The propaganda is the problem.

[Initech]

Look as much as all of us here want to see Trump go down for potentially committing treason, we need to have an honest conversation here. We're not going to get anywhere or see real progress being made in this country until we have an active and honest discussion about the damage that the conservative propaganda and echo chamber is doing to this country. Now you might say "Oh but if we go there, we're policing free speech!!!".

I got news for ya - thanks to the conservative echo chamber, they're banning books. They're attempting to police free thought because of "wokeness" - a term coined by a batshit crazy news network that is out for one party domination. Don't believe me? Just look at what's being done to drag shows right now. Hell, Trump even floated the idea of bringing back concentration camps. Thanks to the conservative echo chamber, we have school board members hanging out with terrorist groups like the Proud Boys and flashing white power signs. Even Nazism is fashionable again. Look, the conservative echo chamber is taking the US on a path towards genocide and apartheid - something we didn't think was possible even 10 years ago. And those of you who are saying "It can't happen here!", oh yes it can. And it's being enabled 24 hours a day.

Conservatives don't know what they want. They're being constantly fed lies from Fox News, AM radio, megachurches and internet sources like Lindell TV and Infowars. When you're fed lies that long, you start hearing and seeing and believing whatever they tell you. Which is why conservatives think that a Hungarian Nazi (yes, he really is a Nazi) is a model role model for how future conservative leaders should behave. That's scary as hell.

Here's the thing - every abuser has their enablers. Trump is an abusive, psychopathic, insane man. So are his underlings and yes men Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott. But like all abusers, Trump definitely has his enablers. And his enablers are the echo chamber. His enablers are Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Mike Lindell, Alex Jones, every mega church pastor in the country. OAN. Newsmax. Tons of right, far right, and super far right podcasts. Pick your flavor - they're all out there. They convince their flock day in and day out what their boy is doing is right, and anyone who attempts to come after them is an anti-American socialist nutjob.

But the direction that the conservative echo chamber is taking this country in is dangerous. Election denial is a powerful drug and we may be seeing a lot of it. We may be in uncharted in 2024 if DeSantis or Trump refuse to concede. Which is why we need to have a frank and honest discussion about the conservative echo chamber. And you know why it's called an echo chamber? Because every talk show out there has literally the same guests. And they repeat the lies until people eventually start believing them.

The conservative echo chamber is killing the planet and turning people against each other. It enabled Trump and his abusers to inflict even further damage than one may realize. Hell personally I've lost friends and relatives to this bullshit. It makes it so people can't have a civilized discussion with each other. It makes it so people can't lose an election gracefully, everything has to be a conspiracy now. But if conservatives are going there, we need to call them out and who's enabling them. We need to do something about it, and we need to now. Because tomorrow may be too late.

[Elessar Zappa]

1. The only thing we can do about it

is match speech with speech. The first amendment protects propaganda so it will always be there to contend with.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

2. Election denial is indeed a drug, one can never ever lose! Who wouldn't want to inject that stuff?

Somehow the power of propaganda has convinced a third of voters, also see Brazil, to mainline the love potion!

[Timeflyer]

3. "If DeSatan refuses to concede...?" No sleep 'til November--thanks a lot, Initech

Dems in Florida already greet each other with a hushed, anxious, "what do you think is gonna happen?" re: the November elections. We're desperately seeking reassurance that this state won't continue its journey to complete Rethug septic tank.

[Initech]

4. Oh don't think it wouldn't happen!

After January 6th and Trump stealing nuclear secrets and secrets about America's covert ops around the world, nothing is off the table for these scumbags!

[Timeflyer]

5. I know it's very probable--our school board was taken over by Rethug Proud Boy sympathizers--

[Initech]

7. Mine was too.

I think I've spoken about this MAGA loser who got elected to my local school board that we can't get rid of - this woman is certifiably insane and a total menace. And she was at the insurrection. And there was a recall attempt against her, but it failed and we're stuck with her. And guess what? That school board has been banning books like To Kill A Mockingbird because of fucking stupid Critical Race Theory bullshit. It's madness. Fox is destroying us and we need to fight back against it.

[Xoan]

6. Unless there's major blowback at the polls in Nov ...

[jalan48]

8. I remember the first time I heard Rush Limbaugh on the radio in the early 90's.

I couldn't believe he was given air time to spout his propaganda. It was all about attacking the left, no real debate just hate.

[inthewind21]

9. We can blame

Conservative news propaganda all we want. Or any propaganda for that matter. There's tons propaganda for just about everything these days. But that ignores the actual problem. The large swath of the citizenry that laps it up without so much as a thought. There has been propaganda forever. It's up those receiving to use half a brain cell and analyze. And unfortunately, well, here we are.

[Initech]

10. True, Bill Maher brought that point up a while ago.

Yeah we can blame Alex Jones for shit all we want, but what about the people who consume Infowars content? I mean what kind of depraved mind do you have to be to listen to someone like Alex Jones?