pagan.

I just updated my resume a little bit ago. I'm thinking it might not be bad to work from home doing some clerical work or web work, if I can find something legit. Ran into one of the old security briefings. Wondered as I scanned it if Trump had to sit through that briefing and if he stayed off his phone long enough to listen to any of it! Just mad me madder than hops that he's slapped all of us in the face who did our time honorably in service to our country and our fellow Americans. I'd really like to have the pleasure of slapping him back!

hadEnuf

(2,190 posts)
44. A spy and traitor that delivers! Literally!
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 05:40 PM
Aug 2022

The entire MAGAT / Republican party needs to be completely disabled or destroyed and the traitors punished to the full extent of the law. No second guessing. No hand wringing. No remorse. Put them out of business.

It's obvious that Trump thinks WE ARE ALL suckers and losers, especially his moron supporters, and he doesn't give a rat's ass about this country whatsoever. He is clearly evil and insane and a clear and present danger to national security.

hadEnuf

(2,190 posts)
82. Trump is quickly becoming a cornered rat and he and his fanatics have nothing to lose
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 12:08 PM
Aug 2022

and everything to gain if they win out. They will go for broke.

We need to knock them down and make sure they stay down. These are potentially very dangerous times.

ecstatic

(32,704 posts)
58. Excuse me, but why the fuck was he allowed to go anywhere or do anything
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 09:00 PM
Aug 2022

while all the documents were God knows where? Does anyone think President Obama would have gotten away with any of this?

LiberalFighter

(50,927 posts)
59. He couldn't have done this all on his own.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:22 PM
Aug 2022

They need to go down.

If any involve with allies should be sent there so they can suffer.

 

RocRizzo55

(980 posts)
64. Hmm... What happened
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 02:59 AM
Aug 2022

To the last people who sold secrets to our "enemies?" I think it was in 1951 or maybe 53. Shouldn't tfg suffer similar consequences?

The Third Doctor

(241 posts)
65. When
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 06:07 AM
Aug 2022

Trump, believed Putin over pur own intelligence people. In front of the entire planet that was a red sign.

patricia92243

(12,595 posts)
70. Is there any way to know if past presidents have taken papers with them?
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:48 AM
Aug 2022

I know Trump's answer will be that this is standard procedure.

Bucky

(54,013 posts)
92. The full ugly quote from the article.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 04:28 PM
Aug 2022

Keep in mind this was his behavior while he was president. I still don't know if he's left the country in the last 20 months since exiting the White House

“Any documents that made it to the White House residence were these boxes Trump carried around with him,” explained Stephanie Grisham, a former senior White House staffer. “Usually the body man would have brought them upstairs for Trump or someone from the outer-Oval at the end of the day. They would get handed off to the residence and just disappear.”

Boxes of documents even came with Trump on foreign travel, following him to hotel rooms around the world — including countries considered foreign adversaries of the United States.

“There was no rhyme or reason — it was classified documents on top of newspapers on top of papers people printed out of things they wanted him to read. The boxes were never organized,” Grisham said. “He’d want to get work done on long trips so he’d just rummage through the boxes. That was our filing system.”

Bucky

(54,013 posts)
94. One more quote: "NARA officials believe that there might still be more records missing"
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 04:41 PM
Aug 2022

Strap in, B's & G's, this rodeo ain't over

But the Archive’s work may not yet be done: Some NARA officials believe that there might still be more records missing, according to a person familiar with the matter.
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