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So, what's everyone think. Is Judge Cannon incompetent or corrupt enough.... (Original Post) Thomas Hurt Aug 2022 OP
Corrupt enough. Hate to admit being on the wrong side. nt Samrob Aug 2022 #1
With the judicial leniency Judge Cannon has shown,.... magicarpet Aug 2022 #2
I think she might be tempted but two things might cause her to deny the motion for a Special Master. Raven Aug 2022 #3
Neal Katyal was saying that if the judge appoints a special master BootinUp Aug 2022 #4
And then, it is a complete crap shoot Bettie Aug 2022 #6
For me its not entirely clear BootinUp Aug 2022 #7
It isn't a done deal Bettie Aug 2022 #9
It's also not clear that they care anything about the country/constitution. lark Sep 2022 #27
Isn't it the Fasc. 6 now? nt Carlitos Brigante Aug 2022 #19
You're right Bettie Sep 2022 #25
I have especial disdain for him. Because unlike the other 5 lunatics. At times Carlitos Brigante Sep 2022 #26
SCOTUS will play a big role in ANY prosecution of Trump. WarGamer Aug 2022 #8
The fact that she was appointed by TFG does not mean she is either. Ocelot II Aug 2022 #5
So, she wasn't one of the completely Bettie Aug 2022 #11
Probably. The very fact she didn't shut it down immediately is a bad sign. It should never have RockRaven Aug 2022 #10
That's not how it works. When a party makes a motion for some kind of result or relief, Ocelot II Aug 2022 #12
Good points! BootinUp Aug 2022 #15
The court is not obligated to evaluate the merits of motions when they are in the wrong venue. RockRaven Aug 2022 #18
Venue means the *district* where a case is heard. Both Cannon and Reinhart Ocelot II Aug 2022 #20
The perils of using words with term-of-art and vernacular meanings. Substitute "setting" or RockRaven Aug 2022 #21
Ding ding ding! onenote Aug 2022 #22
Yup. DOJ didn't object to Cannon hearing the motion, and they would have done Ocelot II Aug 2022 #23
Exactly. onenote Aug 2022 #24
K&R UTUSN Aug 2022 #13
Don't rule out both incompetent and crooked. MLAA Aug 2022 #14
Don't assume it, either. Ocelot II Aug 2022 #16
It was pointed out in another thread that if this judge hadn't set this motion on for hearing Ocelot II Aug 2022 #17

magicarpet

(13,793 posts)
2. With the judicial leniency Judge Cannon has shown,....
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 10:22 PM
Aug 2022


.... trDUMP and his attorneys - I am amazed McConnell did not place Cannon on the Supreme Court.

Cannon could move mountains for trDUMP on the high court - each and every ruling in trDUMP's favor.

Raven

(13,854 posts)
3. I think she might be tempted but two things might cause her to deny the motion for a Special Master.
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 10:22 PM
Aug 2022

One is that there is absolutely no law on Trump's side and the other is the very real damage to this nation's security that would be done by allowing the Motion.

BootinUp

(46,619 posts)
4. Neal Katyal was saying that if the judge appoints a special master
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 10:25 PM
Aug 2022

he thinks the Solicitor General will immediately file in the Supreme Court to block.

BootinUp

(46,619 posts)
7. For me its not entirely clear
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 10:30 PM
Aug 2022

that the SC is ready to jeopardize national security for the orange menace.

Bettie

(15,896 posts)
9. It isn't a done deal
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 10:35 PM
Aug 2022

because it doesn't actively harm people that Alito or Thomas hate, but I have zero trust in the court these days.

lark

(22,828 posts)
27. It's also not clear that they care anything about the country/constitution.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 10:13 AM
Sep 2022

They care about promoting Chrstofascism and not much else.

Carlitos Brigante

(26,471 posts)
26. I have especial disdain for him. Because unlike the other 5 lunatics. At times
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 07:43 AM
Sep 2022

he appears to know better. But still manages to do the wrong thing. With one or two exceptions. These aren't judges. They're politicians.

WarGamer

(11,744 posts)
8. SCOTUS will play a big role in ANY prosecution of Trump.
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 10:31 PM
Aug 2022

SM is appointed, DoJ takes it to SCOTUS... Trump's SCOTUS.

SM request denied, Trump takes it to SCOTUS.

Trump indicted, Trump challenges the indictment arguing that no law was broken because he was POTUS at the time thus couldn't break the law. Silly argument of course... but it'll get pushed to SCOTUS.

This is the first time in US history this has happened... SCOTUS will certainly take the cases to set precedent.

Ocelot II

(114,632 posts)
5. The fact that she was appointed by TFG does not mean she is either.
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 10:26 PM
Aug 2022

Many of the judges who ruled against him in his 60+ unsuccessful election cases were his appointees. His Supreme Court appointees also threw out his election challenges. The thing about lifetime appointments for federal judges, as problematic as that can be, means judges are not beholden to the president who appointed them. Her resume indicates she has quite a bit of experience in federal criminal procedure, and I don't expect her to jump the rails in this case. https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Cannon%20SJQ%20-%20PUBLIC.pdf

RockRaven

(14,626 posts)
10. Probably. The very fact she didn't shut it down immediately is a bad sign. It should never have
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 10:35 PM
Aug 2022

appeared before her in the first place, and she is entertaining arguments which she ought not even be listening to.

She also might be corrupt enough to do it, yet still not do it. It's possible it doesn't serve her interests to back him now, whereas in the abstract she would back him if it just so happened to serve her interests.

Ocelot II

(114,632 posts)
12. That's not how it works. When a party makes a motion for some kind of result or relief,
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 10:43 PM
Aug 2022

even if it's of dubious merit, they are entitled to a hearing, and the party opposing the motion also gets to be heard. That's basic due process, and no judge would have denied the motion without any hearing. What this judge actually did was open the door wide open for the DOJ to present its position, and she even allowed them to submit a memorandum twice as long as the local rule's normal page limit. Then she gave TFG's lawyers less than a full day to respond to an overwhelming argument, and they completely failed to address most of DOJ's points. But the proper procedures are being followed.

RockRaven

(14,626 posts)
18. The court is not obligated to evaluate the merits of motions when they are in the wrong venue.
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 11:01 PM
Aug 2022

Despite TFG's lawyers false claims to the contrary, they could have sought the same relief from Judge Reinhart -- and she could (and should) have decided that his court, not hers, was the appropriate venue. She did not.

Ocelot II

(114,632 posts)
20. Venue means the *district* where a case is heard. Both Cannon and Reinhart
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 11:12 PM
Aug 2022

are based in the Southern District of Florida. There are eight courthouses within that district: four in Miami and one each in Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Fort Pierce and Key West. Reinhart is in West Palm Beach and Cannon is in Fort Pierce, but the venue is the Southern District of Florida, regardless of which judge hears the case or which courthouse it's heard in. The DOJ's memo did not object to the venue because the venue was the same.

RockRaven

(14,626 posts)
21. The perils of using words with term-of-art and vernacular meanings. Substitute "setting" or
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 11:21 PM
Aug 2022

any other synonym you like.

Am I wrong that she could have decided the matter belonged in from of Reinhart instead of herself without evaluating the merits?

onenote

(42,071 posts)
22. Ding ding ding!
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 11:24 PM
Aug 2022

Over and over the armchair lawyers on DU claim that Trump's complaint/motion should not have been assigned to Cannon and/or shouldn't even have been filed in the Southern District of Florida, but none of them can explain why DOJ didn't seek a change of venue or object to the assignment of the case to Cannon. There is no question that if those arguments had any merit, DOJ would have raised them. That DOJ didn't tells you everything you need to know

Ocelot II

(114,632 posts)
23. Yup. DOJ didn't object to Cannon hearing the motion, and they would have done
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 11:30 PM
Aug 2022

if there was any basis for it. I'm guessing TFG's lawyers filed in Fort Pierce because they wanted to get away from Reinhart, but judges are assigned randomly so they couldn't have counted on getting any particular one anyhow. IMO DOJ's position is so strong that it doesn't matter who the judge is.

Ocelot II

(114,632 posts)
17. It was pointed out in another thread that if this judge hadn't set this motion on for hearing
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 10:55 PM
Aug 2022

and allowed the DOJ to file a 37-page memorandum, the world would never have seen this:



And that photo could be a game-changer.

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